The Gospel-Centered Abuser: A Letter to a Devil-in-Training

I recently came across this post on Eric Schumacher’s blog site. I thought it was excellent and wanted to share it with you. This is a take-off from C.S. Lewis’ book, “Screwtape Letters.”
-Todd

The Gospel-Centered Abuser

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The Gospel-Centered Abuser: A Letter to a Devil-in-Training — 44 Comments

  1. So, as a child abused by adults in authority, what is my responsibility as a Christian in terms of forgiveness?

    I am not trying to stir up any argument here. I really need to know.

    I would be very interested in what other readers think.

  2. Earlier today I happened to read a blog comment (by Chuck Smith from the great beyond, of all things) about a very long-time abuser. “ Go ahead and prove to me this guy isn’t proclaiming the faithful gospel message in his teachings. You have done NOTHING to bring into question his doctrinal positions. And as such, God will continue to use him until his time is done.”
    So the scoundrel’s diabolical actions mean nothing— “he gets the gospel right!” To quote Pastor John.
    https://www.phoenixpreacher.com/mike-kestler-back-on-csn/
    Papa Chuck commented over 5 years and 564 comments after the original post- even though in life he’d had his own difficulties with the gospel-centered abuser.

  3. We are to forgive those who have sinned against us. That is clear Biblical teaching.

    But forgiveness does not mean that the sinner is let off the hook. Ideally the best outcome (apart from the sin not being committed in the first place) would be for the perpetrator or abuser to acknowledge their sin, to ask forgiveness of the person they have sinned against and to do everything in their power to make up for what they did. That is their responsibility, and has nothing to do with they are forgiven or not.

    For the person sinned against, as a Christian, they should forgive, regardless of whether the person has repented.

    I say this as someone who has been sinned against by those in the church. I worked in a Christian school as a teacher 20 years ago and was subjected to emotional and spiritual abuse. It ruined my teaching career and, eventually, my emotional and physical health. When I pray the Lord’s prayer I say to God “Lord, I forgive those who have sinned against me. This is really hard to do, so give me strength to do it.”

    There is no guarantee that we will receive recompense in this life for the sins committed against us. If it happens, that is good. And in recent times the issue of abusive leaders in the Christian church is gaining traction which should, hopefully, result in exposing the sin of these unrepentant leaders and getting leaders in position who actually fit the Biblical qualifications in 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1 and 1 Peter 5.

    (BTW I’m also a Calvinist)

  4. Molly245, as someone who experienced sporadic abuse as a child and teenager, I can only speak to my experience, and no one else’s. First, forgiveness doesn’t mean letting someone off the hook for what they did. It was wrong. I also had to realize that a “root of bitterness” only harmed me, not my perpetrator. Forgiveness takes time. It wasn’t a “one and done deal.” Anger and bitterness surged up for years. I ranted and screamed at God. Why didn’t He DO something? While I did have therapy, I didn’t find it particularly helpful.
    I guess I had to ask myself what forgiveness looked like for me, and no one else. I realized this person didn’t care; I was only tearing myself apart, dwelling on the past and my sense of helplessness, so what was the point? Speaking for myself, I came to realize that God had to deal with this individual, and there wasn’t a damn thing I could do. It was up to God. Did I trust Him to take care of this individual, even if it’s on the other side of this life?
    All I can say is that when I realized I had to leave it in God’s hands (and I had to do it over and over), I achieved a deep sense of peace. It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God, and He will deal with him far worse than I ever could. Now when his name comes up, I feel indifference, and sadness for his wife. I always wondered how much she knew.
    Molly, I pray God’s healing for you regarding this situation, knowing it will take time. It took me years for the worst of the anguish to dissolve.

  5. It is critical, Foolsgold, that you keep your patient attending diligently to building up his human guardians. If he becomes skilled enough at this, he will have a battalion of zealous defenders should a sheep whom he’s bitten ever speak up. Barring a catastrophe, this will keep him from ever being displaced and will save us the work of cultivating a suitable replacement. Efficiency, my young protégée!

    Train your patient to be exceedingly careful at first so that his guards only see him in the mask he dons that has a shepherd’s face on it. Though the Enemy has warned them repeatedly in his Book that even our Father Below can disguise himself as an angel above, they are ever imagining that they can spot a wolf on sight. It is such an advantage to our side!

    Train him to flatter and to woo, to invite them to feast on the delicacies of being part of the coveted inner circle. Be sure that he subtly communicates that it is thanks to him that they find themselves in the warmth of that circle, so that they also recognize that he also has the power to wall them out.

    Once they are enjoying the benefits of the inner circle, your patient should be encouraged to occasionally show just a flash of his wolfish side. I have been training your fellow junior tempters so that their own patients in the inner circle are learning to deceive themselves. They have experienced no small degree of success in teaching their patients to disregard what they have seen with their own eyes and substitute alternative explanations for the wolfishness they witness. They are becoming blinder by the day! It is important that your patient never lets them see too much at once, however, even now. If they see clearly, they could still rise up.

    If they have a moment of seeing clearly which they cannot shake off, their tempters can fall back on whispering to them about how much good is being done by your patient and how good his sermons are and how if this gets out, it will harm the Reputation of the Church. Yes, Foolsgold, you laugh. It is indeed amusing how easily humans fall for this suggestion.

    Your patient must learn to maneuver his guards into a position where they have turned their eyes away often enough that they themselves have gradually become complicit. Then any revelation of what your patient has been doing will implicate them as well.

    If your patient is somehow caught furthering our work, he should be ready confess something so that he appears humble. Coach him to offer confessions about acting “inappropriately” or being “overly friendly” or “unwise” or “overzealous” or “overworked” or “shy” or whatever alternate narrative will be convincing. These alternative explanations will be readily accepted as a substitute for confession of sin. We want to keep it that way or else they might embrace the Enemy’s Way and break free of the chains with which we have so carefully bound them.

    There is a particular deliciousness in seeing shepherds become the guardians of wolves. Scrumptious.

  6. This is simply brilliant writing, I must say.

    As far as to Molly’s question, let me respond:

    God has said “Vengeance is mine.” So one thing that is important, regardless of rather or not you ever get a sincere apology from your abusers, is to let go of the desire for revenge. Leave that to God. Believe me, God can do things that go well beyond merely human revenge. In anger it is tempting to let imaginations go wild with what revenge you could be doing. It takes self-control to not go down that path.

    Forgiveness is not a stupid thing. To forgive does not mean to open one’s self up again to be abused all over again. Jesus is our role-model. You never see Him doing that. The Word says to do all that we can do to be at peace with all men. Sometimes that means giving a certain person a wide berth, blocking certain numbers and whatever else is necessary to stay a reasonable distance away from them. Sometimes you cannot be near someone without WWIII erupting. When it is they that always start it, then peace will be between you whenever you are not together, so make that happen more often.

    Jesus said to love your enemies by praying for them. This is an alternative to the revenge fantasies I mentioned before. Praying for help from God to release the anger also helps. The anger does not help you and some bitterly hold on to it. The trick is to do this while also releasing them of expectations. They may never apologize. You may never be family again in ways other people’s are. There is a whole lot of letting go required, but you do not let go of God and you do not forget the wisdom of how to protect yourself. There are other things I could say, but I am sure that someone else here will add those things.

  7. “The Holy Spirit teaches us to love our enemies in such way
    that we pity their souls as if they were our own children.”

    (St.Silouan the Athonite”

  8. Molly245: So, as a child abused by adults in authority, what is my responsibility as a Christian in terms of forgiveness?

    Molly245: I would be very interested in what other readers think.

    What do I think?
    You are in no way ‘responsible’ for a gall-dang thing.
    The abusers are, plain and simple.

  9. Molly245,

    I am so sorry you experienced this, especially as an innocent child.

    I was spiritually and emotionally abused as an adult, so this may or may not be helpful, feel free to glean what is useful to your situation and ignore the rest.

    In my experience, forgiveness is a process. It’s ok for it to take time. And I think it’s done more for YOUR sake than for the sake of the one(s) who abused you, more for YOUR mental and spiritual health. For me, it meant I stopped spending all my free time ruminating over the hurt; it meant I stopped being afraid of running into them in public; it meant I stopped giving in to fear and anger (as much, like I said, it’s a process).

    I still think those who hurt me should be held responsible for their actions and removed from the position of being able to hurt others in the same way. If a safeguarding organization or the appropriate church leaders were to conduct an inquiry, I would not feel obligated to be silent; the truth is what will set us free, not silence. I also think there is no obligation for reconciliation, unless there is actual repentance (see note below) on their part and you think it would be more helpful than not on your own healing journey.

    Regarding repentance, I like Rebecca Davis’s definition, that it means more “come to your senses” than merely “be sorry that you were caught” (my paraphrase).

    If you are a reader, maybe consider “Redeeming Power” by Diane Langberg or “Something’s Not Right” by Wade Mullen. They both approach abuse from a Christian perspective, and I found their books helpful. While it wasn’t so helpful to my particular situation, Aundi Kolber’s “Try Softer” may also help with your question.

    Praying you find peace on this journey.

  10. Molly245: So, as a child abused by adults in authority, what is my responsibility as a Christian in terms of forgiveness?

    I am not trying to stir up any argument here. I really need to know.

    I would be very interested in what other readers think.

    First of all, I am so very sorry for what you suffered as a child at the hands of those who should have been protecting you. It was wrong and Jesus said it would be better for them if they had millstones tied around their necks and were thrown into the depths of the sea. In some mysterious way, he bore it with you and counts what was done to you as being done to him as well. “Inasmuch as you have done it to the least of these, you have done it to me.”

    He is your ultimate Healer.

    Forgiveness often comes in layers, especially for wounds that we sustained as children. Trauma memories circling around in your brain are not evidence of lack of forgiveness but of need for further healing. A licensed therapist who specializes in trauma can be a means Jesus uses as part of your healing. You do not have to go it alone.

    Forgiveness is not giving up the hope for justice, and often justice for one who has been wounded results in justice and healing for others , or the prevention of harm for others. In God’s character, Justice and Mercy come together.

    I have found the translation of the Lord’s Prayer that uses the words debts and debtors particularly helpful. “Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.”

    If you are in bankruptcy and owe a creditor, any money you might receive from a debt owed to you will automatically go to your creditor.

    Forgiveness can be thought of as something like turning the debt owed to you over to Jesus, your creditor. When you turn debt collection over to him, the debt is then his to collect in the judgement or to pay in his own blood. He will know the right combination of justice and mercy because he alone can see the hearts of the ones who harmed you. The injured person is then free of that burden.

    I have found Rachel Denhollander’s witness impact statement in the trial of Larry Nassar to be a very powerful example of the meeting of justice and mercy. She pursued justice vigorously at great cost to herself and yet she offered forgiveness. I am fairly certain that that is online and you can find it by googling.

    May you find peace and healing and wholeness and may God give you compassionate and wise friends to accompany you on the journey.

  11. Molly245,
    This is a quote from Wade Mullen’s book (reference below). I don’t feel qualified to tell a survivor anything about forgiveness, so I hope you find this helpful.

    “Forgiveness and Advocacy

    And I forgive you. I could hardly believe I had just written those words. It was around 4 a.m. on Monday morning, February 15, 2016, and I was staring down at around seven pages covered with sentences that each began with the phrase “I was angry when . . .” I hadn’t planned to write for most of the night. I simply wanted to do something with the question the senior pastor had asked me: “Where did this anger come from?” It was lodged in my soul like a deep splinter, and I could not ignore the throbbing pain it caused. Perhaps that was the point. So I decided to list each of the reasons I was angry. Injustice after injustice filled the pages. I have every right to be angry, I thought. Everyone ought to be angry. This practice of taking an inventory of wrongs was both validating and crushing. Something wasn’t right. And grief and anger were a natural response to that realization. I had no idea my list would end with the words, “And I forgive you.” To be honest, I’m still trying to make sense of that response. That moment of forgiveness liberated me, not just from the hold another’s wrongs had over me, but it liberated me to a place where I could oppose the abuse without the motive of personal revenge. The act of forgiveness didn’t shut down my advocacy. Rather, it spun me back into the fray with a clearer mind and a strengthened resolve. In some ways, this moment marked the beginning of a new stage in my efforts to combat evil. I’m still seeking answers to the mystery of forgiveness. I do know this: I would not have wanted someone to say to me, “Have you forgiven him yet?” I’ve encountered too many people who push forgiveness on others as a way of dealing with their own discomfort. For me, the choice to forgive was intensely personal, and its occurrence had a unique place in my unique story. I don’t know if this will be true for you, but the path I took to forgiveness was lined with painful memories that were difficult to walk through. It would have been much easier to take the path that tramples the memories deep below ground, never to be surfaced. The act of telling and remembering somehow led me to an unexpected forgiveness. I’ve since come to believe it is better to remember and forgive than to forgive and forget. A week after I wrote the words “And I forgive you,” I informed the board that I would stay only if they hired a top-notch independent party to investigate my claims, that the entire board needed to be subject to investigation, and that they had one week to respond or I would resign immediately. My forgiveness did not call off my pursuit of truth. If anything, it accelerated it. Whatever you are facing, I hope you can take the next step. People might try to tell you that the next and only step is to forgive and “move on.” The next best step toward freedom and healing is the one that you choose. The next best sentence in your story is the one you write with your own pen. As your eyes are opened, you will see more clearly and will come to a deeper understanding of what happened to you. Only then will giving up the desire for revenge or a different past be done in a meaningful way. Only then will you know what you are forgiving if you make that choice, what you are seeking justice for if you pursue it, and what you are committed to preventing in the future.”

    Mullen, Wade. Something’s Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse–and Freeing Yourself from Its Power (pp. 184-186). Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

  12. Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight): We are to forgive those who have sinned against us. That is clear Biblical teaching.

    Clear as what?

    Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight): But forgiveness does not mean that the sinner is let off the hook. Ideally the best outcome (apart from the sin not being committed in the first place) would be for the perpetrator or abuser to acknowledge their sin, to ask forgiveness of the person they have sinned against and to do everything in their power to make up for what they did.

    Best outcome?
    Child sex abuse is a felony in all 50 States and those who are convicted of such in a court of law go to prison.
    How’s that for an outcome?

  13. Molly245,

    Forgiveness by the victim means no vengeance. All crimes should be reported to LE for DOJ due process, to protect ourselves, and our community and prevent more crime. God will take vengeance, “‘Vengeance is Mine,’ says the Lord.”

    Repentance by the predator is indicated by the predator’s fruit of repentance (Luke 3
    8 & Acts 3.8), like Zacchaeus, who repaid x 4 what he had stolen. Anything less indicates no repentance.

    IMHO.

  14. Molly245,

    Forgiveness by the victim means no vengeance. All crimes should be reported to LE for DOJ due process, to protect ourselves, and our community and prevent more crime. God will take vengeance, “‘Vengeance is Mine,’ says the Lord.”

    Repentance by the predator is indicated by the predator’s fruit of repentance (Luke 3
    8 & Acts 3.8), like Zacchaeus, who repaid x 4 what he had stolen. Anything less indicates no repentance.

    IMHO

  15. Thank so much to all who took the time and effort to write sensitive and thoughtful answers to my question.

    There is much wisdom and gentleness in your replies and I sure I will benefit as I reread and ponder what you all have shared.

  16. Molly245: what is my responsibility as a Christian in terms of forgiveness?

    I was so screwed by abuse and then my own mother’s ongoing gaslighting about this that I am no longer a Christian but will give a perspective.
    I am suspicious when people who have been abused are expected to forgive. I think the best comparisons are South Africa (apartheid) and Germany (the shoah). In both cases terrible things were done by people to other people, both countries have tried at length to deal with the terrible things that have happened, and in both countries the events are very much alive.
    The sessions of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission make truly awful viewing and I particularly remember a woman collapsing and screaming that she could never be reconciled with the police officer who admitted murdering her son.
    I don’t think that is incompatible with wanting to forgive him, though.
    In Germany you literally can’t escape holocaust history, so determined are they that it won’t happen again.
    Some people make out that forgiving also means forgetting or giving people a pass – in reality it means it being put right between you, and this often can’t happen. None of this wouldn’t detract from your wish to forgive, and honestly if God would consider it a sin that you can’t, well he’s going to be hearing from me.
    Personally I don’t feel an obligation to forgive my abuser and have done what I can to put it right. I and others are waiting for the news to break and will come forward to say that the church authorities knew. Until then the papers won’t publish because there’s no proof, and so far the police have not been interested because there hasn’t been a case which would get to prosecution.
    As regards my mother our already fractured relationship deteriorated towards the end of her life and we spent the last decade of it estranged. She bad mouthed me about this and stopped everyone else talking to me.
    But honestly? Breaking contact with my mother was the best thing I ever did. People say you miss them when they’re gone, but sometimes you realize that life is much better without them.
    I am obviously not happy that things ended like that but I tried over a couple of decades and nothing would put it right. Forgiving her without changing the relationship would have just been a free pass to continue.

  17. Muff Potter,

    Yes you are correct. If a truly repentant sinner has committed a crime, they will go to the authorities, admit their crime, and accept the punishment.

  18. Ava Aaronson: Repentance by the predator is indicated by the predator’s fruit of repentance (Luke 3.8 & Acts 3.8); fruit is evidenced like when Zacchaeus repaid x 4 what he had stolen. Anything less indicates no repentance.

    Words without action, in the case of the perpetrator, are meaningless. Words mean NOTHING. 0.

  19. Sadly, certain corners of the American pulpit resemble this. If this piece doesn’t convince you how much Foolsgold is in ministry, nothing will.

    “Get them to have some empty form of the Gospel, something that looks like the Gospel but denies its power” characterizes much of today’s preaching … it’s another gospel which is not ‘the’ Gospel at all.

  20. Eyewitness: There is a particular deliciousness in seeing shepherds become the guardians of wolves.

    Wolves in sheep’s clothing. Nah, the wolves have found it more profitable to dress in shepherd’s clothing.

  21. Molly245: Thank so much to all who took the time and effort to write sensitive and thoughtful answers to my question.

    There is much wisdom and gentleness in your replies and I sure I will benefit as I reread and ponder what you all have shared.

    Another thought on forgiveness and debt that might be helpful. Sometimes the debt we are trying to collect is the debt of love. Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. Each person owes another love. You were owed love as a child (and now.)

    It is hard to release a debt when you’re broke yourself. It can be easier for someone to release the debt of love owed when they really truly come to believe the love God has for them. People whose childhood has included abuse often struggle to believe they can be loved. When that is the case, it can be helpful to soak in passages such as Romans 8:31-39 (really all of Romans 8) or to pray for oneself Paul’s prayer in Eph.3:14-21. Once you realize there is an infinite inheritance of love in your “bank account,” it becomes easier to release even a very large debt because you no longer need it.

    But forgiveness also does not mean reconciliation. Forgiveness means that you release the personal debt. Forgiveness can be one-sided. A person can forgive another who has never repented while breaking ties with that person. Forgiveness does not require that the relationship be restored. Some people are not trustworthy, safe people. Some may actually feel remorse (or at least look like they do) but not change their harmful patterns of behavior. They remain unsafe people. There is no biblical requirement to maintain relationships with unsafe people. And no biblical requirement to reconcile.

    Consider this passage from 2 Timothy 4: “Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.”

    Paul is not reconciled with Alexander. He is not trying to collect the debt either, but has turned it over to God. He recognizes that Alexander is not safe and even warns another person about the offender to protect that person from being harmed like he was.

    Speaking of unsafe people…People who browbeat you to forgive are not safe people for you —at least for now. Often they have a simplistic and formulaic or even distorted understanding of healing from woundedness, and how forgiveness and reconciliation fit in. (Perhaps they will grow wiser in time.) There are also those who “treat the wound of my people superficially, saying peace, peace where there is no peace” Jer. 8:11–often that is for their own sense of peace. And some are just judgmental.

    Instead, look for the physicians, the healers, who have the balm needed. Jer. 8: 22 They will be the people who weep with those who weep Rom 12:15, who are quick to listen, and slow to speak. James 1:19

  22. Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight): If a truly repentant sinner has committed a crime, they will go to the authorities, admit their crime, and accept the punishment.

    I have seen this happen in circumstances near to me. It can happen though it is very rare to find criminals that actually have working consciences. What is common is the con for those in prison. Many can pretend to have a conscience and can fool many, so it is in the actions and not words.

  23. Mr. Jesperson: What is common is the con for those in prison.

    It’s amazing how many convicts “get Jesus” in prison and are released early on good behavior … only to live like hell when they hit the street again. But, it’s the cons in the pulpit that show up on TWW posts who really bother me!

  24. Eyewitness,

    Yes! Exactly that! Thank you so much. The verses will be very helpful.

    The kindness of strangers is a wonderful thing,especially when they are fellow heirs of Gods grace.

  25. Max: only to live like hell when they hit the street again. But, it’s the cons in the pulpit that show up on TWW posts who really bother me!

    IOW … only to live like h*ll when they hit the pulpit again.

    Too bad it doesn’t bother their funders. The pulpiteers are often not wage-earners like Paul was, but on the dole.

  26. Molly245:
    So, as a child abused by adults in authority, what is my responsibility as a Christian in terms of forgiveness?

    I am not trying to stir up any argument here. I really need to know.

    I would be very interested in what other readers think.

    Forgiveness and what it means to you is entirely your decision.

    What that means for me is you can press charges, you don’t need to meet with your abuser, it means that you did nothing wrong and not feel any guilt or obligation. Not to your church, not to god, not to your pastor, and sure as shoot not to the abuser.

    You don’t have to be “the better person”, you already are.

    You don’t owe anyone anything.

    I can’t speak to the Christian part but you’re a free person.

  27. Jack: You don’t owe anyone anything.

    Agree.

    Beware of DARVO.

    “DARVO (deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender) is what perpetrators, such as sexual offenders, do instead of being accountable for their crime. Researchers indicate DARVO is a common manipulation strategy of abusers.”

  28. Dave A A:
    So the scoundrel’s diabolical actions mean nothing— “he gets the gospel right!” To quote Pastor John.

    Purity of Ideology, comrades.
    Purity of Ideology.

  29. TL:DR “Nowhere do we corrupt so effectively as at the very foot of the Enemy’s altar!” — Screwtape

    There have been many attempts to reproduce Screwtape Letters.
    (Even one My Little Pony fanfic, “Letters from a Senior to a Junior Changeling”.)
    None have really been able to hit the mark like Lewis.

    The main thing that stood out in this one is the mentions of Love. Screwtape Devils are utterly incapable of understanding Love or any other Virtue. According to Screwtape himself, Hell has huge research think tanks trying to figure out the REAL con behind this “Love”. What the Enemy’s REAL agenda is. “Alternative Facts” worthy of the most X-treme QAnon fanboy. “Alternative Reality” as total as the Dwarfs in their filthy stable in the midst of Aslan’s Land. Like the Dwarfs for the Dwarfs, they will NOT be taken in. At all.

    Screwtape devils are also incapable of understanding sex. To them, it is just some filthy animal thing, unworthy of Spirits like themselves. They’re more Spiritual than Over-Saved Uber-Christians, totally uncontaminated by anything remotely Physical. And just as Proud of it.

    They would also not use the Enemy’s actual phrasing “We come to steal, kill, and destroy”. Remember their “morality” is completely inverted; they are merely Feeding on Prey, cultivating domestic animals for the slaughter and stewpot. Prey. Food. Nothing more.

    The climax of an SF horror story by my other writing partner (the self-educated son of a steelworker) put the attitude this way:

    “Deception is my hunting spear, deception and ambition. You but Use and Discard – I USE AND DEVOUR!”

  30. John Berry: I am obviously not happy that things ended like that but I tried over a couple of decades and nothing would put it right. Forgiving her without changing the relationship would have just been a free pass to continue.

    Sometimes there are NO Good solutions and the best you can do is the least Bad of a choice of Bad solutions.

  31. John Berry: I am suspicious when people who have been abused are expected to forgive.

    Same here.

    There are important questions that need to be answered WAY before this “victim – but have YOU forgiven your abuser?” guilt trip. That’s all it is. DARVO. Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender. Very stupid question, IMHO. Just rush to have victim forgive, shove the crime under the rug, and the predator goes on preying?

    The most important questions to ask victims:
    1. Are you safe now?
    2. Are others in danger?
    3. Do we have an obligation to warn?
    4. Have you reported the crime & criminal to LE?
    5. Are your needs being met- physical, emotional, spiritual, social (friends in support)?
    6. Can I assist in connecting you with resources?
    7. Is there anything else I may do to help?

  32. Ava Aaronson: The pulpiteers are often not wage-earners like Paul was, but on the dole.

    The closest thing we have to first century pulpiteers are “bi-vocational” pastors who work full-time day jobs and part-time at the church. I’ve been in churches where some of those servants worked long hours to minister to their congregations.

  33. Max: I’ve been in churches where some of those servants worked long hours to minister to their congregations.

    Hopefully in a pastor’s teaching, he brings the other 17 gifts of the Holy Spirit to the Body of Christ on board, with all actively offering their gifts just like the pastor is doing. 18 gifts. Pastoring is one gift out of 18. 17 more to share the work.

    Is a pastor afraid others may have to get paid like him?
    Is he afraid others will screw things up? Is he afraid they won’t know what they’re doing? Or they might infringe on his leadership? They might wanna be boss? They might want credit? Steal his shine? Steal his thunder?

  34. “ Breaking contact with my mother was the best thing I ever did. People say you miss them when they’re gone, but sometimes you realize that life is much better without them.
    I am obviously not happy that things ended like that but I tried over a couple of decades and nothing would put it right. Forgiving her without changing the relationship would have just been a free pass to continue. “

    John Berry,
    You had no control over the situation. In the end, you did the only thing you could do, and I think it was the right thing to do.

    Forgiving someone does not mean that you have to continue to tolerate abuse.
    If I were in your situation, and she had profusely apologized and showed all of the outward signs of attempting to change her behavior, I could not have helped but keep my guard up, always.

  35. Molly245:
    So, as a child abused by adults in authority, what is my responsibility as a Christian in terms of forgiveness?

    I am very sorry you were hurt by adults (I imagine, to some degree, “trusted” adults!). I have been very impacted by a book by Lewis Smedes, “The Art of Forgiving.” He doesn’t soft-pedal forgiveness into something that re-abuses victims and empowers/excuses abusers but also does not rob forgiveness of its power and meaning. He makes it “doable,” without violating conscience or glossing over the trauma. His take on forgiveness is to openly acknowledge the abuse; don’t explain it away or take some degree of responsibility for it. Then, begin a process of abandoning vengeance fantasies and hatred, although anger is not to be suppressed or glossed over. Along the way, an appeal for justice is important, both immediate justice (such as reporting abuse to police/authorities, etc.) and trusting in God’s consistent hatred of all abuse, love for victims, and the certainty of His justice (though frustratingly, often delayed!)
    Smedes model really worked for me, as it does not demand or expect some sort of forced reconciliation without repentance, and also avoids all suggestions that the victim is somehow responsible to be chummy with the abuser, or that forgiveness is something to be done for the abuser. Smedes sees forgiveness as something a victim does for him/herself, for their own healing, NOT that of the abuser. Blessings, Ken

  36. Reading here…I’m reminded of the hard won, gentle, yet fierce wisdom of those who’ve been grievously hurt while trying to walk with Jesus. So often, those souls emerge wiser, more loving and compassionate, yes, more Christ-like than before. It can only be produced by the Spirit of the Living God. Thank you Lord Jesus!

  37. Kenneth J Garrett,

    I inferred that forgiveness is letting myself off the hook for “not doing the salient thing about” the wrongdoer e.g church betrayer (Holy Week theme).

    Yes report. Yes warn others. None of this will touch the wrongdoer except invisibly help remove some of the further occasions of sin from their path.

    Dan Allender in Bold Love describes the very different forms that practical forgiveness should take towards:

    – evil people
    – the codependent
    – ordinary sinners

    Sometimes by our prayers – even unwitting ones – an evil person slides with difficulty into the codependent grouping. Sometimes a codependent person, with difficulty, into the ordinary sinners section.

  38. Todd Wilhelm: “move on.”

    I think a better phrase is “move along” as a prophetic member of one of my churches told me. I think: hopping sideways on the branch and leaving plenty of room for Peter and Paul (affected differently or not directly) to fly away in their own right time. My memory might stay with me to gain further insight into but my attitude will con tin ue supportive of everyone else’s ministry.

  39. Ava Aaronson: Too bad it doesn’t bother their funders. The pulpiteers are often not wage-earners like Paul was, but on the dole.

    Predators on top taking instead of producing, straight out of Veblen’s Theory of the Leisure Class.
    (Veblen was a little-known but probably THE WEIRDEST Economist of the late 19th Century.)