Open Letter to the People of First Baptist Orlando: Do You Know That Tommy Gilmore Molested Me?


Stop Baptist Predators

“Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again, the gift which must be asked for, the door at which a man must knock.

Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow, and it is grace because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life. It is costly because it condemns sin, and grace because it justifies the sinner. Above all, it is costly because it cost God the life of his Son: “ye were bought at a price,” and what has cost God much cannot be cheap for us. Above all, it is grace because God did not reckon his Son too dear a price to pay for our life, but delivered him up for us. Costly grace is the Incarnation of God” –Dietrich Bonhoeffer


The following is a story that the SBC leaders and *Caring Well*  do not want you to know. They only featured speakers whose abusers were not in the SBC, not reported to law enforcement, or who had died. They even featured a speaker from outside the SBC whose subsequent actions have been a cause for concern by some advocates, The leaders, in my opinion, deliberately excluded victims who had reported their SBC abusers. This is not the fault of the speakers chosen. It falls to the leaders to bear this responsibility.

Why is this important? Some of these abusers still attend SBC churches and are even promoted as leaders of ministries. What does this mean? Abusers abuse and the victims, many who are children, are at risk of being harmed.

But admitting this would mean that the current leaders in the SBC, who claimed to really, really care about victims, would need to do something about it. One look at the ridiculous sham that masquerades as the Executive Committee provides little hope that anything will be done to SBC churches which continue to protect molesters and abusers in spite of all the hoopla of *Caring Well.* Meanwhile, JD Greear hired Bryan Loritts, sending a message to all those still paying attention that he is on to bigger and better things.

Christa Brown’s story is infuriating. It is an early warning system that abusers have been protected and promoted in the SBC and the leaders who said they really care, don’t really.

Today I had an opportunity to speak with  Pastor Danny DeArmis of First Baptist Orlando. We talked about pedophilia and how it is a lifelong struggle. This means that a person will suffer from this compulsion for the rest of his/her life. Pastor DeArmis expressed his concern and compassion towards Christa and I believe that he meant it.

I asked if the church had promoted Tommy Gilmore, who attends FBC Orlando. He believes that the church has strong safety measures in place. He believes that over 100 people in various ministries know of Gilmore. He said that to his knowledge the church had not promoted Gilmore.  But he asked me to find out if Christa knew of anything. I discovered the following article, written by Gilmore, posted on the FBC website- Healer Of Hearts. Here is a quote.

And then, as I stepped out of His way and entrusted my family to God, an amazing thing happened. I was finally free to begin my own healing process.

Can you see how this might feel to Gilmore’s victim? Gilmore has begun his own healing without mentioning the one he despicably used so many years ago?

Then, his name appears under Financial Peace University as a local provider. Again, it is easy to see how this could be confusing to victims.

And then the church is named as a church partner with Gilmore in his real estate business. Ouch!

However, the person that I am most concerned about is Tommy Gilmore. Does the fact that he is going to church mean that he is repentant? Do you want to know one way to find out if Gilmore or any other pedophile/molester is being truthful when they say they are sorry for what they have done? Jesus gave us a clue on how to discover this in Matthew 5:23-24 NIV.

So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

Ask Gilmore if he has found a way to express his sorrow to his victim. Better yet, find out if he has offered to pay for the years of counseling that she has needed. Sadly, the answer is, “No.” According to Christa, he has never attempted to make restitution for his assault of her as a child. He’s had 50 years to do it. Gilmore is existing in the fake bubble of *cheap grace” and he needs his pastors and churches to call him on it. This quote by Dietrich Bonhoeffer sums up my message to all churches who ask about my view of grace in regards to molesters.

“Cheap grace means grace sold on the market like cheapjacks’ wares. The sacraments, the forgiveness of sin, and the consolations of religion are thrown away at cut prices. Grace is represented as the Church’s inexhaustible treasury, from which she showers blessings with generous hands, without asking questions or fixing limits. Grace without price; grace without cost! The essence of grace, we suppose, is that the account has been paid in advance; and, because it has been paid, everything can be had for nothing. Since the cost was infinite, the possibilities of using and spending it are infinite. What would grace be if it were not cheap?…

Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.

Christa, it is an honor to post your letter to FBCO. May those who have ears, listen.


Begin Christa Brown’s letter to FBCO.

In a recent blog post on abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention, Cheryl Summers of the For Such a Time as This Rally pointed out that First Baptist Church of Orlando now promotes Tommy Gilmore as a financial planning provider for the church’s “Financial Peace University.”

“The hits just keep coming,” I thought.

Despite being a documented clergy predator who sexually abused me as a kid, Tommy Gilmore has had 50 years’ worth of care, cover-up, and career advancement within the SBC, and the support for him obviously continues to this day.

Meanwhile, I’ve been shamed, blamed, bullied, intimidated, ignored, threatened, and vilified by Southern Baptist leaders – lots of them. The contrast is stark and painful.

When I first began working to expose the truth about Tommy Gilmore, what motivated me was the certainty I felt as a mother in knowing that, if I had a child in a church with Gilmore, I’d want to be warned about the fact that he had sexually abused a kid. So, it is in that same spirit – as a mother – that I now write to you, the people of FBC-Orlando, to warn you about Gilmore. I expect your church leaders already know about his dreadful deeds – lots of other SBC church and denominational leaders do too – but I wondered whether you, the people in the pews, had ever been told.

At First Baptist Church of Farmers Branch, Texas, where Tommy Gilmore worked as a youth and education minister and where I was a naïve, trusting, faith-filled 16-year-old church-girl, Gilmore molested, abused, assaulted and raped me. These horrors happened in the sanctuary, the choir loft, his office, the parsonage, and his car. And they happened often – at least once a week, and sometimes more, for nearly 8 months.

Each time, when he was done with me, he always ended by saying, “God loves you, Christa.”

I hope you will try to imagine the kind of harm that would cause in the life of a young girl – more than 32 sexual assaults on me committed by a full-grown adult married minister who had a child of his own.

And knowing that you all are likely people who value your faith, I hope you’ll also try to imagine how much his conduct affected mine. Whenever someone wants to tell me about “God’s love,” I feel a visceral urge to vomit and run.

Imagine a person who was repeatedly tortured while Beethoven’s Fifth played in the background, and years later, merely hearing Beethoven’s Fifth will set him on edge. So it is with me. Talk of “God’s love” transports me back to the horror of all that Gilmore did to me.

Those 32-plus assaults were just the worst of what he did – the penetrative and sometimes coerced assaults that remain almost unspeakable. But there was also a lot of handsy gropey stuff that happened when I was younger, before I even got the metal braces off my teeth. Mentally, I tend to minimize the handsy gropey stuff because, as abusive as it was, everything that came afterwards was so much worse.

But still, I want you to try to understand how things progressed. An arm around my shoulder became a hand massaging my neck. Ordinary hugs became longer, pressed-in hugs. Holding hands in group prayer circles became holding hands in solitary prayers. Then came quiet talks in his office, purportedly to counsel me, which devolved into isolated talks in the church basement. Then came a hand goosing my butt when I got a drink at the water fountain, and then a hand on my knee, and then a hand going up my thigh. And then things went really downhill when he began to tell me it was God’s will for me to serve as a “helpmeet” for him. And then came the barrage of Bible verses, wielded like weapons to convince my balking teen self that I was being sinful if I resisted what God wanted of me. “Lean not unto thine own understanding.” That was one of his favorites, but he weaponized many other verses as well.

“Grooming:” it’s the word people use to describe the kinds of things Gilmore did before the full-on sexual assaults began. But it’s a word that doesn’t even begin to convey the premeditated malfeasance of what actually happens. Strangely, it’s a word that carries a connotation of care. You might imagine someone tending to a horse and giving attention to its coat. But with a horse, there is no ulterior motive in the grooming process; by contrast, with the grooming of a human child, there is profound conniving evil.

Eventually, after many months of “grooming,” there came a long drive down a dark road near the old Addison airport north of Dallas. He pulled over, and because I felt afraid, I got out of the car. But it did no good. With me pinned between that baby blue station wagon and his hard-pressed body, he sexually assaulted me. The girl I was died then and there, and after that, the assaults escalated in severity.

“Think of Abraham, Noah, and Moses,” he said. “Do you think what God wanted made sense to them?” Repeatedly, he urged me to simply “live by faith,” and he chastised me when I balked. After all, he said, “where would we all be if Mary hadn’t trusted God even when her special role was something she couldn’t understand?”

Such despicable blasphemy, and yet God makes for a powerful weapon when used by a pastoral con-man.

He twisted all of it – Bible verses, prayer, God’s will, and God’s love – into weapons for his own unholy ends of molestation and rape. For a faith-filled kid like me, taught from toddlerhood to be trusting of pastoral authority, they were as effective as any knife could have been for gaining my compliance. And now, because it was my faith that made me prey, faith has become a fraught terrain filled with land-mines.

When Gilmore was finally through with me – because I made an outcry to another minister who then told Gilmore that he would take it before the church if he didn’t leave — Gilmore made me kneel in his office while he stood over me, gripping my shoulder and praying long and loud for God to cast Satan from me. He insisted that I was the one at fault for having harbored Satan, and as a girl, this flat-out terrified me. He also insisted that I apologize to his wife, Sue, and so I stood in his office blubbering and begging for Sue to forgive me. All she said was “I’ll pray for you.”

Church leadership instructed me to never speak of it, and they allowed Gilmore to simply move on to a larger Southern Baptist church, and he continued his career in children’s ministry at prominent churches in Texas, Georgia, and Florida. He had connections to prominent SBC leaders (including having gone to college with Paige Patterson), and you can see a list of the churches he worked at here: They include First Baptist of Atlanta, the church of former SBC president Charles Stanley (which tried to run off leaf letters with information about Gilmore’s abuse), and First Baptist of Oviedo, the church of former Florida Baptist Convention president Dwayne Mercer. When Gilmore was at FBC-Oviedo, a church secretary reported him for sexual harassment, and she too was treated terribly.

If Gilmore had been a Catholic priest instead of a Southern Baptist pastor, he would surely be listed on a diocesan registry of “credibly accused” clergy sex abusers where congregants could more readily find out about him. But Southern Baptists don’t bother with that kind of denominational record-keeping.

Officials at the Baptist General Convention of Texas emailed me years ago to inform me that they had put Gilmore’s name in a file of “known offenders,” and under the BGCT’s published policy at the time, this would have required a confession or “substantial evidence of abuse” based on information received from a church. Unfortunately, the BGCT kept that file confidential and didn’t pro-actively warn churches about its listed offenders. So the burdensome task still remained to me to try to warn people about Gilmore.

After my childhood church threatened to seek legal recourse against me if I kept talking about it, I fought back and ultimately mustered still more substantiating documentation, including: (1) A written court-filed apology letter from FBC-Farmers Branch for the “very serious sexual abuse” that minister Tommy Gilmore inflicted on me as a child along with its acknowledgment that another of its ministers had known about the abuse, and the letter was sent to multiple SBC churches; (2) A Southern Baptist minister’s sworn statement attesting to his knowledge that Gilmore sexually abused me as a child, to the fact that Gilmore himself had talked about it with him, and to the fact that I had reported it at the time; (3) The sworn statement of a third-party attesting to another SBC minister’s description of the abuse as “consensual” despite the fact that I was a child at the time — mere “legalities” he said. All of it, and more, corroborated my account of Gilmore’s sexual abuse of me as a child.

Gilmore has never shown a shred of remorse.

Because the church covered up for him, allowing limitations to run, he never had to face criminal prosecution, and he hasn’t even faced any serious consequence within the faith community. Over and over, it seems SBC leaders believe me – given the body of evidence, it would be almost impossible not to – and yet no one has ever seemed to think Gilmore’s repeated rapes of me as a kid mattered – at least not enough to do anything about it or to even warn people in the pews. I’ve been told he sometimes teaches Sunday School – I pray it may no longer be so – and I saw that First Baptist of Orlando was shown as a “church partner” for his real estate business (in which he now uses talk of “God’s love” to sell houses). It appears the church stands behind him and gives him credibility.

It is credibility he does not deserve. As a mother, I plead with you to safeguard your children … because I know first-hand the sort of soul-murdering deception and barbarism that Tommy Gilmore is capable of.

Christa Brown

If you want to read more, below is a list of news articles and other sources that talk about Gilmore’s sexual abuse of me as a kid. And if you want to read still more, you could check out my book, This Little Light: Beyond a Baptist Preacher Predator and His Gang.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2018/0918/With-no-verdict-how-survivors-of-child-sex-abuse-find-own-sense-of-justice

http://thewartburgwatch.com/2019/06/07/christa-brown-writes-an-open-letter-to-tommy-gilmore-the-sbc-pastor-who-sexually-abused-her/

https://christabrown.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/eileen-flynn-june-9-2008.pdf (Austin American Statesman)

https://ethicsdaily.com/group-asks-southern-baptist-leaders-to-address-clergy-sex-abuse-cms-8554/

https://baptistnews.com/article/book-says-sbc-lacks-system-of-preventing-sexual-abuse-2/#.Xonw9EBFw2x

https://baptistnews.com/article/newspaper-story-on-sexual-abuse-in-sbc-was-a-long-time-coming-for-activist-christa-brown/#.Xon1PEBFw2w

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2005-10-22-baptist22-story.html

https://ethicsdaily.com/sbc-president-questions-motives-of-snap-says-sex-abuse-everywhere-cms-8863/ (re allegations of Gilmore’s sexual harassment of an adult congregant)

Comments

Open Letter to the People of First Baptist Orlando: Do You Know That Tommy Gilmore Molested Me? — 38 Comments

  1. Good Lord, another article on a bad-boy preacher! There seems to be no shortage of pulpit perverts! When Lord when?!

  2. Thank you, Christa. I will check out your book, “This Little Light” as you recommend.

    From one of the reviews:

    Rebecca Davis, 5 stars, Gripping, compelling, nauseating
    November 4, 2014 Verified Purchase

    “Only about 20% of this book focused on the Baptist Preacher Predator–the youth director who molested and raped Christa and the difficulties that abuse produced in her life.

    “The other 80% focused on the Gang–the author’s attempt to find some sort of compassion and concern, first with the local church, then the wider body, and finally the national convention of the Southern Baptists. I was amazed at Christa’s perseverance and appalled at the stone-cold stonewalling she received from the church and the denomination, again and again and again. I’m ignorant and naïve, but still can’t understand why people wouldn’t want to do all they can to protect the vulnerable from abuse and show compassion to those who have been abused. I cannot understand it.”

    EXACTLY! Who can understand this, from the Gang – the “church”?

  3. This is outrageous. What has J. D. Greear done to publish, warn, and act on this? About as much as Greear has done to act on the sexual predation coverups by Loritts, one of Greear’s Senior Pastors, i.e. NOTHING.

    At what point does Greear become an enabler of sexual predators within the SBC?

  4. Wondering: At what point does Greear become an enabler of sexual predators within the SBC?

    I think we’re past it. I wonder if he even cares.

  5. The men who run the Southern Baptist Convention has made it abundantly clear that they do not believe child RAPE should be against the law.

    As someone who was born and raised in the cesspool that is the SBC I tell everyone that it is churches who see child rape as something that should be legal for church going men.

    Southern Baptist men peddle the absurd LIE that they are protectors of women and children. When in reality they are protectors of wife beaters and child rapist.

  6. Guest: churches who see child rape as something that should be legal for church going men.

    Southern Baptist men peddle the absurd LIE that they are protectors of women and children. When in reality they are protectors of wife beaters and child rapist

    And just like that, church becomes a hunting ground.

  7. Christa thank you for putting *words* to the ways so many wicked clergy have used and abused children, but still feel unspeakable to many if us survivors YOU ARE A WARRIOR!

  8. Christa, your story makes me feel physically ill for you. I applaud your courage and strength to continue speaking out and taking whatever measures you can to help others not become victims him or anyone else. It also hurts my heart that there has been no justice for you as the innocent. I, too, was raped once as a teen (without recourse, but not in the church,) and it really skewed my faith for many years. I simply cannot imagine how long the road to healing has been for you. You truly are a voice to others and I pray God continues to use you greatly!

  9. I just can’t get past the obvious. As you read Christa’s story try and imagine that the god, church, biblical, spiritual elements did not exist. What would you have? A sad story of rape? A sad story of coverup? Yes… But you also have the opportunity for justice. Watch Athlete A on Netflix. The shell of protection for these sicko rapist only works in these religious environments. This protection is so powerful and evil it is almost unbelievable. The sickest and slyest of molesters seek out positions in the church… it is so well suited for their despicable craft! Do your religion in the privacy of your mind and home. Protect your children. The life of a survivor is a journey I wish on no one. These rapist and their handlers have left carnage that we will never fully understand in it’s scope. This carnage is silent and deadly. Take Christa and myself and multiply it by a hundred…I fear that you would only be at the start!

  10. Sometimes the only thing that gives me comfort….like the pedophile from my old church who is now 86 years old….is that GOD KNOWS all that happened and HE WILL judge these wretched souls that harmed His little girls!!! There IS justice even if they seem to get away with it….

  11. Abigail: HE WILL judge these wretched souls that harmed His little girls!!!

    “For God will bring every act to judgment, every hidden and secret thing” (Ecclesiastes 12:14 AMP)

  12. This is painful to read; what a horror to have experienced first person. Thank you, Christa, for your courage and perseverance in shining light into dark places.

  13. Christa:

    I am so very sorry that you have had little to no support from the “leaders of the SBC”. They have shown by their inactions they do care at all about the abuse that women such as yourself have experienced for decades.

  14. Max: When Lord when?!

    When?
    When the pew-serfs wake up and realize there’s more important things than potlucks and social event calendars.

  15. Muff Potter: wake up

    This is a good point.

    The way this blogalogue (blog dialogue?) is going, brings to mind:

    “Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men”
    by Lundy Bancroft

    Basically, the writer points out, the way to stop it is to give an ultimatum (time frame to change), and if he doesn’t change his behavior, leave the relationship. Because unless you do, he never changes in the relationship. As long as you are there for it, he’ll never change. Harsh? Yes, but so is staying in that connection. More so, more harsh. Enough is enough. But for some, they stay, and it’s never enough. They put up with it.

    The kids? I guess they have to grow up and get out. ASAP.

  16. Muff Potter: When the pew-serfs wake up and realize there’s more important things than potlucks and social event calendars.

    When that happens, pew-serfs will stop coming to church! And that could be a good thing!

    We need a solemn assembly of repentance and prayer among God’s people … but I don’t see any movement in that direction.

  17. How can we assist the excellent website, “Stop Baptist Predators”, to become more current and, in turn, more effective and relevant?

    The confessions credibly reported in the Roys Report set forth that Loritts, one of Greear’s Senior Pastors, covered up child sexual predation by Trotter. Loritts then admitted that the pictorial evidence of the çhild sexual predation was “thrown into the Mississippi River.”

    J. D. Greear knows all this NOW. He has done nothing. Accordingly, Greear needs to be listed as a colluder. or an enabler, NOW.

    Unfortunately, the Stop Baptist Predators website publishes predators and enablers many years after the fact. Published facts about Greear, Loritts, and Trotter are sufficient now for their listing on Stop Baptist Predators.

  18. If Gilmore had stolen a substantial amount of $$ from FBC Farmers Branch, he would have been a pariah & shunned. Steal a young girl’s innocence by raping her body AND soul? No tangible loss for the church or SBC at large. As long as she stays quiet and out of the way, it costs them nothing.

    These churches & the SBC DO NOT CARE about sexual abuse victims. Unless there is a price tag attached to the cause, they don’t care. Now if ppl wise up and start leaving these churches & taking their $$ with them, then they will listen. As it stands, they have no reason whatsoever to do ANYTHING. The status quo remains. People still attend SBC churches and give their $$, buy the books, attend the conferences, etc. As long as that machine keeps running, nothing will change.

    What is the consequence if the SBC does nothing about Gilmore, Loritts or the other hundreds (or perhaps, thousands) of sexual offenders & enablers in their churches? Nothing. They have absolutely nothing to lose by doing nothing. Sadly to say, most pew sitters are woefully uneducated regarding sexual abuse, power dynamics and the dangers of sexual offenders, so unless the masses are awakened to those realities, men like Gilmore will continue to enjoy blessed fellowship in the SBC.

  19. “Gilmore made me kneel in his office while he stood over me, gripping my shoulder and praying long and loud for God to cast Satan from me. He insisted that I was the one at fault for having harbored Satan, and as a girl, this flat-out terrified me. He also insisted that I apologize to his wife, Sue, and so I stood in his office blubbering and begging for Sue to forgive me.”

    This part disturbed me the most!!!!!!!

  20. drstevej: This part disturbed me the most!!!!!!!

    Me too drstevej, me too.
    I thought that kind of craziness went out with the Salem witch hysteria, but I guess not.

  21. drstevej: “He also insisted that I apologize to his wife, Sue, and so I stood in his office blubbering and begging for Sue to forgive me.”

    It’s obvious that Sue has had a hell of a married life.

  22. Obviously I need to catch up with things. I thought Greear was supposed to move the SBC in the right direction. Voices guys led me to believe it was true! And LifeWay published a program! Which adult(?) at FBCO thought that associating the church with a child molester was a good idea? Is there a shortage of CFAs in Orlando that are not child molesters? Is the SBC still on the autonomy thing? So many questions. Oh, and please give Cedarville back to the GARB. They did a better job than the clowns on the board now.

  23. Gram3: . I thought Greear was supposed to move the SBC in the right direction. Voices guys led me to believe it was true!

    Nah. They’re just mostly teaching old tricks to the new dogs In the SBC.
    The majority of the pew peons still don’t know, or care, what’s going on.

    Paige Patterson is trying to start a brand spanking new Conservative Resurgence, which would be pretty much just like the old Conservative Resurgence. PP’s little group says that Southern Baptist’s are becoming way too liberal ….. again.

    Attendance, new membership, and offerings are all still dropping slowly, and there at least some out there who blaming the decline of the SBC on the #METOO movement’s involvement in the SBC. There really isn’t anything new under the SBC sun.
    A few people say things that sound good to me, but I can’t help but doubt their motives …. as well as their truthfulness.

    And yes, the SBC is still very big on the autonomy thing.
    I gave up on Southern Baptists, as a whole, a while ago.

  24. Anna,

    “If Gilmore had stolen a substantial amount of $$ from FBC Farmers Branch, he would have been a pariah & shunned. Steal a young girl’s innocence by raping her body AND soul? No tangible loss for the church or SBC at large. As long as she stays quiet and out of the way, it costs them nothing.”
    ++++++++++++++++

    Modern Church: too much to lose to do the right thing when it costs.

    defund the church. it’s how i see it, at least.

  25. Nancy(aka Kevlar): Paige Patterson is trying to start a brand spanking new Conservative Resurgence, which would be pretty much just like the old Conservative Resurgence. PP’s little group says that Southern Baptist’s are becoming way too liberal ….. again.

    I doubt Patterson has enough people behind him to do much of anything. He’s very old news. Focusing on conservatives isn’t the best way to go about it anymore, either, I think. Focusing on Calvinism in the SBC might arouse the old guard more.

    If Patterson did want that, he’d be better of finding someone fresh to do the talking. He won’t, of course. He’s always been a prima donna.

  26. Gram3:
    Obviously I need to catch up with things. I thought Greear was supposed to move the SBC in the right direction. Voices guys led me to believe it was true! And LifeWay published a program! Which adult(?) at FBCO thought that associating the church with a child molester was a good idea? Is there a shortage of CFAs in Orlando that are not child molesters? Is the SBC still on the autonomy thing? So many questions. Oh, and please give Cedarville back to the GARB. They did a better job than the clowns on the board now.

    Sadly, too many SBC leaders are like Pepe Le Pew in my opinion. They will say the right things, but they do not mean a word of it. I wonder if that is what is called lying? Please leave this organization if you belong to it. It will never change.

  27. ishy: Focusing on Calvinism in the SBC might arouse the old guard more.

    New Calvinism easily took root in the SBC because millions of old guard non-Calvinist members were asleep at the wheel. I’m not sure they can be aroused with anything at this point … unless you threaten to take away their potluck dinners and other social events! The SBC is done; it just hasn’t quit yet.

  28. mot: Please leave this organization if you belong to it.

    We were Keyed Out some time ago, so not my sandbox. However, it is the denomination of my birth, childhood, baptism and marriage. It’s my heart denomination, and it grieves me to see what has happened and what is happening. Gramp3 and I have more than once invoked the original Body Snatchers movie to describe how we feel about this.

  29. Gram3: We were Keyed Out some time ago, so not my sandbox. However, it is the denomination of my birth, childhood, baptism and marriage. It’s my heart denomination, and it grieves me to see what has happened and what is happening. Gramp3 and I have more than once invoked the original Body Snatchers movie to describe how we feel about this.

    Gram3, I was a member of the SBC from April of 1974-October of 2018. I stayed lots longer than I should.

  30. Max: The SBC is done; it just hasn’t quit yet.

    As in “It’s dead but it’s too dumb to know it”?

  31. Gram3: it (SBC) is the denomination of my birth, childhood, baptism and marriage. It’s my heart denomination, and it grieves me to see what has happened and what is happening

    Same here.

  32. Anna: If Gilmore had stolen a substantial amount of $$ from FBC Farmers Branch, he would have been a pariah & shunned. Steal a young girl’s innocence by raping her body AND soul? No tangible loss for the church or SBC at large. As long as she stays quiet and out of the way, it costs them nothing.

    Tells you what’s REALLY important, don’t it?

    In the words of the Prophet Pink Floyd:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ

  33. Gram3: Gramp3 and I have more than once invoked the original Body Snatchers movie to describe how we feel about this.

    Great Sci-fi flick! (the original 1956 production)
    The 1978 remake just didn’t have the same scariness.

  34. Muff Potter: The 1978 remake just didn’t have the same scariness.

    No, it didn’t. When I read stories like Christa’s, I think pod people must be afoot. Surely that is the explanation. Normal people don’t do stuff like this. And I mean the church people, not the perp. Anna has the right idea about the money, IMO. Pod people do care about that and would have fixed his little red wagon, as you put it about Sisera. Oh, how I love that expression now that it’s not being aimed in my direction. Another is the exhortation to “straighten up and fly right” which I heard more than once and not from Nat King Cole. Good times.