01.27.23 EChurch@Wartburg: Russell Moore and N.T Wright on the Bible’s Most Misunderstood Verse

Lutheran Morning Prayer

I thank You, my heavenly Father, through Jesus Christ, Your dear Son,
that You have kept me this night from all harm and danger;
and I pray that You would keep me this day also from sin and every evil,
that all my doings and life may please You.
For into Your hands I commend myself, my body and soul, and all things.
Let Your holy angel be with me, that the evil foe may have no power over me.
(Then go joyfully to your work, singing a hymn, like that of the Ten Commandments, or whatever your devotion may suggest.)

Prayer of Confession (PCUSA)

God, forgive us.
Our communion is not always visible to the world.
Sometimes we allow threats to unity to enter the church,
making it hard to see that we are your community.
We act as though we do not need each other. We do not always love one another.
We do not know and bear one another’s burdens. We fail to build each other up.
We do not always give ourselves willingly and joyfully to one another.
Forgive us, and strengthen us so that we may live in the unity that you grant us.

The Apostle’s Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.

The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God
the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

For the talk

Please go to this YouTube link to listen to the discussion. It has to be viewed on YouTube. It is a recent discussion.

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May the Father’s hand
keep you from stumbling,
the footprints of Jesus
give you confidence to follow,
and the fire of the Spirit
keep you warm and safe
in your walk with God this day.


01.27.23 EChurch@Wartburg: Russell Moore and N.T Wright on the Bible’s Most Misunderstood Verse — 6 Comments

  1. Thank you, Dee.

    It’s always a pleasure to hear Prof. Wright. I hope he is granted enough years to complete Volumes 5 and 6 of his life-project, “Christian Origins and the Question of God.”


    Nice emphasis in the middle on wisdom and (sotto voce) peacemaking. The world needs more of that.

    It’s a bit surprising to me to find RM so open to and friendly with NTW. I have the impression that in Reformed-leaning circles, alternative readings of Romans and Galatians are really unwelcome.

    Perhaps there is a generational change in thinking underway. It has been said of science that it advances “one funeral at a time”. Perhaps the same is true of theology.

    Again, thank you, Dee.

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  2. Muff Potter,

    I’d frame it in terms of the idea that our conceptual systems for interpreting bodies of data should be held with a light grip — they may be useful as far as they go, but they are provisional. I’m even reasonably comfortable with people’s use of their systems for dogmatic purposes — drawing boundaries between who is “of us” and who is “not of us.” It’s sort of a “right of association.” I’m less comfortable with the insistence that “our dogma is true; yours is false.” I think that this is a place where theology could learn from science — theories are provisional and convincing challenges should be welcomed in the interest of better aligning our systems with the world and the history that God actually made.

    One of the refreshing things I see in NTW’s approach to theology as a kind of “applied history” is expressed by him (I think in Vol 1, “The New Testament and the People of God” and/or Vol 2, “Jesus and the Victory of God.”) in the language of forming conceptual models of/hypotheses about the biblical story that “pack as much of the data as possible” into them. Every system has tensions with the biblical data; better hypotheses will tend to have fewer tensions.

    I hope he lives long enough to complete his project; I think that the churches need this.

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  3. Prov 21: 10-31 is not about wives !!!

    Jn 3: 16 says who carries on believing in Him, to him shall carry on being given life that continues eternally

    Both the above passages imply trading with each other in the gifts (a k a talents and rations)

    All the churches lost distinct Holy Spirit teachings, substituting confused ones or none.

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