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Update: 660 comments in 3 weeks. Not bad. Since infinite is a bad idea in how big a page can be on a web site I'm changing things so comments are split into pages of 500 per page. Nothing is gone. Just click on the link for older comments. (GBTC)


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  1. My son is at Eastern Christian Children’s Retreat in Wyckoff NJ where the state of NJ made changes to get all the residents on to Medicaid in recent years. This Medicaid support was threatened recently politically, which would have impacted the residents’ health care tremendously, and we were asked to support the residents (our children) by speaking out against attempts to harm Medicaid as a program.

    Yesterday, we received a ‘thank-you’ from Jane, the director, for our participation in supporting our children and all disabled people on Medicaid. I want to thank anyone here who worked for the sake of the disabled during this recent political crisis. I know we are not supposed to speak about ‘politics’, but I am advocating for a child who cannot speak at all, and recently he and thousands like him became the targets of them what want to attack Medicaid. So I speak for him. And for them. Who have no voice. Because this site, TWW, is not averse to speaking for those who have no voice. Please pray for these people. We do not know what is coming against them. They need help. They need our help or they will suffer, and they are innocents in these wars for money and the control of money among the powerful. May God have mercy.

  2. @ Dale:

    Dear Dale:

    Catholics have not hidden Jesus. Au contraire…we affirm His Presence everywhere and, in a special way, in the Blessed Sacrament. If you live in Charlotte, you must know about Saint Gabriel’s. Have you ever been to the Adoration Chapel there? I have. The Presence of Jesus is so powerful and palpable there it just about flattens one against the wall.

    St Matthew’s is a wonderful parish. Our diocese is very blessed. I hope and pray you will come to see this — at least so far as to stop being prejudiced against us.

  3. Catholic Gate-Crasher wrote:

    @ Dale:
    Dear Dale:
    Catholics have not hidden Jesus. Au contraire…we affirm His Presence everywhere and, in a special way, in the Blessed Sacrament. If you live in Charlotte, you must know about Saint Gabriel’s. Have you ever been to the Adoration Chapel there? I have. The Presence of Jesus is so powerful and palpable there it just about flattens one against the wall.
    St Matthew’s is a wonderful parish. Our diocese is very blessed. I hope and pray you will come to see this — at least so far as to stop being prejudiced against us.

    Dale and others were supposed to stop the pro and con discussion about the Catholic Church, per Guy Behind the Curtain, Dee, and Deb.

    GBTC deleted many comments.

    I will notify GBTC that it’s still going on as when he says “stop” he means “stop”.

    Thanks.

  4. Catholic Gate-Crasher wrote:

    Our diocese is very blessed. I hope and pray you will come to see this — at least so far as to stop being prejudiced against us.

    Dale’s father died from an alcoholism when Dale was 21, according to one of his recent posts. He and his mother blame the Catholic Church for the father’s alcoholism. Denial at work.

    I recommended Al-Anon, Adult Children of Alcoholics, and good counseling to Dale to deal with these painful issues.

  5. @ Velour:
    kind of you to explain this to CGCrasher …. looking back on everything, I can only think that Dale must have loved his father very, very much

  6. Latest update – 3/26/17

    Well, rent is due again this week… $565 + the fees = $615.
    I have food to get through until Tuesday or so.

    Still tired and sore, but less so, so improvement is good.

    Continuing to look for a car and a couch. 🙂

    Funny, for a writer, I sometimes have trouble knowing what to say here…Thank you all so much. Thank you.

    http://www.gofundme.com/ljahelp

  7. @ Jeannette Altes:

    Hi Jeannette,

    Good luck with everything.

    By the way, there is a good group called Debtors Anonymous that deals with debt, underearning, lack of revenue, etc. They offer an excellent form of support and pressure relief meetings, help with action plans, spending plans and the like.

    They have a phone in meeting for artists (which includes writers). They also have some other meetings for those with health-related issues. And then general meetings.

    It might give you support and ideas. Keep it in your tool box of things to know about.
    http://debtorsanonymous.org/getting_started/index.php/find/phone_meeting

  8. CHIPS wrote:

    Can you briefly explain the difference? What does the Greco-Roman version of God mean?

    In my earlier reply to you I promised some more thoughts. This is a very complicated philosophical discussion for which I am probably not qualified to participate. So I won’t dive too deeply right now.

    Here is a good discussion on God’s simplicity and indivisibility: http://www.iep.utm.edu/div-simp/. This idea of God began with the ancient Greeks and has prospered in the West. It posits a God of pure actuality with no potentiality, an unmoved mover, the first cause, completely set apart from creation. This makes a lot of logical sense to our Western minds, but it is not how God is described in the Bible (but it’s easy enough to project this onto him through our Western mindset). The concept of Trinity is difficult to bolt onto this view of God, but many have attempted to explain it.

    The Romans were practical, orderly, and respected hierarchy, power, and control. The Romans adopted Greek thought and culture and tied their Roman gods with Greek gods (Jupiter-Zeus, Juno-Hera, etc.). These gods were controlling, capricious, easily angered, and required sacrifice to appease their wrath. They were also subject to fate and justice. For the Romans, justice was focused on the consequences of breaking legal codes, and religious practices focused on practical means to keep the Gods on your side. It had a very utilitarian focus (the ancient Romans were very practical and efficient).

    When I say the Western mind is Greco-Roman I am saying that we view God through a lens shaped by this mythology and culture. In our Western mind, God’s holiness is all about his moral purity. So when we sin, the primary emphasis is on our guilt and the infinite offense of our sin to a morally perfect being, which places us under the wrath of this God. The guilt can only be resolved by a punishment to fit the crime. Since our guilt is infinite the punishment must be infinite, which means some kind of infinite sacrifice is required to satisfy the holy (legal) demands of this God.

    There is much to write about how God is revealed in the Bible that is very much different from what I wrote above. Last week I re-read “The Shack Revisited” by Baxter Kruger. That book is more about the theology of the Trinity than it is about “The Shack” (I felt like it was timely to re-read it based on all the re-kindled controversy about “The Shack”). I recommend reading it because Kruger explains the contrast between these two views better than I can. I hope this explanation is useful.

  9. Velour wrote:

    Catholic Gate-Crasher wrote:

    @ Dale:
    Dear Dale:
    Catholics have not hidden Jesus. Au contraire…we affirm His Presence everywhere and, in a special way, in the Blessed Sacrament. If you live in Charlotte, you must know about Saint Gabriel’s. Have you ever been to the Adoration Chapel there? I have. The Presence of Jesus is so powerful and palpable there it just about flattens one against the wall.
    St Matthew’s is a wonderful parish. Our diocese is very blessed. I hope and pray you will come to see this — at least so far as to stop being prejudiced against us.

    Dale and others were supposed to stop the pro and con discussion about the Catholic Church, per Guy Behind the Curtain, Dee, and Deb.

    GBTC deleted many comments.

    I will notify GBTC that it’s still going on as when he says “stop” he means “stop”.

    Thanks.

    Oops, sorry, I didn’t know that! I am just catching up on this thread. My apologies!

  10. Christiane wrote:

    @ Velour:
    kind of you to explain this to CGCrasher …. looking back on everything, I can only think that Dale must have loved his father very, very much

    Thank you, Velour and Christiane!!

  11. Update: sorry it’s taken awhile for me to update here. Most important please pray for billy and me as I made a tough decision in regards to a new friend of his. So a kid at school struck up a friendship with my son. In order to let up on the reigns and give billy some freedom I allowed him to ride home with this kid , go hang out and fish, and even hang out for spring break. All was going well until seven days later the day before spring break billy needed to ask for time off with his work. Long story short billy wasn’t getting that time off because he didn’t put in a request sooner. Billys friend was there he was very disrespectful to my sons bosses and billy was willing to quit his job to spend time with this kid. Fortunitely his boss didn’t let him quit and saw that his friend came across way to mature for billy. He showed a side of himself I didn’t see.
    So! Billy and I had a serious talk and he defended this kid tried to take all the blame for the kids behavior. I find out this kid has been juvenile hall for fighting, and when he finally comes around to talk to me about that situation he’s disrespectful to me by lying to my face three different times in that conversation and I could see he tried to put on the charm and work me. When he saw that didn’t work he looked bored as I was talking to him and kept looking at his watch.
    My son was willing to defend him at all cost. I realized this kid is bad news and has an agenda with my son. My son cried and said he has nobody , this was so hard to do in cutting off the relationship. I didn’t like seeing billy like that. I garnered the opinion three other adults all say the same, he seems to have an agenda with my son not sure what that is. This kid after being told I didn’t want to talk to him yet just showed up at my house. He lied several times to me in my home, and since my son knowing him changed my sons attitude where he was willing to drop everything just to hang out with this kid. I think this kid showered billly with attention and I found a text where he was trying to get billy to help him break up a relationship so he could go out with the girl. Billy was clear the boyfriend would hurt him. This guy was billys friend until I saw major red flags. He fights he started doing weed so I cut that off he and bully had gone to school together since 4th grade. Billy had a hard time with me cutting him off but now he sees why and agreed I was right about him. Anyway this kid said don’t worry I will protect you man I will go back to juvie for you. After I saw that and realized this other stuff about him I wigged out. I see a preditor honing in on my son. I can’t help it this kid wants in billys life and won’t stop so I made it clear to him directly I got his number and that billy will not be going anywhere with him. I get the sense he may try to get in billys ear and attempt to cause division between me and my son. He’s bad news and my heart can’t take someone hurting billy again I won’t survive it again. I don’t know what his intentions are and that scares me. Billy doesn’t see what I see and he just sees someone saying they want to be his friend and is love bombing him. He’s only known this kid a few weeks. Billy is respecting my decision to say no to the relationship but I think this kid is going to work my son he wanted to use billy to break up a relationship knowing that the other guy would hurt him. Billy even said no until he said I will protect you. That is what billy wanted when he was being raped was for someone to rescue him. He also told this kid what happened to him and I believe he’s using it to his advantage. This has created sleepless nights, ulcers flaring up as I a working through the night , and I have so much anxiety. My manager cut me down now to thirteen hours this week my paycheck will be around 100 how do I keep lights on pay rent buy food and gas pay phone bill on that? I can’t even prove that she’s retaliating against me by cutting my hours because I went in and talked to the store manager. She sabataged my transferring to another store. What do I do except leave but I need the money or we go downhill fast. I’m applying for city jobs this week. I’m barely hanging on to my sanity my heart. I need to be able to keep up with these weekly bills and needs. At the same time I’m fighting off someone willing to put my son in harms way. Please keep us in your prayers with this.
    http://www.gofundme.com/pdxs5
    Shauna and billy
    I hope that link is right

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