“I’ve talked to adults who have gone through divorce and have spent hours talking with them, interacting as I watch them attempt to recover and pick up the pieces in their lives and sort through all the emotions of what they were experiencing, trying to piece it together. And I’ve often thought, if an emotionally mature adult, supposedly fully developed as an adult, with everything in place —if they struggle trying to piece it all together and sometimes spend decades piecing together their own emotions of what they’re thinking and feeling, how can we expect a 12-year-old, a 15-year-old, or, for that matter, and 18-year-old to process this emotional earthquake that has aftershocks that go on into adulthood —how do they even interpret it? Dennis Rainey,
As a young Christian, I followed the music of many musicians. Steve Camp was one of those musicians. Camp pursued a music career for 20+ years and then became a pastor. Here is a Wikipedia entry for him.
Steven J. Camp (born April 13, 1955) is an American contemporary Christian music artist and pastor. In the tradition of Martin Luther‘s Ninety-five Theses, Camp sent out his own 107 theses on Reformation Day (October 31), 1998, calling for a reformation in contemporary Christian music: calling Christian musicians to make direct, uncompromising music that confronts the world with the message of the scriptures.
He is now a conference speaker and the pastor of a small church.
Prior to becoming a conference speaker and lecturer, Camp was a popular contemporary Christian music singer-songwriter. In 1977, he signed a recording contract with Myrrh Records, releasing several songs as a solo artist. In 1983, Camp signed a contract with Sparrow Records, with whom he released nine successful albums. On his first album, Fire and Ice, Camp paired up with Michele Pillar to sing “Love’s Not A Feeling”. In 1989, Camp released his 10th studio album, Justice, on which he recorded a duet with BeBe Winans, entitled “Do You Feel Their Pain?” After Camp’s contract with Sparrow ended in 1992, he signed with Warner Alliance, with whom he released 2 albums. On his 1993 release Taking Heaven By Storm, Camp teamed up with veteran keyboardist and songwriter Michael Omartian, and together they produced a series of No. 1 hits in a single year (1994), including a contemporary remake of “The Lord’s Prayer”. Later that same year, he released a worship-themed project titled Mercy in the Wilderness.
Steve divorced his first wife and remarried the mother of M.
As a young Christian, he created a close bond with legendary Christian singer/songwriter Larry Norman, who gave him advice concerning Camp’s own singing and songwriting. In addition, he met the late Keith Green, who encouraged him to make a stronger commitment to Jesus and the ministry of music. Camp was divorced from his first wife prior to 2002.[1] He remarried on June 19, 2009.[2] He is unrelated to Jeremy Camp, a fellow Christian rock musician.[3] Camp is now the senior pastor of The Cross Church in Palm City, Florida.[4]
I understand his church has a regular attendance of under 100. When his name came up, I remember enjoying lots of musicians who came out of the Jesus Revolution. (Good movie, BTW, despite its flaw of overlooking the path of Lonnie Frisbee.) Here is a link to the church resources. You will find them heavily weighted towards many Reformed ministries.
Their blended families
Steve and his first wife had five children.
Cindy, his second wife, brought two children to the marriage-a boy and a girl. M is her daughter and prefers to be known by that name.
M and her stepdad.
I was eager to speak with his stepdaughter, M, who told me how difficult it was to have Camp come into her life as a young teen. According to M, Steve was inappropriate in some of his interactions with her while her other struggled with alcoholism.
The following are allegations, but I believe them to be true. M and I had many discussions, and there is more to the story, but we boiled it down to the essential concerns.
He discussed his sex life with M’s mom in front of M
M’s mom was present when he announced to all present that he had “great sex” with M’s Mom. This happened on more than one occasion when M was 15. She asked him not to talk about that in front of her. He appeared defensive and continued to comment like that when M was around.
He would grab her upper leg, about 7 inches above the knee, when he was driving in the car with her alone. He would turn the grasp into a joke each time he did this. He finally stopped as M got older, around 18.
Camp appeared almost naked before M, wrapped only in a small towel.
He used a shower outside and regularly tromped through the house when M was alone, wrapped only in a small towel. There was no reason that he couldn’t change into clothes before coming through the house.
Oddly, he required M to be fully clothed before leaving her bathroom. This was confusing to her.
Camp made fun of M and her mom when they affectionately touched one another.
He did not like them holding hands with one another. Also, he did not want the mom to give her daughter back rubs. He called them “queer” when she was 15.
M’s mom struggled with alcohol but became sober over ten years ago.
M is proud of her mom. However, while M is proud of her sobriety, she is concerned that her mother never had a transparent discussion with her about the damage done to their relationship due to her drinking.. She believes her mother took them away from her dad. M claims her mother demonstrated behavior consistent with narcissistic abuse. She subjected M to harm from both Steve and herself.
When she struggled, Steve told M that her mom was “prostituting herself” to buy alcohol. There is no evidence that this is true, and statements like this caused much confusion for M.
Steve and his treatment of the pet dogs.
Jack, M’s Jack Russell terrier, bit her mom when M was 10 or 11. Her mom & sSeve had probably been dating for a little under a year. They made an appointment to get the pet euthanized and did so within two days. They immediately brought home a new pet: a beagle/foxhound mix.
On two other occasions, Steve and M’s mom brought two other dogs to the vet and were told they were sick. They quickly euthanized both dogs while M was at work. They texted her after the dogs were put down, giving her no time to say goodbye. One text about the death of the dog was received when she was at work.
They adopted a Labradoodle and promised that this dog was in its forever home. They then gave the dog away.
In front of M, Steve sometimes said to the dogs, “I’m gonna take you out and shoot you.” This caused much distress for M. However, he never followed through on his threats to shoot the dogs
The guitar incident
Did Steve attempt to control M by insisting on providing transportation to M to jobs, etc.?
He would routinely make her late for work. Then he would habitually insist that she leave work “early” because he had things to do. M perceived his supposedly necessary errands as routinely “nonessential.” She perceived that this was his way of controlling her.
The Casey Anthony situation
I think this is important since it puts a lot of stress on the family. After Casey’s controversial exoneration in 2011, she was released from prison. Camp offered his home to her, and she stayed there off and on from 2011-2012. This put even more stress on the family as the press often surrounded the house—M questions why this stress is added to a family already dealing with unresolved issues.
The abusive courtship with E
M was 15 when she met E Lancelot (He is known as E) at Regenerated, a meeting for teens and young adults at Steve’s church, The Cross. E met with Steve and asked to court her. Steve said to wait until M becomes 18. He was four years older than her.
E continued to contact her by phone, and his conversations with her became more sexual as she reached 17. When she turned 18, E engaged in phone sex with her. When M turned 19, she was coerced into initiating a sexual relationship. She was very uncomfortable. Steve discovered this and threatened to stop E, but nothing happened.
Eventually, M broke up with E when she discovered he was cheating. He had used his spiritual leadership to coerce her. E eventually became involved at The Grove Church, which David Hancock pastors. E Lancelot is now the Worship Pastor. Hancock was notified by M in 2023 about her problems with E. So far, he continues as a worship leader.
Today, M is married and happily living away from Steve in another state. M believes she was wounded both by Steve and E.
My thoughts on M’s complex story.
Divorce and remarriage are hard, even in the best of circumstances. The parents must make an incredible effort to provide a stable and loving home for the kids forced to endure uncomfortable behavior. I believe Steve’s actions in front of his stepdaughter were confusing and concerning.
For example, M did not want him to talk about the “great sex’ he had with her mother. Steve allegedly refused to stop this discussion. One has to wonder why? Was it so he could flaunt his sexuality in front of his stepdaughter? This possibility is alarming. Did he walk around the house wrapped only in a small towel for the same reason? Why did he grab his daughter’s leg well above the knee? Why did he sexualize a simple show of affection between the biological mom and her daughter? Did such shows of affection cause him to feel slighted? Why did he call it “queer”? He appeared to sexualize normal mother-and-daughter affection. This would be confusing for adults, let alone a teen.
M was put between a rock and a hard place in this new marriage. Her mother, for a short period, was an excessive drinker. At the same time, Camp seemed to control the stepdaughter’s ability to hold a job. Did his lack of control over his wife’s drinking make him look for control in other areas?
Why did Pastor Hancock and Pastor Steve not deal with E? He is still in his position as a worship pastor since M reported it to the church. Surely his behavior would disqualify him from his position. The lack of response on the part of David Hancock is confusing.
Finally, Steve is involved with Reformed ministries, some of which are authoritarian. When his friends hear this story, will they speak about confession and repentance with him? Somehow I don’t see it. Being involved in some of these groups means never having to say you’re sorry.
M’s motivation in writing this is the hope that it will bring about change in the lives of those that she wrote about. She loves her family and acres deeply for their well being.
I have enjoyed my many conversations with M and am delighted she is in a healthy relationship and enjoying her music. Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers.
“In the tradition of Martin Luther’s Ninety-five Theses, Camp sent out his own 107 theses on Reformation Day …”
A person with 107 “theses” (opinions?) about Contemporary Christian Music is ipso facto a kook. No other information needed.
Sexual hangups were well entrenched by the Jesus freaks’ time, as this child intuited, and I also intuited the attempts at “normalising” it.
“We are free indeed”.
But the opposite, “young reformed”, materialist dialectic has only strengthened the identical effect.
Also, so called spiritual thinking miscategorises manias as “enthusiasm”, I have seen countless times.
Sigh….Christian celebrity syndrome strikes again..
There are so many men in the pulpit that don’t need to be there.
“Steve is involved with Reformed ministries”
Reformed, but not transformed, obviously. There’s a bunch of those characters in reformed ministries.
Having a talent to sing Christian songs doesn’t necessarily mean you are a Christian … having the ability to preach doesn’t necessarily mean you are a Christian … pastoring a church doesn’t necessarily mean you are a Christian … etc.
The American church is so undiscerning and trusting, it’s easy for a wolf to enter in shepherd’s clothing. In every community, I dare say there are one or more. They have been providing a steady stream of material for TWW posts.
“Was married last week on the same day of the birthdays of Blaise Pascal (1623), C.H. Spurgeon (1834), and John MacArthur (1939). Very cool!”
Wonder why he didn’t wait another month and be born on John Calvin’s birthday? That would have been very, very cool!
Max,
meant to say “be married” not “be born”
Oh, how I feel for M! My dad would wander through the house undressed when I was a kid, and I started avoiding him in the morning after his shower time. Both my parents discussed their new sex lives and partners with me after they divorced. My mom, now deceased, finally got a clue that some things weren’t appropriate to share with a teen. Dad never did.
I didn’t go visit either side of the family the first three months I was away from college because it was such a relief from the crazy. With some good counseling (but I was well into my 30s), I got better with boundaries. I also don’t live near any of my family so I have some control about seeing them. Some of the crazy has continued to my nieces and nephews.
Moral of these stories:adults should not share aspects of their private lives with their kids.
And vice versa when the kids become adults. Many parents end up experiencing the blow by blow of their kids’ whacked out lives. The toughest years of child-rearing are the first 50 years for some poor souls.
I know. I raised my sister’s kids for a decade. Two are doing fine, but the youngest is a train wreck.
I will pray for M, that her healthy relationship will continue and she will seek therapy as needed. So many of these ‘reformed’ types, because they are so fixated on authoritarianism, come off as narcissists. I believe many of them are. The ones I was able to escape from certainly were. Seems to be their pattern and it doesn’t look anything like Jesus.
Hats off to M for her strength. She came out of this mess on her own. No one who should have been there for her did their job. Something is definitely wrong with Camp, and M’s mother failed her.
My first husband would occasionally walk out of the bathroom completely nude. I chided him about that repeatedly. When our daughter started walking, (uhm running… she skipped walking) I told him, ordered him, to stop. He said there was nothing wrong with it. I told him I would take photographs and show his mother, his priest, and the sheriff and ask them if their was anything wrong. He stopped.
~~~~~ There were a number of things M’s mom could have/should have done.
He died when our daughter was 6, and I married again two years later. The only issue was typical adjustment was problems for my daughter. But, by the time she was 12, she loved, respected, and trusted her stepfather completely. He was, and still is, family to her. She still asks him for help and advice.
Her 4-year-old son absolutely adores him. That is how things should be for M.
Why are some Christians so messed up over sekshul stuff?
As HUG would say, they’re as effed-up as the porn-soaked secular culture is, but in the opposite direction.
In this case however, it would appear that Camp is a combination of both polarities.
The dude is as sick as a puppy with parvo.
“When Steve Camp Remarried, Did He Truly Care for His Blended Family?”
“If anyone does not care for his own family, especially for his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” (1 Timothy 5:8)
While a particular expression of faith does not completely own narcissism, there is no doubt a lot of men with this mental/spiritual disorder in reformed ranks. A growing list of bad actors reported on TWW and on other watchblogs are reformed, but not transformed. As you note, they don’t “look anything like Jesus” because they don’t know Jesus, IMO.
Stepdads sometimes have boundary issues with their stepchildren, especially the daughters: Woody Allen. It’s a thing.
Woody Allen, in his professional life which is a creative arts life, also enjoys scant boundaries between older men and younger women. This is also a thing.
Fortunately, his stepdaughter Dylan, has the support of her brother Ronan, and her biological mother, Mia.
Unfortunately, Woody Allen married his stepdaughter, Soon-Yi Previn.
Why?
“It was January 1992 when Mia Farrow discovered that her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn, was involved in a relationship with her then-boyfriend, Woody Allen.
“‘[I] was at his apartment because I wasn’t working that day,’ Farrow explained in HBO’s documentary series, ‘Allen v. Farrow’.
“‘[There was a] stack of Polaroid pictures, of pornographic pictures of a woman, a girl. And I picked them up, and I realized all of them were of Soon-Yi. It was my own child,’ she continued.”
“‘They wouldn’t put them in Playboy,’ Farrow said of the photos. ‘They were Hustler pictures. Really, really raunchy pictures.'”
“At the time, Allen was 56 and Previn was 21.”
mamamia.com.au/woody-allen-kids/
A picture is worth 1,000 words, so the answer to Why? is evident.
Today, Allen (87yo) and Previn (52yo) have two adopted daughters that they have raised together; the adopted daughters (23yo, 24yo) are both now in college.
https://www.mamamia.com.au/woody-allen-kids/
“M was 15 when she met E Lancelot … [4 yrs her senior] his conversations with her became more sexual as she reached 17. When she turned 18, E engaged in phone sex with her. When M turned 19, she was coerced into initiating a sexual relationship. She was very uncomfortable.”
As an adult young Christian man in leadership, he groomed a youth group Christian teen girl, then when she was “old enough”, he pounced.
He is still in church leadership. Is there a trail of groomed and pounced on that he leaves in his wake, wherever he goes?
Note to girls, teen girls, women, ladies: not every guy does this – although there seems to be quite a few in churches, targeting the youth group girls. In any case: stay away from THAT guy.
Thank you, M, for graciously sharing your story. God bless you and renew you to be the wonderful strong amazing person He created you to be. How generous of you to share, so that others may be warned. This happens.
“According to M, [stepdad] Steve was inappropriate in some of his interactions with her [his stepdaughter] while her mother struggled with alcoholism.
“The following are allegations, but I believe them to be true. M and I had many discussions, and there is more to the story, but we boiled it down to the essential concerns.
“He discussed his sex life with M’s mom in front of M …”
And there was inappropriate touching, walking through the home cavalierly near buck naked, etc.
This is all considered sexual harassment. Yup, a stepdad who sexually harasses his teenage stepdaughter.
Pervert. Not cute. At all. However, perverted in spades. The lifelong locker room boy in a man’s body. Married with children/stepchildren and the responsibilities of a man, but in reality nothing but an overgrown continually sex-adjacent middle-schooler in a man’s body which at his age makes him a pervert.
Except for the explicit mention of “phone sex”, this is the exact same pattern I observed among Alpha Males (varsity football jocks) during my time in High School Hell, four year age difference and all. Senior football jock would stake out and claim freshman girl as his, they’d be an item for the four years until she graduated, and marry as soon as she turned 18. During this process, the rest of us Beta-to-Omega Males stayed away if they knew what was good for them.
P.S. “Lancelot”, not “Lance”? Really?
Anyone who names their kid “Lancelot” does not know the whole story of Lancelot Du Lac in late-period Arthurian lore. Just like the Christians (Focus on the Family? Vision Forum?) who named one of their Teen Purity projects “Lancelot L-something”.
Sexual Harassment with overtones of Incest only to Godless HEATHENS, NOT when done by the Godly.
Among the Godly, it’s Paterfamilias having sexual rights over his entire gens and property.
Same reason as Islam – UTTER PREDESTINATION.
“IN’SHAL’LAH!”
That anything like JFJr “discussing” the size of his shlong – specifically how he was hung so huge she coulsn’t handle it?
Or just the usual arrested-development “HERE’S WHAT I GOT THAT YOU DON’T! HAW! HAW! HAW!”?
“They have never left high school. They will never leave high school. And they will never, ever let the rest of us leave Their high school.”
Not a multi-campus Mega? Amazing!
“Was married last week on the same day of the birthdays of Blaise Pascal (1623), C.H. Spurgeon (1834), and John MacArthur (1939). Very cool!”
Auspicious Day, as if chosen by his Astrologer with overtones of Bethel grave-soaking.
Lonnie Frisbee has been doubleplusunperson since Papa Chuck started writing the Official History of Calvary Chapel. Like Dave Arneson to Gary Gygax.
From the frosh girls’ POV: “seniors looking for fresh meat” – so beware.
Churches’ Sunday night cool young folks worship services can play to this, too: old guy extreme sports jocks on the prowl, hunting among the innocent naïve Christian high school/college/young working girls. The has-been tanned buff over-the-hill been-around-the-block sports freaks seek fresh meat. Gross. Obscene. In full view.
The church starts the evening with a coffee/hot chocolate bar ice-breaker in the roaming area outside the sanctuary where the girls sip their frothy creamy lattes and frappes while the old guys troll.
When the rock band on stage in the sanctuary starts up, they all gravitate to their seats for hopping loud in-your-face worship.
The whole scene is to attract young people to church. Somehow, right on cue, these old guys living like they’re forever up for the Iron Man competitions, show up stalking prey – the much younger girls they hope to impress then entrap, use, and discard. Game on.
The pastor emerges from the fog machines in his skinny jeans and big bucks sneakers at the mic when the music dies down. However, he isn’t going to address the activities of lusty old men targeting younger fresh-faced naïve church girls, right before him in his very own church. Pastor may have his own side chicks gigs going on.
If it looks like a duck, walks & talks like a duck, it’s a duck. If church looks like a hunting ground, functions and supplies prey while giving free reign to hunters like a hunting ground, then church is a hunting ground.
How did we get here? Patriarchy elevating men, pastor-centric churches elevating male pastors as idols, women as subjects with even their own bodies and persons not under their own control as they are denied agency, using the church for success and power (goons with power, grift as in tithe or turn over your earned wages, graft as in cheap grace for the empowered doing as they please).
Maybe the vowel in the word is wrong. Perhaps a misspelling. Typo.
The troll “boys” – way-past-primetime guys with grey & white feathery-tipped sideburns – take theirs straight up neat. Nothing frothy about their laser focus on their targets.
If Pastor Steve Camp had been born on Calvin’s birthday, then he could say it was predestined, that he was one of the elect, and that he was meant to be a pastor.
(In his next comment, Max corrected what he wrote to say that he’d meant to say “be married”, not “be born”.)
Or perhaps it isn’t the vowel that is a “typo”, but a consonant.
Meant to add a after the word consonant.
Very big sigh. My smiley faces didn’t show. 🙁
Meant to add a 🙂 after the word consonant.
(And my apologies for all the comments made to correct one comment. 🙁 )
No worries. All is well.
When the fishers of men-women-girls-boys reserve the fillets for the pampered elite (those they in codependency seek brownie points from) throwing these people’s skeleton to the cats (to enmesh them into codependency in turn) (switch, never mind the bait).
Depriving each kind of person of backbone or the ability to exercise.
When the fishers of doctrine fillet and debone Jesus’ and the apostles’ and Holy Spirit’s and Holy Scriptures’ teachings and life. Making our God grotesque.
Thin Grey Ponytails.
And that HE is the True Heir to the Iron Throne of Calvin in Geneva.
“Take THAT, Pious Piper!”
Does he have such a large ego that when his stepdaughter says “I am not comfortable with you talking about your sex life with my mom in front of me?” that he goes into a Don’t Tell Me What to Do mode? Instead of “I’m sorry. I just wanted to let you know how much I love your mom and how happy we are, but I see your point. There are other ways I can express this.” Nope. Humble leadership in homes and the pulpit seems difficult to find. If you are reading here M, I am so very sorry you had to endure this and am glad you live far away from them now.
“I understand his church has a regular attendance of under 100.”
Good Lord! Based on what I read, why would he have more than that attending ‘his’ church?! I hope it’s WAY under 100. There’s an interesting dynamic in the American church where some folks look for pastors who walk and talk no differently than them … it makes them feel better about themselves. The unholy like to camp out where pure and holy doesn’t occupy the pulpit.
They are a rare & endangered species … a needle buried in a haystack … a precious treasure buried in a field.
Never underestimate the Entitlement and Arrogance of God’s Speshul Pets.
It’s literally impossible.
A Cosmic Monster like something out of H.P.Lovecraft.
“They have never left high school. They will never leave high school. And they will never ever let any of us leave their high school.”
Our family has been adopting children since the 1860s. We have few divorces, but some stepparents due to remarriage after widowhood.
In my personal experience, introducing a stepparent does put the new family through a taxing adjustment. But I’d like to highlight, in my family, the couple who adopted an orphaned infant; the stepfather who pulled a mother and four children out of poverty; the stepfather who offered his biological children a second home, away from an abusive alcoholic mother (who divorced him, btw); and others.
Countless families are not biological. Adoptive parents and stepparents do not deserve to be lumped in with Woody Allen.
I never heard about the frosh fresh meat complaining.
More like they were elevated and/or overwhelmed by such a high-ranking Alpha Male having the hots for them. Said girls were probably around 14, not long past puberty, and at that inexperienced age a lot of your bingo balls are still floating in the draw tank.
I remember several girls I went through grade school with when they reached High School all turned their backs on me to start chasing the alpha male jocks. The damage from that mass rejection is still there.
And as adults, well, there are a LOT of arrested development cases still stuck at that level. Among the big names, someone made a case for Bill Got Hard being stuck at early puberty (80 going on 12) and Womb Tomb Swanson still looks and acts like a High School Omega Geek who’s now in a power position to take Revenge. And the schoolyard hypermasculinity you see from Adolf Hitler to Andrew Tate.
Right, who would care, write an article or listen to a person complain about their strange step-father, if this were just joe blow?
No good person deserves to be “lumped in” with an evil person.
However, stats (quantitative research AKA data) expose demographics wherein
-a victim finds support
-behavioral scientists develop profiles & red flags
-the rest of us find awareness…
without “lumping” all good people with the, smaller numbers but immeasurably damaging and profile-able, monsters embedded among us.
Moreover, lived experience AKA qualitative research or case studies (such as Woody Allen) provide indepth analysis to expose the monsters embedded in a larger overall wonderful demographic.
Example:
“About 34% of the women killed in the U.S. in 2021 died at the hands of an intimate partner, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics. Only about 6% of the men killed in the U.S. in 2021 died from intimate partner homicide. What are the reasons behind why some husbands kill their wives?” From Statista.
God bless all the good guys that love their wives. God bless all the non-biological parents who do the right thing.
May both quantitative and qualitative research expose criminality, for the benefit of our greater communities.
Bob M,
I wish you could hear me speak with people daily. I have, and will continue to, write about anybody who has a joe blow stepfather Pain is pain, no matter how well known is the person. I am one person who will write their story.
Thank you, Dee. God love you.
Statistically, you are making an excellent argument that women should all stay away from men. Forgive me, my dear sister in Christ, but men are people, stepfathers are people, adoptive fathers are people, and stastics should not cast suspicion on people. Peace.
There is nothing ‘ennobling’ about pain, or God’s ‘teaching’ you through pain that couldn’t have been learned by other means.
Shmuley Boteach’s The Fed up Man of Faith argues this thesis convincingly.
Already anticipated you, Ava:
“Thats NOT Scripture! Show me SCRIPTURE!”
— PastorRaulReesCalvaryChapelWestCovina (all one word), any time anyone tried to reason with him on the air
“The difference between a religion and a cult is a religion teaches you to love life while a cult teaches you to fear death.” — Rabbi Boteach
Dee, my friend, I am not criticizing you. I am merely saying that this young girl’s plight would not garner any attention if her step dad were not a former famous worship dude. My heart goes out to all. I have a daughter and granddaughters and I have a heart. Keep up the good work
I don’t have to hear those conversations; I hear your heart. Because you care for the abused and broken-hearted, Ole Max shows up here daily to support your mission.
Max,
Amen