Some so speak in exaggerations and superlatives that we need to make a large discount from their statements before we can come at their real meaning. Tryon Edwards link
This weekend, my husband and I were blessed to be a part of a contingent of folks who came to Eagle's baptism. As Eagle took the plunge, there were quite a few people shouting his name and clapping. His grin, upon surfacing, was wider than the front door of the church! We met Mr and Mrs Happy Mom, Joy Huff and her awesome husband as well as some of Eagle's friends. It was as if we had known each other forever.
The next person who says there is no community in blogging will get slapped upside the head by Dee. Tears were shed at church and loud laughs were heard throughout a certain Chili's in Fairfax. Then there was a photo of a certain blogger outside of an SGM church… I am in awe of the strength, honesty and love all of these folks. This weekend was Dee's best weekend of 2013, hands down! Praise God!
In fact, Dee is back and fired up and really irritated by the same old covered wagons circling around Driscoll. In my opinion,Driscoll gave up any credibility that he had over the last few years. His treatment of Paul Petry and Bent Myer, the quiet yet significant departure of Wendy Alsup, his pornovisions link, his staff turnover and his outright derogatory interview with Justin Brierly in which he managed to insult the interviewer along with the entire British church while fussing about "authority" is enough to negate any need to give him the benefit of the doubt. The critique is his fault.
The red herring of who hung up on who: Keep the main thing, the main thing.
This is a typical abusive tactic. Make someone else the problem. Let me remind you, Mefferd was confronting Driscoll about 14 pages of alleged plagiarism. That is huge! Mefferd believed that Driscoll hung up on her. Driscoll denies it. Both sides have released the audios on this hoopla. I posted the Driscoll side on Friday.
Here is Mefferd's side.
From Bobby, the producer in Dallas.
Here is the link to the raw recorded Salem Radio Network audio file of Janet Mefferd's Nov. 21, 2013, interview with Pastor Mark Driscoll, author of "A Call to Resurgence."
It was recorded at 12p ET on Nov 21 as a mono .mp3 file for playback on air at 3p ET. It was not recorded as a multitrack session, so there would have been no way to JUST pull out Driscoll’s voice. Janet was clearly conducting the interview, and upon completion of her thoughts, Mark Driscoll failed to respond for two seconds so Janet closed the segment. No audio came through the board after Janet’s words “in your book.”
It is interesting that even on Driscoll’s own audio recording, he was silent for 9 seconds. The second voice on the Driscoll audio was Justin Dean, Driscoll’s assistant, who patched through the original call.
Did Justin hit the mute button on his end, preventing Janet from hearing Mark for the final seconds of the segment? I do not know. I can only state what occurred on our end.
I specifically left the volume up on the phone line until Janet said, "And we'll be coming back." The phone call then disconnected from Driscoll's end before the segment was completed.
FOR THE RECORD, Janet DID NOT hang up on Pastor Driscoll, nor did WE cut the interview short. We also edited nothing for the final playback.
Janet is a Christian and a journalist. She would never doctor an interview or betray her Christian testimony or journalistic ethics.
Here is the audio link from their end ftp://ftp.srnprograms.com/Driscoll/
Bobby Belt: Producer:The Janet Mefferd Show
Folks, this is not the issue but the Driscoll people want to make it the issue to avoid the messy problem of the 14 pages. The real problem is the alleged plagiarism. It is a legal issue and it calls into question Driscoll's character. Who went silent on who is not the question. However, I will add my own two cents since the Driscoll boys started this. I believe Janet Mefferd due to the years of controversy and problems that surround the ministry of Mark Driscoll.
Justin Taylor of Between Two Worlds (correction) and a Gospel Coalition blogger calls for a boycott of Mefferd's show. Why?
It is against all rules to expose the shortcomings of certain Calvinista boys as we have sadly learned from the SGM saga.
Note the non-specificity of this tweet. I am suspicious. Is he sending a warning to plagiarizing pastors and church leaders to stay away from Mefferd because she will call them on it? What does Taylor know that we don't know? Taylor has not said anything else which means he is sticking with his warning. So, what's he afraid of?
Driscoll gives the impression that he did Mefferd a favor by coming on her show.
His people called her people and asked if Mefferd would interview Driscoll. So, in fact, Mefferd is the one who did Driscoll a favor. He claims to be a graduate of one of the top communication programs in the country. I guess "top" programs neglect to teach their people that most interviewers will ask hard questions.
Driscoll should know that any interviewer has the right to ask him any questions they darn well please.
Driscoll is used to being in charge. He gets to fire good and decent people with impunity. He insults whoever he darn well pleases. And then, when the tables are turned and the people are not impressed with his obvious authority, he melts like a little girl and blames them. "Mommy, they were mean to me." Driscoll lives a life in public. He should be prepared at any moment to answer for his life and actions. He does not get to control what is asked of him outside of the fortress that is Mars Hill.
Better yet, as the self avowed expositor of Scripture, he should know that we are to be a light on the hill. Driscoll jumps up and down, trying to get people to come to his church, listen to him and give
him the church money. A church leader should be living his life in such a manner that he is not threatened by any question that anyone asks. A man who lives his life openly should be able to answer any questions about his life without difficulty. If he can't, then he needs to ask why he can't.
This dustup appears to be about "authority", gender, and pushing his book so that it starts making bank.
Let's take a look back at what he said about his disastrous interview with Justin Brierly link.
“With the release of our book, Real Marriage, we have now done literally dozens of interviews with Christians and non-Christians. The interview in question had nearly nothing to do with the book or its subject matter, which in my understanding was supposed to be the point of the interview.”
“But the one that culminated in the forthcoming article was, in my opinion, the most disrespectful, adversarial, and subjective The only questions asked were about any controversial thing I’ve ever said in the past 15 years with a host of questions that were adversarial and antagonistic.“It felt like a personally offended critic had finally gotten his chance to exercise some authority over me."
I believe that this sentence offers us a look into the psyche of Mark Driscoll. It appears that all of his interviews boil down to who is, and who is not, "in authority." He is the one in authority and will get miffed off if he thinks you are trumping his manliness. Think about the last time you had an encounter with someone who challenged you. Unless it was the police stopping you for speeding, were you assessing who had the most authority? As I look over his ministry, I believe that Driscoll must be in charge or "in authority" in any and all situations.
Given his views on women, can you imagine how this interview felt to him? Not only was Mefferd the obvious leader in this interview, she is a woman. Driscoll may have perceived that he lost authority to a woman! That is the worst of all conceivable worlds for him. Note what he said to her during the interview. This is eerily similar to his response to the Brierly interview.
“Well, you’re giving me orders in front of an audience… (16:43)
A tutorial on the latest in spiritually abusive terminology as demonstrated by Mark "throw em under the bus" Driscoll.
(Driscoll to Mefferd) This is an opportunity for you to grow
TWW is dedicated to bringing our dear readers the latest in "you are about to get sandbagged" terminology. Your humble blog queen had a bit of a dustup in the last year. It seems someone was none too pleased about this blog and said individual was determined to "take charge." So, in a conversation which rapidly deteriorated, he started off by saying that I, Dee, had "grown a lot" in the past months and that I was being presented an opportunity with which to "grow" even more. That growth involved getting out of the blogging business. The conversation went rapidly downhill from there and, as you can see, Dee turned down all further growth opportunities.
An opportunity to grow means you are wrong and said individual is about to go for your jugular. When you hear the term "opportunity for growth" there is only one response. Get the heck out of there. The situation is about to go downhill and you will be to blame.
Corollary: If the individual who is presenting you with that stellar "opportunity to grow" adds the following which is heard in the interview
(Mark to Janet) I will try to receive what you say graciously and humbly
you are about to get exponentially shafted. CJ Mahaney is the author of the "true humility" and he was appointed to mentor Mark Driscoll. You all know how that turned out.
Tyndale House, Driscoll and the Resurgence are now closely tied.
In fact, Driscoll is drumming up business for them link.
We’ve reached an agreement with Tyndale House Publishers to publish numerous titles under a new imprint called Resurgence Publishing (the last two books with the Re:Lit name will be released this spring). Tyndale will publish all of my (Pastor Mark’s) work moving forward, in addition to other Resurgence authors whom we’ll announce in the coming months. We’ll kick things off this fall with the launch of my next book. (ed note: The book in question in this interview!)
Tyndale and Resurgence are about as close as you can get to a perfect match. For our part, we produce a ton of content—books, study guides, curriculums—and Tyndale offers a unique combination of theological integrity, practical knowledge, and industry experience that is rare in the world of Christian publishing.
“We are honored to be the publishing partner for Resurgence Publishing,” says Ron Beers, senior vice president for the Tyndale House Publishing Group. “Resurgence and Mars Hill are known for engaging culture with biblical truth—no easy task these days. They do this with excellence and in highly creative ways, without compromising the biblical message. This is also Tyndale’s sweet spot, and together I hope and pray that we will be used by the Holy Spirit to help spark a resurgence of genuine faith in our country and in other countries around the world.”
We’re very excited to see what God does with this new partnership. We pray that our work together results in many useful tools that help Christians everywhere grow in relationship with Jesus, live for him, and lead others to him.
Well, in my opinion, this is not a stellar way to start a joint "ministry" of "integrity."
- First and foremost, this is not about ministry. It is about the Christian book industry and they intend to make bank.
- Secondly, who in the world is doing the vetting of these books? Don't editors check for copyright issues? Who is going to keep up with the promised "tons" of books?
- Thirdly, is it "humble" to say that this money making enterprise is going to be the key to "spark a resurgence?" I guess all those other Christian out there slogging around in the ditches: homeless shelters, at risk youth, missionaries, etc. are not going to spark a resurgence in the world. We need Mark's books to do that. What in the world did the Christian church do until this alliance? Good night!
Things are really bad when Carl Trueman speaks out against Driscoll's appearance on Mefferd's show.
Yes, that Carl Trueman! The guy who was on the three man panel that exonerated CJ Mahaney. He exonerated Mahaney but he is none too pleased with Driscoll. Can you imagine? Things with Driscoll must be really, really bad. Trueman first spoke well of Janet Mefferd (who has been an advocate for those speaking out against SGM and child sex abuse). Then he said link
the fall-out from The Janet Mefferd Show has been interesting even as it has been entirely predictable. The fan base and those with a vested interest in Driscoll's reputation rally around their hero while excoriating Janet Mefferd. In so doing, they ironically demonstrate why shows such as Janet Mefferd's can be so very important: if the conservative evangelical world continues to be increasingly dominated by one or two huge media-style organizations, the conversation will be corralled and controlled, the hard questions will not be asked, and the leaders of such organizations and those over whom they choose to extend their patronage will not be held to account.
If, in your quest to promote yourself, you ask to appear on a particular show, you should be tough enough to take whatever that show throws at you with equanimity
Wade Burleson compared the books side by side and his conclusion is devastating link.
My wife wisely challenged me not to draw a judgment without doing research on my own. Of course, she was right. So I bought Dr. Jones' book One or Two and Mark Driscoll's book A Call to Resurgence. I already had Jones' The God of Sex. I read the Jones' books and Driscoll's book and was stunned. The similarities in the wording and the concepts of "one-ism" and "two-ism" were bizarre. The wording, the thought patterns, and the concepts in Jones' book and Driscoll's book were so similar, one would think the same author wrote them. In the fourteen pages Janet points out in the interview, Mark Driscoll barely acknowledges Jones, and nowhere credits him for his original ideas. For example, Driscoll uses the phrase "sex is the pagan sacrament of one-ism" - something you will not read in your everyday preacher's journal – and Mark Driscoll never gives credit to Dr. Jones for the phrase which Dr. Jones uses in The God of Sex, based on his own original research and writing on paganism. Driscoll's use of that phrase without proper credit would be deemed plagiarism among all reputable scholars and publishers. Period.
So what is the bottom line? It is quite simple. Driscoll is like a Monster Truck with a broken steering wheel. He careens around, bulldozing everyone in his wake. This time he is intent on throwing Mefferd under the bus. But this time, unlike the days in which he did the same thing to Paul Petry and Brent Myer, there are a lot more people like us, sitting in our mother's basements, keeping him honest. Also, I think Tyndale House better hire a lot more editors. Remember, Driscoll once said he wrote a sermon in two hours while watching a Seattle Seahawks game link. Imagine how quickly he could churn out a book! However, I am beginning to be suspicious about his methodology.
Lydia's Corner: Isaiah 3:1-5:30 2 Corinthians 11:1-15 Psalm 53:1-6 Proverbs 22:28-29