“It is when we notice the dirt that God is most present in us; it is the very sign of His presence.” CS Lewis
What you are about to read transpired in the course of this last week.
Four SBC wise men exonerate Johnn Hunt. (Watch how quickly this story develops.)
On 11/30 22, Baptist Press posted Panel of four male pastors clearsJohnny Hunt to return to ministry.
Six months after publicly admitting sexual misconduct, Southern Baptist pastor and denominational leader Johnny Hunt has been cleared to return to ministry by a group of four male pastors who have been counseling him.
Of the 70-year-old Hunt, one of those spiritual advisers declared: “We believe the greatest days of ministry for Johnny Hunt are the days ahead.”
That comment from Steven Kyle, pastor of Hiland Park Baptist Church in Panama City, Fla., exemplifies the upbeat tone of a 14-minute video that features Kyle, along with pastors Mark Hoover, Mike Whitson and Benny Tate. After the four pastors give testimony to Hunt’s repentance and hard work, Hunt and his wife, Janet, appear. Hunt offers thanks to those who have supported him and expresses his excitement about “the next chapter of our lives.” Janet Hunt does not speak.
Go to the video and learn all sorts of wondrous things.
- Johnny Hunt used this process to restore over 400 fallen pastors in the past. (Oh great…)
- These pastors had him join another church (the church of his restoration), so they could do this instead of his long-time Hunt’s FBC Woodstock.
- What do they teach in SBC seminaries?
- It miffed me off that they used Hunt’s wife as a prop in the video. She doesn’t look happy.
- They found that Hunt, six months after the assault allegations surfaced, should be restored to ministry.
What did Hunt do?
Hunt now claims this alleged assault was a consensual act. Here is a synopsis from Wikipedia.
In May 2022 he resigned from the North American Mission Board after a report investigating the Southern Baptist Convention’s handling of sex abuse cases was released and included an accusation that he had sexually assaulted another pastor’s wife in 2010 which the report found credible. Hunt denied the accusation.[9] The Guideposts Report states: “We include this sexual assault allegation in the report because our investigators found the pastor and his wife to be credible; their report was corroborated in part by a counseling minister and three other credible witnesses; and our investigators did not find Dr. Hunt’s statements related to the sexual assault allegation to be credible.”[10]
Johnny Hunt has since admitted to allegations but claims the encounter was consensual.
Many abuse advocates, of which I’m one, believe the Guidepost account and do not believe Hunt should ever be involved in ministry again.
Did Hunt need to be exonerated to speak at a conference?
Here is a tweet from Todd.
I particularly liked this tweet from Robert Downen, who also nailed it.
(12/1) And chaos ensued.
Bart Barber condemns restoration, calls it a sham, calls Hunt a liar, and hints that Hunt may be permanently disqualified from being in ministry. However, he can’t do anything about it.
Once again, the rather impressive SBC president, Bart Barber, wades onto the morass as reported in SBC president blasts idea of Johnny Hunt’s ‘restoration’ to ministry.
In a highly unusual move, the current president of the Southern Baptist Convention has denounced the “restoration” of a former SBC president to ministry six months after public allegations of sexual abuse.
“The idea that a council of pastors, assembled with the consent of the abusive pastor, possesses some authority to declare a pastor fit for resumed ministry is a conceit that is altogether absent from Baptist polity and from the witness of the New Testament. Indeed, it is repugnant to all that those sources extol and represent,”
…Barber, the current SBC president, was emphatic in his Nov. 30 statement that the so-called “restoration” of Hunt by a hand-picked group of pastors is a sham.
“In 2021, the messengers of the Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting adopted a resolution ‘On Abuse and Pastoral Qualifications.’ I was a member of that committee. I contributed significantly to the content of this resolution. It reads, in part, ‘any person who has committed sexual abuse is permanently disqualified from holding the office of pastor.’ This is the sentiment of the Southern Baptist Convention.”
Timothy Pigg removes Hunt (but not the rest) from the conference.
Within hours of Barber’s post, the sponsoring pastor of the Great Commission Weekend said he had asked Hunt not to participate this year. However, the original publicity including Hunt’s name and photo remained on the church website and on the pastor’s Twitter feed the next day.
“In a stroke of naivete, I did not in wisdom allow enough time to pass before inviting Dr. Johnny Hunt,” said Timothy Pigg. “Therefore, in light of this oversight of wisdom, I have asked Dr. Johnny Hunt to step aside from being with us at our 2023 Great Commission Weekend.”
The real problem for the SBC is autonomous churches doing their own thing and the leaders having little (if any) authority to stop them.
I would permanently ‘defrock’ Johnny Hunt if I had the authority to do so. In a fellowship of autonomous churches, I do not have the authority to do so. Yet it must be said that neither do these four pastors have the authority to declare Johnny Hunt to be ‘restored.’
For example, Hunt spent over 40 years building FBC Woodstock, where he was pastor emeritus until the abuse allegations surfaced. Theoretically (or is it theologically?), he should be under the care of that church. But, when the going gets tough, ditch the theology and join another church like the church of the guy that exonerated you. According to the Christian Post: SBC head rejects claim ex-president Johnny Hunt has been restored to ministry after abuse alleIt’son:
Hunt served as pastor emeritus at First Baptist Church Woodstock, Georgia, and was a vice president of the SBC’s North American Mission Board. From 2008 to 2010, Hunt served as president of the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.
He was suspended by the church in June after allegations he sexually assaulted a younger pastor’s wife in 2010 were deemed credible by an investigation. He is now a member of Kyle’s Hiland Park Baptist Church in Panama City.
As I watch the SBC continuing to split into factions, I wonder how long they will hold together. It’s just so easy to do whatever one wants in this denomination of autonomous churches. Sometimes it seems they are more interested in Saddleback church and their women pastors than in dealing with the issues of alleged abusive pastors and those who indulge them. Could there be lawsuits in the near future?
I wonder what the Sex Abuse Task Force thinks about all of this?
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“Johnny Hunt used this process to restore over 400 fallen pastors in the past. (Oh great…)”
Whoa! Now I’m scared.
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“they used Hunt’s wife as a prop in the video. She doesn’t look happy”
No surprise. SBC has a history of using women in roles they choose … rather than releasing them in the Body of Christ with their God-given gifts.
“She doesn’t look happy” … the “beauty of complementary” does not produce a happy countenance.
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“Barber, the current SBC president, was emphatic in his Nov. 30 statement that the so-called “restoration” of Hunt by a hand-picked group of pastors is a sham.”
Could it be that SBC finally has a bold, honest, anointed voice in the office of President … rather than one of the good ole boys in the elite inner ring? Will others join Pastor Barber in this new choir or continue to sing the old tune?
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“I have asked Dr. Johnny Hunt to step aside from being with us at our 2023 Great Commission Weekend.” (Timothy Pigg)
But what about the other characters scheduled to speak at the conference?:
“I have personally written stories about almost half of these guys allegedly mishandling and/or committing sexual abuse. Three others are longtime Paige Patterson friends.” (Robert Downen)
Good Lord! Is this the best that SBC has to offer at a Great Commission conference?! The Great Commission deserves better representation, in my humble (but accurate) opinion. Stop dragging out the old gang … with over 15 million Southern Baptists, surely there are others who are better fit to represent Jesus at this conference.
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Hunt pulled a “Mahaney.” You will recall that when the going got tough for Mr. Humility, he left Covenant Life Church (formerly Mahaney’s “happiest place on earth.”) for another Sovereign Grace cultic center, and then headed over to “O Captain, My Captain’s” church (Mark Dever’s Capitol Hill Baptist) for a season, finally leaving the scene of the crimes altogether to follow the calling of the Lord to plant a church in the already overly saturated church city of Louisville.
It’s all a carnival, a real clown show, but the destruction they leave in their path is not funny.
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I’ve been watching Dr. Les Carter’s “Surviving Narcissism” YouTube channel, and he’s got this great quote: “The narcissist wants the most power, admiration, and loyalty with the least amount of accountability.”
That describes the pastoral position in so many churches.
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Are they anything like the “Ten Godly Men” who wield Absolute Power at every level of a Seven Mountains Mandate CHRISTIAN Nation?
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and that is why I comment on TWW … I’ve seen the misery on the ground created by these imposters and carry a burden to speak into it … as an old guy, I should be whittling or fishing rather than participating in the blogosphere, but here I am
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“Sometimes it seems they are more interested in Saddleback church and their women pastors than in dealing with the issues of alleged abusive pastors and those who indulge them.”
SBC’s good ole boys probably view the Saddleback distraction as a gift from God, since it’s taken a bit of the spotlight off of the way they have (or haven’t) handled sex abuse in their ranks. I suppose they think that allowing women to use their spiritual gifts is a bigger scandal.
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Todd Wilhelm,
Good review of Mahaney.
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Well stated.
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No, Max, Barber is one of the good old boys. There is no bravery in his statements, just great PR IMO. Also, nothing is going to be done about sexual abuse in the SBC during his presidency.
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Yep. It is more like 4 wise guys, but not in the funny sense of the phrase.
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Mrs. Sills, Mrs. Chandler, Mrs. Hunt ……….
Living proof of how effective and beneficial the BF&M 2K “submissive wives” doctrine is ….. for wayward husbands, anyway. (Oh, and what did Tom Buck do?)
Maybe some of the more popular speakers in the SBC should preach a sermon or two on all of that sort of “beauty of complimentary.
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Such a good little wife. Sit, be quiet, and smile while Hunt talks endlessly about himself. The next chapter of Jonny’s life should not be anywhere near a church.
This entire little show is absurdity.
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As I’ve said before, things ain’t going to get any better for female believers ensnared by the “beauty of complementarity” until they rise up enmasse, declare “Enough is enough!”, and start dragging their sorry husbands out of the mess. Christ set us free, but there’s no spiritual freedom for such women.
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Thanks for your perspective about the snow job. Sorry to hear that. Looks like no real change headed toward SBC. SBC is done, it just hasn’t quit yet.
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Last Sunday the pastor says some things. He mentions he’s gotten together with fellow pastors (non-SBC) and they had a good conversation. Then he mentions some church which is willing to restore their pastor who had an affair, but doesn’t name the church. Later on he tells an anecdote about good things from the megachurch’s mission program, naming the megachurch. Knowing he’s been long-acquainted with the fallen retired megachurch pastor, I put 4 and 4 together and my judgmental unforgiving mind thinks “oh no, they’re planning to “restore” the megapastor.” I hope I’m wrong.
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Of course he goes to church in Panama City…Hunt has 1 or 2 condos to party in there….in addition to his million dollar mansion in Woodstock. I believe he’s about as dirty as they come. He’s been a long time grifter taking advantage of all that tax free money sloshing around. He’s already got a holy land cruise for sale with Janet (can’t make this stuff up) and other conferences lined up. You see it really doesn’t matter if he is “formally” accepted back into ministry…he’s got his 501c3 para-ministry organizations and a bunch of good ol’ boys he’s grifted with for decades to funnel cash his way…he’ll be just fine.
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Barber is not a member of the Conservative Baptist Network, so it might be proper to say he is one of the good old new boys.
And few of us believe much will happen with the SATF unless they have a trick up their sleeves.
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Star Trek alert…
Anyone else recognize the SBC in this clip?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=as886JnsjtQ
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MD,
Thanks for your comment. You speak truth. Hunt doesn’t need the SBC. He’s got his own thing going and is making bank.
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Todd Wilhelm,
yup…
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Wild Honey,
That was incredible! I may try to post it soon. Well done!
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sounds like he is straddling the fence … just old guard enough to mix with SBC traditionalists and new enough to hang with the NeoCals … sooner or later, he will have to decide which way he is going to go – the SBC is heading toward another split
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Document Retention and Destruction – Missing – 0/3 pts
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Johnny Hunt Ministries Inc. Assessed to be a two star charity by Charity Navigator (2019)
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Important article on neutralisation;
https://survivingchurch.org/2022/12/01/speaking-out-and-techniques-of-neutralisation/
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dee,
Yes, that is an incredible clip….
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dee,
Star Trek makes such a good social commentary.
I was watching Deep Space 9 earlier this year, before Netflix stopped streaming it, and they had a lot of zingers. Here’s another one that seems particularly appropriate to this and the previous post:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJQqCQjfO2U
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Yep, the Klingon Empire is dying.
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Must keep up with the Furticks and the Copelands.
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To Return in Triumph.
“IO, TRIOMPHE!”
The Tithes Must Flow.
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The Perfect Chrsitian Widdle Wifey.
Such a Complement to her Alpha Male Christian Hubby.
“SIT! SPEAK! ROLL OVER! HEEL! GOOOOD GIRL!”
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“4 wise guys” as in Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp?
Except nobody’s laughing.
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You could say the same about Elron Hubbard.
Or Adolf Hitler and “his little Dodeka playgroup” of RL pulp villains.
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That’s one of the potentials of SF & Fantasy.
That was one of the reasons Rod Serling created The Twilight Zone.
To hold up a mirror in a way that it doesn’t look like a mirror and invite reprisals.
To tell the stories he wanted to tell without censorship because “it’s fantasy”.
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Re. the video with the wife that did not speak – Watching that video, her eyes and mannerisms….Why am I reminded of propaganda reels and photos of Prisoners of War?
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Headless Unicorn Guy,
You’re preaching to the choir 🙂
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Unfortunately, none of us are usually wrong on this. It has been inevitable. Though Hunt’s six months is one of the faster periods I’ve seen in the rush to bring back a fallen pastor.
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That.
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The thought sometimes occurs that stories like this are evidence that the hand of God is actually against these churches. It has the feel of the Romans 1 “wrath dynamic” of idolatry –> darkened understanding –> bad choices/behavior –> bad consequences.
Perhaps some of the churches have been “given over” to worship of their leaders, and God is letting that process work itself out until the implications and consequences are so visible that they cannot be denied.
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The American church will not get any better until it’s reduced to nothing but God to worship, when “Christ-followers” truly follow Him alone, when the man in the pulpit is viewed no important than the man in the pew, when standing ovations fade to bowed knees.
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Max,
meant to say “… viewed no more important …”
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Any attempt to “restore” Johnny Hunt is yet another sign of how far off track the SBC is. They need to move on from their idols.
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In the local case it’s been 6 years. So probably there’s a more recently fallen pastor needing restored.
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Max, Samuel Connor, you are so right!
We live in a culture that clear God has given over to reprobate minds. And these churches are no different!
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But then how can God’s Highborn Pets get their ego-boo?
Makes you wish there was a God and a Christ for all the rest of us.
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All depends on how fast the heat blows over.
Once the heat bloes over, the comeback trail/return in Triumph.
“AVE, CAESAR! IO, TRIOMPHE!”
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Max,
“Stop dragging out the old gang … with over 15 million Southern Baptists, surely there are others who are better fit to represent Jesus at this conference.”
++++++++++++++++++++
good grief, and good God… SBC, represent your organization with your stellar women.
truly, i think men are great (except for a some human beings who happen to have male chromosomes).
but most frankly, i’m tired of and utterly bored with seeing my religion plastered with men’s faces and sounding with men’s voices, as the gold standard of what it means to be human & made in the image of God.
gimme a break.
it’s boring.
it’s stupid.
it’s embarrassing.
it’s substandard, sloppy and shoddy.
and i can’t think of any good reason to put up with it and stick around.
(i’ll pare my religion down to brass tacks, simultaneously raising it up to my own integrity, and that’s my faith)
no middleman or middlemen required.
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The current SBC leadership has become so patriarchal and authoritarian, I doubt seriously if they would even give Lottie Moon or Annie Armstrong a voice these days … God rest their precious souls. We see how the good ole boys treated Beth Moore, whether you like her or not. Southern Baptists are missing so much by silencing gifted female believers.
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In the Kingdom of God, the Bride of Christ never needed a middleman. Each believer is a priest and Christ is our advocate. The ole boys hate to hear that, but it’s the truth.
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Max,
Those good ole boys have been trying, for decades, to rebuild the temple, create walls of separation, and hang the veil up.
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Well they’ve just about achieved that … but Jesus in on the outside looking in.
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….or leave (divorce) their husbands, as dragging their “sorry” husbands out of the church mightn’t make any difference in their marriage (“marriage”?).
The wives might have to face the whole abusive mess of dealing with divorce, their husbands, the church, and potentially their own false beliefs. “The beauty of complementarity” usually results in a marriage with varying degrees of abuse, and for many women (and their children) in those marriages, it’s better (although it mightn’t seem so) to divorce and deal with the mess than to remain in the marriage.
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Max,
Seriously, this is scary. You’re right.
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IMO, using a false doctrine to subordinate another member of the Body of Christ is a form of abuse. In the Kingdom of God, there are no distinctions in race, class or gender … only in the kingdom of men where aberrant theology rules.
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And all allegedly ‘derived’ from Scripture huh?
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Who has bewitched you, that you neglect so irrelevant a mini-salvation?
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I watched the video a couple of times and I would have to agree that Ms. Hunt is not happy about being on that video. She has the same mannerism that my mom had when she was upset with my dad or us boys. Her look and glancing off in the distance and movement of her head tell the story. I really feel for her and the hurt and embarrassment she must be going through.
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Propping Mrs. Hunt up on video as a show of support for her bad-boy pastor-husband is a form of abuse, IMO. If anybody needs to be “restored”, it’s her! Lord help her.
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Why not?! Women are a mere derivative of men, you know.
“It may be best to understand the original creation of male and female as one in which the male was made in the image of God in a direct, unmediated and unilateral fashion, while the female was made image of God through the man and hence in a indirect, mediated and derivative fashion.” (Bruce Ware)
Which, of course, is theological baloney. There are no derivatives in the Body of Christ, all are created equal, beloved children of God.
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Baloney is not the word I would have used, but then again, it would have never cleared customs.
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Not restored…….. rescued, set free……..
This “complementarian” doctrine is as close as these men can get to modern slavery, and still keep it legal.
Of course women are free to make their own decisions, but wives risk their very souls if they refuse to submit to their husbands.
Of course, it’s rarely, if ever, said so blatantly…….. but that’s what is meant.
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Ah, these men do love to play with words, don’t they?
*unilateral- one sided……. Males are the only ones that really matter.
Here’s what I firmly believe Ware meant when he used certain words:
*indirect- a deviation, consequence of something else………God had to make females simply because he made men …..(Cost of doing business???)
*mediated- intervened between two parties…….. Males are the mediators between God and females, not Jesus.
*derivative- something whose value is dependent upon the value of another……. The worth of females is completely dependent upon the worth of males
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Max–there is perfectly fine oil field term that usually passes even yahoo moderation, lol. It is Bottom Sediment. No one seems to notice the initials are the same as for barnyard sediments.
Boy–good old boys trying to hold on to power and prove they are better than the wimmen folk better never run into most SBC gals from the 1950s. They would not survive!
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Muff, when Hal Lindsay could derive a Plain Reading of SCRIPTURE where the Demon Locusts of Rev 9:3-10 are Plainly helicopter gunships with chemical-weapon “stingers” piloted by long-haired bearded hippies, ALL BETS ARE OFF AND THE JOKER IS WILD.
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Headless Unicorn Guy,
Old Hal is still pluggin’ away and making good bank.
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It is my fervent hope that more and more women will free themselves from this caldron of horse manure that masquerades as ‘Bible teaching’.
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When I was getting my head shrunk back in the late Eighties (after my breakup with Ann), my therapist was actually familiar with Old Hal. Actually lived in the same town as Old Hal, who was a local Celebrity among the Church crowd.
She told me flat-out that “He wrote those books entirely for the money”.
My response was “Great. He’s laughing all the way to the bank while I’m having flashbacks like a ‘Nam Vet.”
(One of the long-term reasons I was in therapy was what’s now called “Left Behind Fever”, i.e. constant fear and dread of Rapture/Tribulation/Armageddon. To the point where I was barely able to function – “Why Bother? IT’S ALL GONNA BURN.”)
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Like those two Godly Wordsmiths(TM), The Pious Piper and Douggie Wilson (the Jerk with the Kirk).
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Like the appeal of upright talking animals (with boobs) in the darker side of Furry Fandom:
“Just human enough so it isn’t Bestiality, but not human enough to really be Rape.”