True story: A man in a Lutheran church, upon overhearing Dee say she used to be Baptist, said: “I didn’t take you for a Baptist.” Dee immediately responded. “They didn’t take me for a Baptist, either.”
A few days ago, the SBC President posted this tweet.
Barber is making an important and strong statement. Believe it when somebody tells you who he (or his organization) is. This is the new and improved SBC offering up “the Danvers Statement.” What is going on?
Women who are called pastors are out at the SBC.
However, churches can call them ministers and get around it. Here’s the deal. The SBC claims that the churches are autonomous. I don’t believe that whatsoever. I wrote the following post in June 2023. The SBC Begins the Process to Outlaw Women Pastors of Any Kind in the SBC, and the SBC Abuse Task Force Moved More Slowly Than Expected. This is not a denomination in which the churches are autonomous. I was called by an attorney who is planning a lawsuit regarding a sex abuse case in the SBC. He asked about my thoughts on the matter. I suggested he get to know the Law amendment. It will be one more proof that the SBC is beginning to rack up rules and regulations for all churches. At some point, autonomy ceases to exist.
I wrote about this in Mike Law Says His Amendment Banning Women Pastors in the SBC Will Prevent the Oppression of Women and Children. The SBC Executive Committee Will Allow Messengers to Vote on It. Many in the Executive Committee advocated voting against this proposal. Given the overwhelming approval to extend the right boot of fellowship to Saddleback et al., this should not come as a surprise.
I was not expecting this to pass and had hoped it would go to a committee to “study it.” I was wrong. I quickly educated myself on the process. This vote will need to be confirmed at the SBC Convention next year. If it passes, it will become the law of SBC land. The Roys Report presented Southern Baptists Start Process to Name Only Men As Pastors.
I read the following and imagined the bloodletting that will begin if this passes next year, and unless something unexpected happens, I think it will.
Law, pastor of Arlington Baptist Church, has compiled a list of 170 women serving in pastoral roles. Fewer than a third are senior pastors. The remainder include associate pastors and children’s pastors.
Who will be the Tomás de Torquemada of the SBC, visiting all 170 women and turning them over to Satan?
This is likely to pass at the next convention. It means that women will not be allowed to call themselves “pastors” in any position, including overseeing the baby ministry. Yes, there have been women pastors in the SBC, but they have been few and far between. The few left will likely be eliminated. However, all the churches must do is change their job title to “minister,” and everyone will return to business.
There are a number of nice guys in the SBC, like William Thornton, who wrote the following post: SBC Executive Committee to recommend over one thousand churches be expelled.
Autonomy at work. It just seems like severe overkill to target women sub-pastors in this fashion.The problem is that once the SBC makes this negative requirement official (the wording is “Does not affirm, appoint, or employ a woman as a pastor of any kind”), where could the EC go except to recommend en masse to the convention in session that all these churches (anonymous, self-appointed doctrine and vocabulary police have been working on a list) be expelled?
Actually, it could be worse and probably will be, since there are not a few misogynists and sexist SBCers who gleefully pursue any avenue to degrade, demean, and dismiss women
…It could be worse in a secondary manner in that the wording of the amendment applies to “affirm” and “appoint” not just “employ” a woman as “pastor of any kind.” The inexact meaning of “affirm” could mean any public comment by a church staff member or lay church member. I suppose I could be guilty of affirming women as pastors, since I see no issue whatsoever with any woman serving as a sub-pastor under the authority of the male senior pastor. Maybe I’ll join Mike Law’s church and put that small congregation in jeopardy. Maybe he wouldn’t have me :).
The die is cast. I predict that no church in the SBC will have a woman in any position who holds the job title of pastor. There will be fewer and fewer male pastors like Thornton willing to work with a female “pastor of kiddos.” That day has come and gone.
In my opinion, the SBC is not autonomous. Lawyers of victims, I hope you are reading this. As an aside, does the EC still have insurance to cover a lawsuit?
As Thornton says:
Here’s the worst problem: No one really cares. The denomination is in free fall. Another (old) abuse case lawsuit hit the SBCEC and SBC inbox just this week. Does the EC even have insurance anymore to manage these things which will doubtless grow? I don’t know the answer to that.
Does the EC even have insurance coverage if they get sued (which they will?)
Complementarianism, as defined by the Danvers Statement and men like CJ Mahaney, will be the “rule” of the day in the SBC. This goes far beyond not being called pastor.
Let meander to this “illustrious” statement, overseen and defined by men like CJ Mahaney, Joshua Harris (I kid you not), and others. How embarrassing for Bart Barber. Here is the link he gave.
They sure know how to pick them. On the council, you will see illustrious names like CJ Mahaney, who will never submit to an investigation, and Joshua Harris, who is off in his own world now and most likely would throw up if he saw his name still listed. Dorothy Patterson is listed on the council, and her hubby, the infamous Paige Patterson, is on the Board of Reference. Then there is Mary Kassian, a distinguished professor (SBTS) of women’s studies. Mary Kassian Compares Women Who Teach Men in Church to Fornicators. (I kid you not.) And “Updated with new link 09/24/19: Mary Kassian, Distinguished SBTS Professor, “Is Not a Particularly Credible Witness.”
Make sure you understand what this means. If you are a true believer, these are now the basis of what you should believe, according to Barber.
- In the church, redemption in Christ gives men and women an equal share in the blessings of salvation; nevertheless, some governing and teaching roles within the church are restricted to men”
- the increasing promotion given to feminist egalitarianism with accompanying distortions or neglect of the glad harmony portrayed in Scripture between the loving, humble leadership of redeemed husbands and the intelligent, willing support of that leadership by redeemed wives;
- wives should forsake resistance to their husbands’ authority and grow in willing, joyful submission to their husbands’ leadership
- Both Old and New Testaments also affirm the principle of male headship in the family
- We are convinced that a denial or neglect of these principles will lead to increasingly destructive consequences in our families, our churches, and the culture at large.
If one neglects these principles, churches and the American way will be destroyed. This is the new SBC. I do have a question for Mr Barber for which there will be no answer.
Please tell me one thing that a man can do in leading the family that the woman (wife) cannot do?
What’s going on with the Sex Abuse Implementation Task Force?
They have been stalled. It’s been another three months with no report. Here’s my prediction. They will invent a nice database with pastors who’ve been convicted. That’s it. There will be no credibly accused pastors on the list. My guess is the SBC will have a difficult time getting abuse insurance for the EC since it is known that “They hide things.” Remember the secret list? So do insurers and attorneys. Could it be that the SBC will have to dissolve and reestablish under a new name? It is possible, so don’t laugh.
What does this mean for members of the SBC?
- I believe that men and women will need to keep their mouths shut in the new SBC or risk the increasingly popular “church discipline.” Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
- The SBC will exhibit continuing fractures; unless the two sides can agree, there will be a denominational split.
- There will be further declines in membership if they continue to recommend resources like the Danvers Statement.
- There will be a number of churches that will leave the SBC if they enforce the Law amendment.
- They will kick out lots of churches after the Law amendment passes.
- A number of churches will change the word “pastor” to “minister” or “director.” They will not change their job descriptions so that it will be a game.
- Mike Law will now find some way to vet job descriptions at churches and make up a new amendment to kick out even more churches.
- Eventually, the SBC will be successfully sued when some clever lawyers prove that the denomination’s church is not autonomous.
- CJ Mahaney’s Sovereign Grace Churches will become increasingly visible in the SBC and continue to be as creepy as ever. CJ Mahaney won when he fell into the loving arms of Al Mohler, who is now trying to pretend he never knew CJ.
- Paige Patterson will buy Paul Pressler’s stained glass memorial window from Liberty University and gift it to Johnny Hunt.
- Lots of current-day SBC leaders will continue to pretend they know nothing about Pressler. A future survey will show that 90% of them did. The other 10% were too busy figuring out how to get a job at the North American Mission Board.
- David Platt will get tired of the lawsuits, buy a $ 2 million home in the Florida Keys, and produce a new book on how to live radically as a beach bum.
- Dorothy Patterson will get arrested for trying to sneak back into the SWBTS mansion( Is it still called Pecan Manor?) to reclaim her teacup chandelier and boxes of hats.
- Jerry Falwell Jr. will decline to be the head of the EC leaving the EC nowhere to turn except to offer it to Mike Huckabee.
- Jack Graham of Prestonwood Church will be detained by Plano police after the planned lighting on fire of the flying drummers for the grand finale of the Xmas production goes painfully awry. As he is led away, he’s heard yelling, “Wait til you hear what I’m going to do next year with a 300+ Mrs. Santa Claus kickline! They’ll be coming in from Vegas to see it!” He will be sent to David Platt’s radical beach bum retreat in the Florida Keys. It is at the same location where Johnny Hunt was heard singing “Wasting Away in Margaritaville.” All three will form Beach Bum Baptist which will have franchises in San Diego, the Riviera, and the Turks and Caicos. Hunt refuses to wear flip-flops and is fired.
I better quit while I’m ahead.