“What do you fear, lady?" [Aragorn] asked.
"A cage," [Éowyn] said. "To stay behind bars, until use and old age accept them, and all chance of doing great deeds is gone beyond recall or desire.”
– J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King link
Once again, this is not a political column. Please stick to the knitting.
What are the inbred problems in the complementarian movement? Recently, Raw Story posted Right-wing pastor gives up the game: It’s better for a president to grab a vagina than to have one. Dave Daubenmire is the founder of Pass the Salt Ministries. He is a *culture warrior. Here is what he says about himself.
Dave Daubenmire, a veteran 35 year high school football coach, was spurred to action when attacked and eventually sued by the ACLU in the late 1990’s for mixing prayer with his coaching. After a two year battle for his 1st amendment rights and a determination to not back down, the ACLU relented and offered coach an out of court settlement.
As a result of the experience, Coach heard the call to move out of coaching a high school team, to the job of coaching God’s team. PASS THE SALT was formed to encourage the Body of Christ to step into the cultural war. “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood…” PASS THE SALT is convinced that God has given the Body a window of opportunity to take our culture back.
PASS THE SALT is committed to bringing together the body of Christ across denominational, racial, and economical borders to demonstrate to America the power of Biblical unity. Our vision is to unite, organize, and mobilize the Army of God to be SALT and Light as stated in MATTHEW 5:12.
Challenging the “church of the Status Quo”, Pass The Salt is calling Christians to engage the culture. By taking the fight to the enemy Coach Daubenmire has become a recognizable voice with the media as he is an unashamed, articulate, apologist for the Christian worldview. Coach’s willingness to stand with Judge Roy Moore in Alabama, Terri Schiavo in Florida, and the 10 commandments in Washington DC, has enabled him to partner with some of the nationally known voices in America
Dee," you say, "The modern Calvinistas are far more sophisticated than this. So why are you focusing on him?" Humph-how carefully have you been reading this blog? Simply enter Authentic Manhood into our search engine and you will find posts such as The Many Associations of ‘Authentic Manhood’ That Surround Fellowship Associates. Better yet, Google it and see what comes up. There is even a website called Authentic Manhood.
Now, put together Boot Camp and Authentic Manhood in a search engine and you get results like this at Jacob's Well in New Jersey. No women allowed.
Our annual Men’s Boot Camp will take place on Nov 6, 7 at Tuscarora. We will be continuing in our use of a curriculum called “33—The Series” which allows us to travel in some manhood themes in small teams throughout the program.
The Jezebel spirit
Here is a tip for our new readers. The moment you hear the term *Jezebel spirit* you can be sure you are dealing with someone a bit off their rocker and probably totally off in their theology as you will see here. Here's what Dave Daubenmire has to say about it.
In the second half of the show Coach talks about the Jezebel spirit. This is the spirit dominating our modern culture. The relationship between men and women in America is rebellious and destructive. The Jezebel spirit is a spirit of rebellion and men are rebelling against God and women are rebelling against women.
It appears that the Jezebel spirit, in this particular situation, is a woman who might become President.
Looks like he may have received some teaching from John Piper, Owen Strachan and Al Mohler.
“Women and men may be equal, but I think it’s pretty clear that the Bible teaches us that women should not be in authority over a man,” said Daubenmire,
…“Here’s the point I’m making,” Daubenmire said. “With all that’s going on with Trump and everybody screaming and hollering about that, when is the last time your pastor stood up in the pulpit and said, ‘Hey, listen, we cannot vote for Hillary Clinton because women are not to have authority over men’?”
In fact, a woman running for President is a *judgment of the Lord.*
If we want to follow the Bible, that would sure be a good place to start, wouldn’t it?” Daubenmire said. “Rather than worrying so much about the immorality of a sinful man, what about the biblical principle that when a woman rules over a man … it’s a sign of judgment of the Lord?”
Daubenmire, seemingly channeling that real man, Mark Driscoll, says men have become sissified.
“I’m on a manhunt!” Daubenmire proclaimed several times before explaining, “I believe that we’re in the problem we’re in in America today because there aren’t any men. There aren’t any men. There are a lot of males. There are a lot of guys who are born male. So you’re a male by birth, but you’re a man by choice.”
He said that there are “thousands and thousands of men who love the Lord but are sick of church” because Christianity has become “sissified.”
“They’re sick of the effeminized church,” he said. “They’re sick of going in there and singing sissified songs. They walk into the church, they understand something is terribly wrong in the culture and there is absolutely no relationship between what they hear in the church and what they see going on out there.”
“And the church makes fun of Donald Trump,” he said. “Where’s the Christian Donald Trump? Where’s that man that will stand forth like that and declare the truth that he’s declaring, that will take on political correctness? I’m not talking about Trump. Where are the men of God? Where have we been? And we, we, we’ve created Donald Trump. We have. Our sissified Christianity, men afraid to say anything, hiding behind their wives.
Daubenmire says only heterosexual men can save America from tyranny.
If we can’t open our eyes and see that this is not about race, as much as they try to make it about race, it’s not about race,” he said, “it’s about culture, it’s about the Christian culture that the settlers of America and Europe and England, that those groups took the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. And the only thing standing between tyranny and liberty is a Christian, heterosexual man.”
So, Dave Daubenmire is a nut. What does this have to do with complementarianism?
It was the complementarians leaders that kept Mark Driscoll on the pedestal for so long. Who can ever forget Driscolls' bizarre views on gender roles. The Gospel Coalition and seminary presidents endorsed his books, his ministry and invited him to conferences, practically swooning over his despicable views on women.
Then there was John Piper who announced that he loved Driscoll's theology. How can we ever forget this incredible lack of discernment on the part of the most respected leaders of the Calvinista set?
How does the average Joe Christian tell the difference between Mark Driscoll, John Piper and Dave Daubenmire? Most people can't? I'm not even sure that I can. Take what Piper had to say about modesty. He blames women and their plunging necklines for causing men to stumble.
John Piper: Women must take responsibility for the lust of men.
In 2007 Piper posted Is Modesty an Issue in the Church Today? This followed on the heels of another ministry and pastor that John Piper continues to endorse to this Day-CJ and Carolyn Mahaney and Sovereign Grace Ministries which stressed modesty for women, including how many buttons to button up on a shirt. Where did CJ get his thinking? Could it have been from his BFF John Piper? Here is what Piper wrote.
But it is true that males are more visually spring-loaded to lust or to think unhelpful thoughts when they see a certain picture or person, so that's where I'll focus here.
My concern today is that it seems like a lot of Christian women are oblivious to the fact that they have some measure of responsibility here. I say it carefully though, because I know that some women would turn the issue back on men as if it is their own problem.
Necklines are an issue these days. Everywhere I turn—at the airport and at church—the necklines are plunging! Some fashion designers in the world are communicating to women today that the thing to do is have your neckline split extend too low.
Women should dress in such a way that they draw men's attention towards their eyes, their face, and not towards the other parts of their bodies.
A woman can test herself in this arena by how she dresses her little girl. What kind of bathing suit do you put on your little two-year-old? Is it a cute little bikini? Or do you begin from the very start to teach this little girl that there is an appropriate way to dress?
And women, evidently, are wired to want men to notice their bodies. And that is what must be channeled in an appropriate way.
The Duggars and their long denim skirts: How did that work?
The Duggar women dressed with extreme modesty. Polo shirts and long denim skirts were de rigeur.The girls were not allowed to wear normal swimsuits, let along bikinis. The boys were trained to look at the ground when a normally dressed woman walked by. The kids were supposedly supervised while on the Internet. (Yeah, right!) They were taught never to hold hands with a boy until engagement and no kissing until marriage. Yet, Josh Duggar was molesting his sisters in that den of extreme modesty.
On a recent vacation, I watched families on the beach. The vast majority of the girls and women-large, tall, skinny, whatever, were wearing two piece bathing suits. The only ones who were not were those of us trying to hide a bit of cellulite…I observed the men on the beach. From what I could tell, most of them were swimming, snoozing, etc.
A friend who lives in the Middle East told me that exposed ankles or hair, whatever, can be a sin as well since it can cause lust in men.
Complementarianism is ill-defined, Piper and his BFFs have lots of opinons and that is leading to confusion in the post-evangelical world.
Due to a profound inability to define both complementarianism and authority in the church and in society, combined with a penchant for admiring men like Mark Driscoll, Calvinista leaders are contributing to the development of outlandish men like Daubenmire and programs like Authentic Manhood Boot Camps. Men like piper blame women for the lust of men. The Gospel Coalition's support of men like CJ Mahaney while fussing about Donald Trump behavior demonstrates a deep seated predicament in defining sin within the ranks. Add to that large families like the Duggars and the Willis Clan who prove that sex abuse is alive and well in *modest* families provide a public demonstration that complementarianism has no solution. The writing is on the wall.
My generation has seen the rise of complementarianism and I believe that we will also see the fall of complementarianism as the world reads between the lines and sees very little to commend the movement. The book of the movement, Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, will be read (read here for free)and people will be startled to read John Piper's views on the sex life of muscular women and Wayne Grudem's silly chart for what women can and cannot do in the church.
It is highly likely that there will be a woman POTUS, one of the most powerful and authority laden positions on this Earth. (This is not an endorsement so please don't go there.) Conservative (I dare you to prove that it isn't) churches like Bent Tree Bible Fellowship are allowing women to serve as pastors and elders. Women are serving as Navy pilots and doing a darn good job, not only the US but abroad. In complete defiance to John Piper, women make excellent members of the police force.
Times are changing as was portrayed on Downton Abbey. The series began with women not being eligible to hold property. By the end of that period of time, they could. The former restriction was considered a Biblical thing at the time but it wasn't.
As women successfully serve in position of authority in society, I have a prediction. I believe that, in the church in 20 years, except in some small towns, women will always be able to read the Bible out loud in Tim Challies' church service and will even give sermons as fewer and fewer people find it unusual for women to be in that position.