Taking the Adjective ‘Venerable’ Out of the Descriptors of Tenth Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia. More on Liam Goligher and Carroll Wynne.

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“To be a minister means above all to become powerless, or in more precise terms, to speak with our powerlessness to the condition of powerlessness which is so keenly felt but so seldom expressed by the people of our age.” Henri Nouwen


Special thanks to Anglican Watch. You sure know how to find “stuff.”


The past posts on Tenth Presbyterian Chuch.

My! How a few years have changed the view and adjectives of Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia. On New Year’s Eve of 2018, I wrote What In the World is Going On With the Lawsuit at 10th Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia. I wrote about Phil Snyder’s excommunication for simply asking some difficult questions about the abuse of young men by the music minister and the alleged rape of a young woman by a pastor. Snyder didn’t take it lying down and began a protest in front of the church. He also sued Liam Goligher, and so it went. The church then threatened to sue him for libel. Liam Goligher was behind this effort, and his “tiptoe through the tulips” partner, Susan Elzey, allegedly assisted.

Hoo boy, did I get in trouble for that post. TWW was inundated with messages that Snyder was nuts, and I was accused of being a third-rate journalist. I always agree with the journalism part. I would categorize myself as a nag dedicated to bringing to light abuse in the church and doing something about it.

Then, in December of 2023, I wrote (Update) What in the World Happened to Pastor Liam Goligher, Pastor Carroll Wynne, and Others at Tenth Presbyterian Church? My friend at Anglican Watch had found evidence that Liam Goligher and his good buddy and deaconess, Susan Elzey, were convicted of having some sexual encounter in a public park. Yikes!

At the same time, GRACE investigated the church and found further evidence of hinky behavior. Here is a link to that GRACE report hosted on the Anglican Watch site. From my post:

Carroll Wynne was the Associate Minister for Pastoral Care. He was also supposed to be the pastoral liaison with the GRACE team. Unfortunately, he was investigated, and things didn’t go well. GRACE asked for him to be removed from that position and would recommend that he no longer be a pastor.

What are some of his actions that caused this to be written?

The section on Wynne begins on page 44. He slapped the buttocks of students, was accused of having porn on his computer during a church event, placed his hand on the shoulder of a mother to subdue her and who told him to remove his hand, and he did not report an instance of child porn (which is abuse) when it was said to him.

GRACE not only had him removed as Tenth’s liaison to them but suggested some church disciplinary measure, which, in his case, was a firm “See ya later.”

There were others mentioned as potential problems in the report.

Then there were the others…Read the report:

Carl Staico
Royson Duvin
Lucas Saenz
Pat Canavan
Unnamed Offenders 1 and 2.
Bruce Garner
I saved Garner’s name for the end. Carroll Wynne wrote a letter to the judge and asked for leniency for Garner, which can be seen on page 21. This demonstrates that Wynne had no understanding, or even worse, understood but defended an abuser. This hurt the victims who testified. Who were the elders/trustees who observed all this and pretended all was well?

Finally, I wrote on December 10, 2023 (Update) Liam Goligher Resigns! Guess Those “Personal Conduct Citations” Were Spot on. I was personally relieved regarding this because Goligher paparazzi were claiming that the encounter in the park was merely a mistaken understanding of what was going on,

This just in. Liam Goligher, Pastor of Philadelphia’s Historic Tenth Presbyterian Church, Resigns. “Liam Goligher gone nine years after pleading guilty to “personal conduct” charges in Lancaster PA city park.” According to Ministry Watch:

The administrator of Tenth Presbyterian Church, Jim Hess, provided the following statement to MinistryWatch:

Dr. Liam Goligher resigned as Senior Minister of Tenth Presbyterian Church on Friday, December 1, 2023. This has been difficult news for the Tenth community. The formal dissolution of the pastoral relationship will be conducted according to the polity of the Presbyterian Church in America. Tenth Church has no further information regarding the 2014 citations of Dr. Goligher and Susan Elzey other than what is publicly available. Our denomination also has a process for addressing questions which the citations could raise. Concerns related to Dr. Goligher will be referred to the Philadelphia Presbytery and those pertaining to Susan Elzey to Tenth’s Session.

Susan Elzey’s name is blanked out on Tenth’s website.

This is just a short post to say the following:

  • There is no difference between a citation and an arrest in the eye of the church. This citation is given for sexual activity not singing hymns too loudly in a city park. It’s time to accept that Goligher did not love his church enough to tell them the truth yet demanded such transparency from others.
  • It is also probable that Goligher pursues risky behavior. Few people would choose to break their wedding vows by having sex in a city park.

Fast forward to May 2024.

Carroll Wynne decides to resign from the church.

He sure hung on despite a myriad of allegations in the GRACE report. It must have been the benefits. Anglican watch posted Update: Alleged child sex abuser Carroll Wynne resigns from Tenth Presbyterian.

The GRACE report identifies a slew of ugly allegations against Carroll Wynne, including:

Sexual abuse of minors.
Keeping pornography on church computers.
Inappropriate and sexualized comments.
Failing to report the distribution of child pornography among church members.
Assault and battery.
Spiritual and relational abuse.

Anglican Watch (AW) points out an additional issue with Wynne. Did he run interference for a pedophile within Tenth Presby?

One particularly troubling incident cited in the GRACE report was Carroll Wynne’s effort to run interference for convicted pedophile and Tenth member George Garner. In his letter, visible on page 21 of the GRACE report, Carroll Wynne told the court:

During the last three years I have known Bruce Garner as one of his pastors and fellow elder at our church. As he was taking up duties as a leader, we would meet from time to time to share about specific concerns in our fellowship and how we may pray, alleviate financial stresses, and be present with them in their spiritual struggles. Bruce has a compassionate heart and is knowledgeable of the Bible. It is why this contradiction in his behavior is so difficult to understand.

Due to his age and weakened health, I would plead for mercy from the court in his sentencing. His shame and guilt weigh heavily upon him and his family, who have stood beside him as do we as church fellowship.

Yet the GRACE report reveals that Carroll Wynne scarcely knew Garner.

Yikes! Then, he attempted to “rehabilitate” Garner so he could return to church after his release.

Even worse, Tenth, at least at the time of the GRACE report, was attempting to rehabilitate Garner, with an apparent goal of allowing him to return to the church once his incarceration is over. And Garner has permission to worship at another area PCA church, thus putting youth at that church at heightened risk of abuse.

AW sounded a bit like Dee when they said:

PCA, what on this green earth are you thinking? Have you lost your minds?

AW included his resignation letter.

AW asks:

Why is Carroll Wynne still around? The findings of child sexual abuse in the GRACE report warranted that he be immediately banned from church property and referred to law enforcement.

I would love to hear this excuse from one of the elders.

AW has some advice for parents:

In other words, corruption at Tenth has gone on far too long. It is time to clean house, remove corrupt persons, repent, and make restitution. Part of that is reporting abuse to law enforcement.

Until these things happen, Tenth is NOT “Exalting His Name, Proclaiming His Word,” as falsely claimed on its website. And we urge parents NOT to bring their children to a church that covers-up child sexual abuse and refuses to fulfill its legal obligations as a mandated reporter.

Why is Liam Goligher finally getting the boot from the Philly Presbytery (PCA?)

Remember that old saw: “You can’t fire me; I quit?” AW posted Adulterous perjurer Liam Goligher suspended by PCA’s Philadelphia Presbytery. This was written on May 25, 2024. But the dude quit in December 2023.

The Presbytery called him contumacious, a great word that, in PCA terminology, appears to mean “a refusal to repent” or a “refusal to cooperate with lawful proceedings.” I take this to mean that Liam Goligher said “adios” in December and then refused to cooperate with the Presbytery getting their two cents in on the matter. The following is from a statement found at AW.

The accused objectively hindered the proceedings of this court, and acted against the peace, unity and purity of the Church, and the honor and majesty of the Lord Jesus Christ, as the King and Head thereof.

Because of TE Goligher’s refusal to comply with the lawful proceedings of this court in defiance of BCO 32-6b, these proceedings are hindered and continuing without due repentance from TE Goligher for his contumacy poses a serious risk to the wellbeing of witnesses and victims named in these proceedings.

In accord with BCO 34-4, TE Liam Goligher is:

  • “Immediately suspended from the sacraments and his office for his contumacy.”

This censure:

  • “Shall be made public.”
  • “Shall in no case be removed until the offender has not only repented of his contumacy, but has also given satisfaction in relation to the charges against him.”

Almighty God, we humbly ask that you would follow this act of discipline with your blessing.

Executed this day, May 20, 2024

Apparently, this is a slap upside the head. If he doesn’t cooperate, they will excommunicate him. The wheels of the Presbytery sure roll slowly. It would seem to me that at this point, Goligher doesn’t care a whit about Philly Presby’s threats.

At times like these, I would love to get a drink with Goligher and ask how a lifetime of toeing the PCA line ends on a note like this. He has preached repentance, but he doesn’t appear repentant. So I want to hear from some of you what you think is happening in his head.

And from the legal front comes a quiz:

What is wrong with this statement from a lawyer who wrote a note to AW? Why did AW write the last two lines?

Earlier, an attorney for Goligher untruthfully claimed our discovery that he had engaged in sex in a public park with parishioner Susan Elzey was false, defamatory, and, laughably, “solacious.”

We can assure all involved that our assertions are not only accurate, but at no point in time have we attempted to offer comfort or support to perjuring pastor Liam Goligher.

OK. We’re all caught up on Tenth for now. On the other hand, the mess at  Park Street Church continues and grows. When I attended PSC, friends who moved to the Philly area went to Tenth. I never understood since the theology was different. However, both churches used to have the words historical and venerable applied to them. Sadly, we only apply historical unless they get sold to developers for impressive condos, as one TWW wag considered.


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Taking the Adjective ‘Venerable’ Out of the Descriptors of Tenth Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia. More on Liam Goligher and Carroll Wynne. — 31 Comments

  1. Sad…. Having grown up in the area 10th Pres was considered a “shining example” of a faithful church and from a distance I had respect for it. I knew people that went there during the Boice days. So this one hit close to home but the rumblings have been growing the last 15 years in the wake of the “organist” that was suspected of sexual sins and/or crimes.

    It angers me and saddens me.

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  2. “ Earlier, an attorney for Goligher untruthfully claimed our discovery that he had engaged …”
    I think there is a word or two missing here, and………

    Uhmmmmm, I think the ‘lawyer should have written ‘salacious’. “solacious” means providing solace; giving comfort and relief.

    Hmmm…….
    “Earlier, an attorney for Goligher untruthfully claimed our discovery that he had engaged in sex in a public park with parishioner Susan Elzey was false, defamatory, and, laughably,” ….. giving comfort and relief…..???????? A lawyer wrote this stuff?

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  3. So weird… I went to Tenth Presbyterian before I went to Park Street Church.

    I was at Tenth from 1990 to 1994, when I was an undergrad. Those were the Boice years. I didn’t get any whiff of the kind of rot that’s in the GRACE report.

    What happened???? I only skimmed the GRACE report when it came out – but it’s so sordid. Only one sexual predator would be awful enough, but there are so many of them!

    Or were there subtleties in the church culture back then that led into Tenth being a safe place for sexual predators, that I just didn’t see? I think Dr. Boice himself was a man of integrity.

    Then I started going to Park Street Church when I moved to Boston. I started attending in 1994, became a member in 1997, and left in 2017.

    So I was happy at PSC for 20 years, before I started noticing serious problems.

    Reading Kris Perkins’ testimony, it’s striking that he got shoved the same way Jeff Schuliger did back in 2017. The Personnel Committee took charge, without the knowledge or approval of the elders, in what I thought was a violation of PSC’s bylaws.

    I spoke to a former elder about that. He was a genial sort of person, very well respected in the church. He just seemed confused. So I thought, either I’m making a mountain out of a molehill here re: following PSC’s bylaws, or people just don’t care or see anything wrong.

    As wretched as the current bloodbath is at PSC, I actually have more hope for the church now than I did when I left in 2017. Things are SO bad, that the truth is coming to light in all the testimonies being emailed out this week. And in the 4 resignations this week (3 ministers and 1 elder).

    I’m just praying that the eyes of the church are being opened. I hope that the 2/3rds who just want to move along, nothing to see here, now see that as enabling a destructive path.

    The only way to heal and flourish is to begin by facing the depth of the damage caused, and how this all came about.

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  4. Grace: groomed and manipulated

    These seem to be job skills of pastors.

    But pastoring in the NT is a GIFT from the HS to the faith community.

    Using a GIFT from God as a paid profession to support oneself, a family, and build a dynasty is just another version of what made Jesus angry as he threw the money tables out of the Temple.

    Should pastors collect money for a GIFT from the Holy Spirit?

    Do pastors have way too much time, power, lack of oversight, access, resources, loyalty, positional allegiance, on their hands?

    What has pastoring become in our Protestant churches? We have pastors with power, use of resources, and vice – out of control?

    On the last post, Dee provided a link at the very end of the post, to the research work of Dr. Andrew S. Denney. He was at Loyola New Orleans. He is now at UTC. He studies the typologies of sex offenders among Protestant clergy. Dr. Denney uncovers a profile.

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  5. Grace: Liam is clearly guilty of adult clergy sexual abuse. A pastor cannot have an “affair” with a congregant. I’m sure he groomed and manipulated his victim as he abused his power and spiritual authority.

    Leniency to predators is cruelty to the innocent.

    Twisted Evangelicalism would then quote, “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” So no one is innocent? Nonsense.

    Fact is, children are innocent. Leniency to predator pastors is cruelty to children.

    Fact is, by law in some states, a pastor or counselor or professor, cannot “have an affair” with a constituent. They are vulnerable. Leniency to predator pastors is cruelty to the vulnerable.

    Leniency to predator pastors can be cruelty to their constituents. A solution could be to stop putting men on the pastor pedestal where they clearly function as predator pastors. Dr. Andrew S. Denney, Justice & Criminologist Researcher UTC, points out that typically Protestant pastors have COMPLETE access with NO oversight. Deadly combination. Deadly and cruel. The complete access no oversight pastor position is evil from the get-go.

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  6. Ava Aaronson: stop putting men on the pastor pedestal

    The Body of Christ has lost touch with the divine plan for the Church. The office of pastor is just one part of the whole … he is not to be an overlord … he is to be a servant … all of the parts (in both pulpit and pew) are equal before God and should come together to accomplish the Great Commission with their unique giftings. Pastors should never be placed on a pedestal reserved for God alone. We just don’t get it in the 21st century church. And, because we don’t, “pastors” are given position, privilege, and power that were never in the plan for His church.

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  7. “He sure hung on despite a myriad of allegations in the GRACE report. It must have been the benefits.”

    Actually Wynne was barred from the property. Since the presbytery had to investigate the GRACE allegations, he wasn’t fired or the pastoral relation dissolved. I’m not sure why you say “It must have been the benefits” that seems like a needlessly snarky thing to say. what the Grace report even says, as a window into his mind, is he doesn’t “get” the harm he caused (like when he assumes if he patted a bottom it must have been ‘in fun’ as part of a sports thing – with NO understanding of how devastating and confusing that could be to a teen girl in a youth group during a group game)

    Saying he “ran interference for a pedophile” seems needlessly tendentious. Garner seems to have taken a long time to get to the place where he could be restored to communion (if that is even possible?) His wife and kids have stuck by him. Wynne on his own initiative sent a letter encouraging leniency (Garner could have gotten 20+ YEARS even though he’s really old) but the judge gave him i think 2 years or so based on the nature of the case, having little to do with Wynne’s letter. Nobody else signed it. I agree Wynne shouldn’t have sent it ultimately, but knowing him, it probably seemed to him like just doing right by a member who had been restored through a long hard process, not “running interference”

    “I would love to hear this excuse from one of the elders.”

    Well you should be asking why Anglican Watch just makes stuff up when he doesn’t have facts based on guesswork and his own biases. Wynne isn’t “hanging around” he WAS barred from property and law enforcement was consulted.

    My suspicion is sometimes AW makes things up hoping someone will correct him instead of stonewalling him. But hey I shouldn’t really guess at motives either lol.

    “I take this to mean that Liam Goligher said “adios” in December and then refused to cooperate with the Presbytery ”

    ok, but that’s actually not what happened. You can try guessing again I suppose.

    FWIW I am sad that Liam bad-court-thingied himself but not sad that he’s gone. He was really a wolf who talked a good game on abuse and victims

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  8. Elizabeth Klein,

    “I spoke to a former elder about that. He was a genial sort of person, very well respected in the church. He just seemed confused. So I thought, either I’m making a mountain out of a molehill here re: following PSC’s bylaws, or people just don’t care or see anything wrong.”
    +++++++++++++++++++

    i think christian culture and church culture brainwash people.

    (some more than others; i think everyone is tinged by it to some degree)

    things that conflict with the party line don’t compute = thought processes jumble generating an error code.

    then it’s frozen.

    then a reset button is hit.

    then it’s “hey what’s for lunch?!?”, or some other generic impulse, the conflicting data now lost in the annals of code.
    .
    .
    the concept of God is kind of like a drug. people end up buying into things consciously and subconsciously.

    which is no reflection on God/Jesus/Holy Spirit.

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  9. dee,

    Yes. He abused his power as a spiritual authority. This is abuse whether or not she (victim) believes it to be true or not. predatory pastors groom their prey to believe they are in love or complicit in someway. But it is always abuse of power and typically involves grooming, triangulation, and threat if the secret ever gets out. A great resource is clergysexualmisconduct.com

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  10. barkingdog_presby: My suspicion is sometimes AW makes things up, hoping someone will correct him instead of stonewalling him.

    Remember that AW found the citation that started this whole thing. AW is not always “making stuff up,” even though they were accused of doing so when advertised the citation.

    barkingdog_presby: “I take this to mean that Liam Goligher said “adios” in December and then refused to cooperate with the Presbytery.”
    Ok, but that’s not what happened. You can try guessing again, I suppose.

    That is what it looked like to me. Goligher resigned (IOW said adios.) Months later, the Presbytery rules, which means after the adios.

    10th Presby was and is a mess, both before and during Goligher. Former members are raising legitimate questions.

    It is my opinion that there needs to be a clean-up and self-reflection on how such abuse continued and was tolerated. The system was too insulated and slow to change. I suspect others saw or suspected that things were not right. However, bucking authority was not allowed, and those who did most likely left.

    It should be embarrassing that an outsider like AW showed how to do due diligence. The GRACE report was also filled with concerns. Instead of getting your panties in a wad over AW, press inward to your church and try to see what you haven’t seen before. I can only wish you well in your endeavor.

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  11. dee: It is my opinion that there needs to be a clean-up and self-reflection on how such abuse continued and was tolerated. The system was too insulated and slow to change. I suspect others saw or suspected that things were not right. However, bucking authority was not allowed, and those who did most likely left.

    “Privilege is toxic.” Jerry Seinfeld, Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, Season 7, Episode 1.

    “Things that people struggle to achieve, they get to positions of power, influence, money, and can do things,… but it has a toxic effect on their judgment.”

    They’re talking about world leaders. This just might apply to church leaders, too, eh?

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  12. dee: press inward to your church and try to see what you haven’t seen before.

    When the reformers, Protestants, and more recently the Evangelicals gave up the vows of poverty, morality, and obedience (org accountability) among church leaders, they ended up with leaders with no accountability, unlimited resources, and complete unrestricted access.

    “leaders with no accountability, unlimited resources, and complete unrestricted access” are factors designed to lead to criminality among clergy, according to Dr. Andrew Denney at UTC.

    You supplied a link to his research from when he was at Loyola New Orleans.

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  13. elastigirl: things that conflict with the party line don’t compute = thought processes jumble generating an error code.

    then it’s frozen.

    then a reset button is hit.

    then it’s “hey what’s for lunch?!?”, or some other generic impulse, the conflicting data now lost in the annals of code.

    Or completely erased as if it never existed.

    Once I heard a guy who worked Army Intel n Iraq talking about observing the same phenomenon with Muslim locals. He described that no matter how intelligent and/or educated they were, there was a hard limit to their ability to think. You could lead them only so far until “the wall in their mind slams down”, after which there was only “IT IS WRITTEN! AL’LAH’U AKBAR! AL’LAH’U AKBAR! AL’LAH’U AKBAR!” of the Hard Reset.

    The same phenomenon was deliberately taught by the Moonies under the term “Thoughtstoppers”. When a Hertical Thought comes into the Moonie’s head, they were trained to immediately recite Thoughtstopper phrases of Faith in Reverend Moon to drown out the Heretical Thought until it went away. An example of deliberately triggering the Reset.

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  14. Nancy2(aka Kevlar): Fame, power, control, and wealth …… all in Jesus’ name.

    And nothing to do with Jesus.

    All of these were offered to Jesus BEFORE he began his ministry, in the Wilderness, as recorded by Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

    Satan came to Jesus offering power, wealth, and making bread from stones for sensual pleasure and sustenance.

    Jesus refused all. Later, in the 4th Gospel of John, Jesus declares Satan has no power over him.

    How many clergy, before they begin their ministry, also turn down every such offer so Satan has no power over them? Or, do they accept Satan’s offers?

    Which and when are ministries empowered, driven, and supported by the Devil himself? Who are the ministers who are sold out* to the Enemy?

    *Consider the clergy who are actually felons with public records of violating minors, and parishioners. Who do they work for? Why are they supported $$$ by churches, even paying for their legal defense?

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  15. Nancy2(aka Kevlar):
    they ended up with leaders with no accountability, unlimited resources, and complete unrestricted access.
    Ava Aaronson,

    Fame, power, control, and wealth …… all in Jesus’ name.

    “See how Ba’al Has Blessed Us.”
    — one-liner from a Seventies Christian novel about Elijah vs Jezebel (by a side character who became rich and powerful by following Ba’al-Melkart’s way of Greed and Selfishness)

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  16. Max: “Authority” is not even a word that should be used when it comes to church leaders.An authoritarian pastor is a false shepherd.

    “They will call upon the Strong Man, and the Strong Man will come.”
    — Demonic (literally) villain brag from a Seventies spiritual warfare novel

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  17. dee: I have a question. Is she a victim? I mean, has she declared herself a victim? I am aware of a number of other nuances in this situation, which makes me ask that question.
    Also, did she participate in the Phil Snyder situation?

    I could give you my uninformed and anonymous opinion but what would that accomplish? Very little especially since I don’t see how hashing these matters out in public serves any real purpose thats good for anyone. If she is a victim, she’s certainly been further traumatized by the way AW has treated her and your publicization of it. Do you think she needs to publicly proclaim this to the world before you accept it?

    Maybe she was involved in Snyder’s lost lawsuits (which he lost since he admitted under oath he was tendentiously misleading people about who was responsible for the ‘naked beatings’ that the music director caused) maybe not. Does it matter?

    It is my opinion that there needs to be a clean-up and self-reflection on how such abuse continued and was tolerated. The system was too insulated and slow to change. I suspect others saw or suspected that things were not right. However, bucking authority was not allowed, and those who did most likely left.

    It should be embarrassing that an outsider like AW showed how to do due diligence.

    I’m seeing some very pointed self-reflection at Tenth. I hope there is much more to come. I will wait. Its sad I think everyone is lawsuit shy since when Liam tried to deal with the abuse of the music guy the church got sued and *lost* (doesn’t inspire much diligence to deal with abuse transparently if transparency gets the church sued by the abusers) and if Liam is the golden boy for handling the music directors abuse, then who would oppose him on his own powertripping?

    AW got lucky (sorry: presbyterian here “was providentially used by God”) to expose the citation but i don’t count that as “due diligence” since i doubt its the kind of thing typical background checks find. And since he’s been so needlessly hostile any ’embarrassment” should be his – now that he’s catching on that letting Snyder mock her as an “adulteress” might be kinda abusive!

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