People make jokes about my bosoms, why don't they look underneath the breasts at the heart? It's obvious I've got big ones and if people want to assume they're not mine, then let them. Dolly Parton link
[Trigger alert: I will be discussing the private parts of men and women. This may be upsetting to those raised in homes preached that one should never, ever notice such things. It is apparently distressing to John Piper which means it must be Biblical, right?]
The other day, I walked by a full length mirror and stopped. I had been made aware that John Piper appears to have a problem with looking at women, especially if *the girls* are front and center. As I looked at myself, I realized that there is very little I can do to hide my *parts.* They are as much a part of me as the color of m eyes, my hair, and my body shape. God created me this way. Yet Piper appears to have problems with the creation of the tatas.
Even worse, I live in the South and today the heat index was over 100 degrees. On such days, I attempt to dress in a manner that keeps me cool which, unfortunately, leads to the tatas being even more noticeable for those who note such things. I think most normal people are far too busy keeping cool themselves.
Perhaps it is because I am a nurse, I don't ruminate on body parts because I have seen it all, washed it all, changed dressings, catheterized both sexes, etc. I still remember an incident when I was a student nurse. A male patient had been circumcised due to a medical problem which had developed. He hit his emergency button and I came running since I was next door. The poor guy developed a small hemorrhage in the area of his surgery. As I approached to pull up the covers, he said "You're too young to see this. Get a married nurse" and refused to let me see what was happening. Mind you, the guy was really bleeding but he was more concerned that I would see his *parts.* Thankfully, an older nurse walked in, threw off his covers to see what was going on and told him "We've seen it all. Get over it." She invited me to take a look at the problem.
I can reassure our readers,who are outside of the medical profession, that looking at a man or woman's private parts is a big yawner for many of us. Now, if those parts had a huge tumor hanging off of them, we might take specific notice and discuss the medical issue together. But no one is standing around and saying, "Did you see the size (or lack of size) of that guy's family jewels?" News flash: Most people look pretty average much to their dismay at times.
John Piper received a miracle from God. He is totally free from wanting to have sex with anyone but his wife.
Sadly, it seems like John Piper has trouble dealing with the fact that women have bosoms even though he is free from sexual feelings towards other women. Last week, this article by Piper, Husband, Lift Up Your Eyes: LETTER TO A WOULD-BE ADULTERER, was discussed with humor and some dismay on Twtter.
He made a series of claims about himself. The moment I read about his *pure as the driven snow* attitude towards sex and women, I started giggling. There is much that Piper has said about himself that makes me disinclined to believe that he received a miracle from God that prevents him from wanting to have sex with anyone but his wife. He sure thinks a lot about the subject matter.
He has never had an inclination to have sex with anybody but his wife.
I have enjoyed a life of sexual intimacy with my wife, that is, I think, as intense as any can reasonably hope for. In other words, I don’t think my disinterest in sex with other women is owing to deficient hormones.
… I have never desired sexual relations with another woman. When I fell in love with Noël in the summer of 1966, a focused sexual longing exploded into being. That peculiar desire to be intimate with Noël has never shifted onto another woman.
He believes that God performed a miracle and released him from this desire.
The first thing to say is that I consider this disinterest in sex with other women a pure gift of God’s sovereign grace.
He believes that you need to plead for this miracle for yourself.
Ask God for it.” Don’t just ask him to keep you from giving into temptation. Ask him to take away any desire for any woman other than your wife. Plead for this.
He is revolted at the idea of having sex with another because he fears eternally burning in hell.
It appears that this sin is Piper's unforgiveable sin. Many have fallen in this area. Many have picked themselves up ad repented. So, they are going to eternally burn in hell? Seriously? It must be some Calvinista thing that I don't get.
my speculation is that somewhere along the way in my life, God took the reality of his massive disapproval of lust and adultery, and the threat of indescribable suffering in hell (Matthew 5:29), and created a connection between the physical terror of eternal burning and the moral outrage of cheating on my wife. The form that this connection took was physical revulsion at marital unfaithfulness
Unfortunately, God may not be inclined to give you, lowly Christian, what He has given Piper.
I mean God worked a miracle to make adulterous touching not just morally wrong, but physically revolting. That is one of the greatest works of divine grace I have ever experienced
…It has freed me wonderfully to focus on other things. Whether it is transferrable to you depends on God’s free grace.
If you pray for this miracle, be aware of orange day lillies.
I hear he considers himself to be a poet. Maybe this is one of those deep poetry things?
When you have prayed, lift up your eyes. Lift them up to the deep, blue sky. Lift them up to the brilliant whiteness of the billowing clouds. Lift them up to the unfathomable star-filled darkness of the night. Lift them up to misty mountain ranges, and to the rivers that have run for a thousand years, and to the mighty trees that took their time to become strong imperceptibly, and to the orange day-lilies and purple vines and the yellow-souled daisies, and to the ripple-free lakes at dusk, and the great bow of the ocean horizon.
I have trouble believing that Piper is being honest with us or himself. He appears to struggle greatly with sexual temptation.
i have been following Piper for years and I know he has written a great deal on modesty. In particular, I believe that he regularly focuses on the presence of tatas in his treatises. Does this sound like a man who has no problem with sexual temptation outside of the marriage bed? Maybe he and I have a different definition of freedom.
My eyes are as magnetized toward excessive female skin as most men’s. I am not designed for beach evangelism. I find airports to be problematic enough. I have zero tolerance for nudity in films — or even suggestiveness (which rules out almost all of them). One reason (among many) is that any sexually charged image lodges itself in my mind, with regrettable effects.
It appears that he is obsessed with boobs. He is even concerned about the female chest in two year old little girls as you will see further on in the post.
He does not define what he means by inappropriate.
This, sadly, goes on all the time in churches. We utilize lingo and expect people to understand exactly what we mean. This can cause trouble on many fronts. For example, some Christian believe that church discipline would never occur when a person asks a question like "What is the pastor's salary." The poor person thought discipline would only be reserved for those who cover up child sex abuse, etc. We have written about the many cases of abusive church discipline which we beleives occurs because churches refuse to define, a priori, what they mean but that term.
Deep things need to happen in a woman’s and a man’s soul before they have any chance of thinking and feeling about these things in a way that honors God. I will just say this to any woman, any man who dresses inappropriately:
The Deeb have followed SGM Survivors for years. Some of those folks discussed that their churches were allegedly really big in the modesty area. For example, women were warned that using seat belt would expose the shape of their tatas. (Gasp!!!) The same goes for cross body bags. It appears that if you are a women, you should figure out a way to use a seat belt that doesn't call attention to your chest. Can you imagine the creepster on the pastoral staff who was running around observing women wearing seat belts?
Let me get this straight. We need to be worried that someone like John Piper might be staring at our chest while we are in the car? How sick is that? The Deebs have long discovered the convenience of cross body bags that keep our hands free while shopping. So, we should give that up because some guy is so weird that he cannot concentrate while we are shopping? He is another creepster.
Avoid sexy dressing.
Piper once again does not define what he means by the term *sexy dressing."
I can testify without any doubt that at every age of my life, my masculine life, my hungry life: Sexy dressing of women is less attractive than modest beauty.
Do you notice that he uses the term *my hungry life* with reference to sexy dressing. Does this sound like a man that has no problems imagining sex with anyone but his wife? What do you think he is thinking about when he focuses of modesty and tatas?
Once again, SGM Survivors had some discussions in which men and women ran around a church *observing* a lack of modesty. One women was told to button the top button on her shirt because that was determined to be modest.
I have news for all the men running around out there looking at women with their seat belts locked and looking for women who wear cross body bags which reveal the shape of their bosoms, get a life.
Is he implying that if his eyes are drawn to a woman's chest, then she is guilty of dressing in a sexy manner? So, if he really doesn't have trouble with lust, why is he so concerned about modesty? Why can't he go to the beach? I bet he knows Matthew 5:28 NIV.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Further proof that it is all about *tatas* for Piper. He even focused on 2 year old girls and their respective chests.
Piper also wrote Is Modesty an Issue in the Church Today? Never forget, necklines are the issue these days. The question is, "For who?" I do agree that it is an issue for Piper. It looks like he is spending time at airports and church spending a bunch of time staring at womens' necklines. Is he confessing to all of us that he has problem by pretending it is us that have the problem? Sneaky, sneaky…. See if you think this is creepy.
Necklines are an issue these days. Everywhere I turn—at the airport and at church—the necklines are plunging! Some fashion designers in the world are communicating to women today that the thing to do is have your neckline split extend too low.
Women should dress in such a way that they draw men's attention towards their eyes, their face, and not towards the other parts of their bodies.
A woman can test herself in this arena by how she dresses her little girl. What kind of bathing suit do you put on your little two-year-old? Is it a cute little bikini? Or do you begin from the very start to teach this little girl that there is an appropriate way to dress? Are you preparing her so that by the time she is seven, eleven, or fifteen her whole mindset is, I dress appropriately, modestly, and not to entice or flaunt?
So is it just about the tatas? Nope. It's also about knees and belly buttons for Piper. Knees, mind you.
But women are selling themselves because Madison Avenue has said, "Show your belly-button, your knees, your cleavage, etc." And women, evidently, are wired to want men to notice their bodies. And that is what must be channeled in an appropriate way.
Some thoughts on Piper's unusual focus on tatas.
1. We have observed John Piper unusual focus on women and their bodies. Do you remember his unusual rant about the bad sex lives of women who work out and develop muscles? We wrote John Piper: On Election, Sin and the Painful Lives of Muscular Women. Read the following and see if you think this is peculiar. He thinks about women and getting turned on at the gym? This is a guy who has no sexual desire outside of his wife?
I was totally unconvinced that even Piper could say such a thing. I went directly to the source and there it was, in black and white. Here is the entire PDF for the book called Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. The following quote was written by Piper although a number of people contributed to the this document
“Consider what is lost when women attempt to assume a more masculine role by appearing physically muscular and aggressive. It is true that there is something sexually stimulating about a muscular, scantily clad young woman pumping iron in a health club.
But no woman should be encouraged by this fact. For it probably means the sexual encounter that such an image would lead to is something very hasty and volatile, and in the long run unsatisfying.
The image of a masculine musculature may beget arousal in a man, but it does not beget several hours of moonlight walking with significant, caring conversation. The more women can arouse men by doing typically masculine things, the less they can count on receiving from men a sensitivity to typically feminine ”
2. Then there was the weird tweet about watching teens making out by the river
Julie Anne Smith wrote Say what? John Piper tweets about teenage couples making out down at the river. Here are a couple of screen shots. So Piper is watching the teens coming back from the make out session? Talk about strange…
3. I believe that God created women with tatas. He also knew that many live in hot climates. Do you think He meant for women to conceal their bodies in order to prevent men like Piper noticing *the girls?"Did God want them to suffer to help Piper out? I am dead serious about this question. Does Piper believe he should go into cultures that live around the equator and get them to dress by his criteria? Is his view of modesty actually Biblical?
4. Take a look at the Duggar family. Those poor girls wore long denim skirts and were never allowed to go to the beach and wear swimsuits unless they were alone with their family. The boys were commanded to look at the ground if a girl in a short skirt walked by. Guess what? It didn't prevent Josh Duggar from molesting his sisters, using Ashley Madison, etc. I doubt that figuring out a way to conceal any sort of hint of *the girls* would prevent Piper from looking at them. I think he has a problem and the Calvinista set is not doing themselves any favors by letting this absurdity to continue.
5. What construes sexy dressing? Does it vary from culture to culture and year to year?
6. If women are born with sizable tatas, should they get breast reduction surgery in order to help out John Piper and the male population?
7. Dolly Parton has done a marvelous job in dealing with her famous bosom. She jokes about it so much that it has become just a part of who she is. Maybe Piper should think about her way of dealing with it….No-he is the elect and she is not.
7. Which of these would you want to spend an evening with?
Dolly doesn't do too bad, does she? Oh, before I forget :
This is my favorite song by Dolly. She sings it like she knows me!