Things are happening rather quickly. So gald Daystar responded in this way.
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Daystar Television Network Is Removing All of Robert Morris Programming and Broadcasting — 91 Comments
I see that they still have James Robison on their programming lineup. Apparently he committed clergy sexual abuse against a teenage employee of his ministry around 1980. Daystar, please remove this programming as well. Robison himself was apparently a sexual predator who then became complicit in the Morris coverup.
And so the erasure of Morris from the Evangelical Industrial Complex begins. Robert Morris Who? Just like Paul Pressler Who? They were all in when he was bringing in the money and publicity, but now not so much. He will end up being erased from photos like loyal Communists who rubbed Stalin the wrong way.
<strong>Ed.note: Another comment by a person who is not trauma informed, facts informed, and who supports a person who confessed to molesting a 12-year-child.
I totally disagree. He dealt with his sin and God has redeemed him. Our God is a God is restoration. He never denied what he did.
Dale Rudiger:
I see that they still have James Robison on their programming lineup. Apparently he committed clergy sexual abuse against a teenage employee of his ministry around 1980. Daystar, please remove this programming as well. Robison himself was apparently a sexual predator who then became complicit in the Morris coverup.
I read a comment somewhere that said Mr Morris wife talked to the girl and told the girl she forgave her? Forgave her for what? Is this true? The girl was a victim not someone who had to ask forgiveness. I dont understand this if its true.
annonymous:
I read a comment somewhere that said Mr Morris wife talked to the girl and told the girl she forgave her? Forgave her for what? Is this true? The girl was a victim not someone who had to ask forgiveness. I dont understand this if its true.
For supposedly seducing her husband… at 12 years old! Blame was immediately placed on the victim.
So, why hasn’t Daystar removed T.D. Jakes from its programming? He has been recently implicated in sexual misconduct activities orchestrated by rapper Sean John P. Diddy Combs.
annonymous: I read a comment somewhere that said Mr Morris wife talked to the girl and told the girl she forgave her? Forgave her for what? Is this true? The girl was a victim not someone who had to ask forgiveness. I don’t understand this if its true.
It’s part of gaslighting manipulation to deny, attack, and reverse victim & offender (DARVO) … to distort reality and force the victim to question their own judgment. Sick.
Will God restore a child abuser to Gospel ministry? There are no examples in Scripture where He did that … only Scriptures that talk about consequences on those who offend little ones, which we are seeing now.
Yes, it’s true. Cindy states that in one of her written comments. Robert Morris’ wife, Debbie, is complicit in this child molestation too. She knew he was molesting a minor. But had the audacity to call Cindy and tell her Debbie forgave her. What a disgusting family.
I wonder if any of the elders of this church or even his wife would be so forgiving if it was their 12 year old child who had been molested? I think not!
I read your comment on the previous post, too.
Adults who use or abuse minors sexually are criminals – it is a CRIME.
So, you think we should save some tax dollars but doing away with the entire criminal justice system. No more jails, prisons, police, lawyers, judges, trials, etc…..
If an arsonists burns down your house with your dog in it, or a drunk broadsides you at an intersection and seriously injures your daughter, or a mugger hits you on the head with a bat and takes your purse, or a casual acquaintance forces himself on you sexually …… you’re saying you’ll forgive and forget???…. that we all should???
Ok…But Daystar & Joni Lamb still continue to follow Robert Morris’s social media pages. That is the Lamb family’s church and they called Morris a very close friend.
Tony Evans was booked to speak at Gateway in July. He outs himself (probably not by choice) then Morris gets outed….there is much more to this story and happening in these circles than we know or think. Suzy Lambs Instagram is exposing and interesting.
The church substituted the word accountability for the word restoration. Church leadership must remain accountable to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I believe ministers and all staff should have a contractual agreement that if they knowingly engage in sexual immorality, they will be fired immediately. Let God forgive them. But their restoration will be after joining the ranks of the unemployed.
If you ask the wrong question you never get the right question. The question is not one of forgiveness. The question is one of how did the church get to this place and what can be done to restore the concept of holiness before God?
It begins with holding all leadership accountable. If you want to whore around, do it wearing your Pizza Hut uniform. But don’t do it as church leadership. You have violated a trust.
A few weeks ago James Robison on Daystar referred to his wife as “drop dead gorgeous.” That is when I ceased giving to each of his ministries. His comment seemed inappropriate because it’s a woman’s inner beauty from the heart that is what matters to God.
Several years ago, this happened to me. Different church.. different “man of the cloth”.When this was discovered,the church, a very large one, sent me away because they were afraid of what he would do to me. He had done the same thing in SEVERAL churches. No one was told. They fired Hime and offered HIM counseling. I was fired and COMPLETELY ostracized. Now pastors another big church. Not only these people…took me a LONG time to recover
Dear Kathy,
I see from your previous post you have been sexually abused more than 1 time. I am hoping that you have not confused forgiveness with enabling. You sound like you have forgiven the people who have done this crime towards you, but have you given them freedom to commit the same crime on someone else? If your past trauma ever comes to the surface…we will be here for you. It’s what we do here. Dee is our Robin Hood and we are her Merry Men/Women. We forgive, we just don’t want crimes to happen again…on our watch!
You’ve been making these comments on several posts lately. Serious question: why is it so important to you that a man who exploited trust and abused power to harm a child for his own gratification continue to be seen as a spiritual authority figure?
Would any business or institution hire an accountant who confessed to past embezzlement, repentant or not? Or a maintenance worker with an arson record? Heck, would you hire a pet sitter who had a record of cruelty to animals? Why should a pastor-a spiritual shepherd whose influence can extend to the most intimate parts of congregants’ lives-be subject to a less rigorous standard? Does God need him that much?
We must all have discernment to put our faith in the Rock of Jesus Christ and not on the pebble of a man. We have not seen or heard a broken or repentant heart from RM or GW elders. All we have seen is how can we salvage what we have left of our image. When you believe you are the model church for all other churches, you better walk the walk.
Donna: We must all have discernment to put our faith in the Rock of Jesus Christ and not on the pebble of a man.
“Discernment” in the original meaning of seeing the reality beneath surface appearances?
Or “Discernment(TM)” as in its “diabolical Christainese meaning” of smelling out DEMONS! and WITCHES! in every closet, under every bed, and in every set of D&D dice and Goodwill sweaters?
Donna: We have not seen or heard a broken or repentant heart from RM or GW elders
They can’t do that now … they are in damage control mode. That would be admitting wrong and would cast doubt on their leadership as they are trying to maneuver out of this mess. They’ve even hired a crisis management legal firm to help mitigate the financial loss and salvage their reputation. Nope, can’t repent now … too much at stake … the gravy train must keep moving!
Headless Unicorn Guy: “Discernment” in the original meaning of seeing the reality beneath surface appearances?
Or “Discernment(TM)” as in its “diabolical Christainese meaning” of smelling out DEMONS! and WITCHES! in every closet, under every bed, and in every set of D&D dice and Goodwill sweaters?
So many Christians I have met over the years said they had the so-called “Discernment” but were completely oblivious to the frauds, hucksters, unqualified pastors and ministries they supported (like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland for example). Every once in while their discernment light bulb would go off and they would see something correctly. But then even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then.
These characters don’t have “spiritual” authority … they simply have a power differential over the congregation. Instead of following the divine plan to be a servant to the Body of Christ, too many “pastors” and “elders” have taken on the role of overlord … and that springs from a totally different spirit than the Holy Spirit.
Tamera Swofford: The church substituted the word accountability for the word restoration. Church leadership must remain accountable to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Those who “restore” use the following Scripture to justify their actions:
“If any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual, who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit, should set him right and restore him” (Galatians 6:1 AMP)
Problem is, after doing church in America for over 70 years, I can count on one hand the number of pastors/elders that I thought were “responsive to and controlled by the Spirit” … most were controlled by the flesh as evidenced by their life Monday-Saturday. Southern Baptists call them “demon-deacons” … others call them what they are “reprobates.” I once knew a deacon who offered up flowery prayers on Sunday mornings, then cussed business associates out through the week. You didn’t want him restoring any dudebros!
When a child abuser is “restored” to ministry, the restorers are not being “accountable to the teachings of Jesus Christ” … in my humble, but accurate, opinion.
Max: Those who “restore” use the following Scripture to justify their actions:
“If any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual, who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit, should set him right and restore him” (Galatians 6:1 AMP)
Problem is, after doing church in America for over 70 years, I can count on one hand the number of pastors/elders that I thought were “responsive to and controlled by the Spirit” … most were controlled by the flesh as evidenced by their life Monday-Saturday.Southern Baptists call them “demon-deacons” … others call them what they are “reprobates.”I once knew a deacon who offered up flowery prayers on Sunday mornings, then cussed business associates out through the week.You didn’t want him restoring any dudebros!
When a child abuser is “restored” to ministry, the restorers are not being “accountable to the teachings of Jesus Christ” … in my humble, but accurate, opinion.
Also, any legitimate restoration would be a restoration to the fellowship, not getting your old job/position/title back if your fall means you are no longer biblically qualified to be a pastor, elder, or deacon. Morris can be a lay person just like all the rest and with fruits of repentance, he may even be allowed to work in the parking ministry as an attendant.
But then it was written by David French, so all the hardcore Trump supporters will immediately dismiss it.
But everyone knows the story of the Prodigal, but here is a key point from the passage
“I’ll get up, go to my father, and say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I’m no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired workers.”’ (CSB)
Read the latter bit. Notice that the prodigal son does not ask for his former position, place of power, authority, prestige, and honor. Just a broken man wishing only to be a hired hand.
Who is like the prodigal son? Is it the famous pastor who apparently believes that six months in the wilderness is long enough and then he can get back into the pulpit? Or pastors with other “restorations”?
“Repentance doesn’t look like “restoration,” it looks like resignation. The best thing that a minister or a leader with a “changed heart” can do is to go away.”
Nobody is above the law. There needs to be accountability and this man has not faced what anyone else who committed a felony of sexual abuse with a minor would face. It’s really sad when the church tries to cover up crimes.
Maybe if the church pays taxes they might not feel so entitled.
R’as al Ghul: The best thing that a minister or a leader with a “changed heart” can do is to go away.”
When the Apostle Paul was converted, he disappeared into the Arabian wilderness three years before he began his public ministry. I’m not recommending that for Mr. Morris, however … he just needs to disappear – his appearing has caused the church enough grief.
Watchful: So, why hasn’t Daystar removed T.D. Jakes from its programming? He has been recently implicated in sexual misconduct activities orchestrated by rapper Sean John P. Diddy Combs.
Because Jakes is African American.
And they don’t wanna’ risk howls of ‘racism’.
Lety: Maybe if the church pays taxes they might not feel so entitled.
I’ve advocated for years that religion should be taxed.
It’s not fair that little Bill nobody gets taxed out the wazoo, while big Bob the tele-preacher pays zilch and gets to buy a new mansion and a new jet
Restored to right standing with God and family. Yes. But I do not think that particular verse is in context of leadership. God established forgiveness at the Cross. But He also set in motion cause and effect, sowing and reaping.
I am merely noting that for leadership, accountability first. For any situation there is immediate and ultimate responsibility. It is a binary process which works well. This means that the one culpable is made to assume immediate responsibility for their actions. And there will be an ultimate responsibility punted to the one who did not cause the issue, but who is in an overwatch position. Crimes must be dealt with swiftly and with immediacy. And within chain of command or a lateral chain of command such as a church governing board, the ultimate responsibility to deal with an immediate situation belongs with someone or some established organizational entity. It is a failure of duty not to step up to the plate.
By example, the higher my rank when in the military, the greater the onus was on me to be an example to those under my chain of command within any department, or for that matter, exemplary within my detachment and command. I never betrayed that oath. It is no different in the church. A senior pastor has the greater burden of ethical behavior than the member in particular. This is the price paid for leadership.
Regarding Mr. Morris, his particular crime – the recidivism rate can be noted on page three of this document.
I choose government statistical assessments because a Biblical parable takes note that the children of the world can be wiser than the children of light. The data is depressing regarding recidivism.
Juni: Several years ago, this happened to me. Different church.. different “man of the cloth”.When this was discovered,the church, a very large one, sent me away because they were afraid of what he would do to me. He had done the same thing in SEVERAL churches. No one was told. They fired Hime and offered HIM counseling. I was fired and COMPLETELY ostracized. Now pastors another big church. Not only these people…took me a LONG time to recover
That’s just horrible!! There needs to be a registry for Clergical Offenders. So they don’t hop from denomination to denomination.
My cousin’s Ex was a U Methodist preacher who cheated on her. My sweet innocent cousin. Cognitively incapable of hurting a fly. Next thing you know he’s pastoring another church, same denomination!
Marriage vows meant nothing. “In sickness and in health”
Max: When the Apostle Paul was converted, he disappeared into the Arabian wilderness three years before he began his public ministry.I’m not recommending that for Mr. Morris, however … he just needs to disappear – his appearing has caused the church enough grief.
tammy swofford: Restored to right standing with God and family. Yes. But I do not think that particular verse is in context of leadership. God established forgiveness at the Cross. But He also set in motion cause and effect, sowing and reaping.
Exactly. Forgive Mr. Morris if he genuinely repents (yet to be seen)? Certainly. Restore him to ministry? Absolutely not! You will find no reference in the New Testament of a pastor being restored to the pulpit who failed morally … only rebuke. Consequences.
Sowing and reaping? You reap what you sow, more than you sow, later than you sow.
tammy swofford: A senior pastor has the greater burden of ethical behavior than the member in particular.
Restored to right standing with God and family. Yes. But I do not think that particular verse is in context of leadership.God established forgiveness at the Cross.But He also set in motion cause and effect, sowing and reaping.
I am merely noting that for leadership, accountability first. For any situation there is immediate and ultimate responsibility. It is a binary process which works well.This means that the one culpable is made to assume immediate responsibility for their actions.And there will be an ultimate responsibility punted to the one who did not cause the issue, but who is in an overwatch position. Crimes must be dealt with swiftly and with immediacy. And within chain of command or a lateral chain of command such as a church governing board, the ultimate responsibility to deal with an immediate situation belongs with someone or some established organizational entity. It is a failure of duty not to step up to the plate.
By example, the higher my rank when in the military, the greater the onus was on me to be an example to those under my chain of command within any department, or for that matter, exemplary within my detachment and command.I never betrayed that oath.It is no different in the church.A senior pastor has the greater burden of ethical behavior than the member in particular. This is the price paid for leadership.
Regarding Mr. Morris, his particular crime – the recidivism rate can be noted on page three of this document.
I choose government statistical assessments because a Biblical parable takes note that the children of the world can be wiser than the children of light.The data is depressing regarding recidivism.
Don’t pet the snakes. Smoke ’em out.
I have family members in the military and they understand perfectly. Also, one can delegate authority, but never responsibility. That is why a Navy CO of a ship is beached permanently if his ship has a collision or grounding (even if he is asleep in his rack and the duty officer issued the order).
Are you aware that Morris preaches a sermon series twice a year on his personal testimony? In his testimony in front of about 10,000 people he implies the extramarital affair was consensual with an adult. Living a lie for 24 years from the pulpit is ongoing, deliberate sin. Not an old sin wash by the blood, thrown as far as the East is from the West.
Ed. Note: Perhaps your faith is built on sinking sand and not the full counsel of the Scriptures. This was not just a sin but a crime. The Scriptures told us we are to honor the laws of our country unless they disagree with God’s law. Morris should have spent time in prison. Then, as a church member and even more so as a pastor he needed to confess his sin and show true remorse. he did not.There was a young girl whose life was shattered by a pastor who conned her. It has affected her life. Morris wouldn’t even pay her counseling bills and even called her flirtatious in 2005 through his attorney. You have been groomed by a master groomer and I am sorry. Find a good church and revisit your faith. Do you know the authentic Jesus?
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.” What happened to forgive those who trespass against us? Thirty plus years ago, he came forward and took responsibility and “society” set his path to redemption. Thirty plus years later and the church (of all entities) and his accuser continue to castigate Pastor Robert. Unlike everyday life there is no second chance in the church, of all places. It is issues like this that lead me to sometimes doubt my faith.
Sarah Harris: Living a lie for 24 years from the pulpit is ongoing, deliberate sin.
All the time implying that his ministry was under the favor of God … God just doesn’t do stuff like that! What you see at Gateway is a successful business model of doing church without God.
Rebecca Wilhite: The James Robinson you told about is not the one on T.V.
? … what other “James Robison” meets this description, as presented in the article:
“Robison is one of the nation’s best-known TV evangelists. His broadcasts are aired on more than 100 stations in the United States and Canada from his ministry’s headquarters in Euless, a city between Dallas and Fort Worth.”
Harold:
Ed. Note: Perhaps your faith is built on sinking sand and not the full counsel of the Scriptures. This was not just a sin but a crime. The Scriptures told us we are to honor the laws of our country unless they disagree with God’s law. Morris should have spent time in prison. Then, as a church member and even more so as a pastor he needed to confess his sin and show true remorse. he did not.There was a young girl whose life was shattered by a pastor who conned her. It has affected her life. Morris wouldn’t even pay her counseling bills and even called her flirtatious in 2005 through his attorney.You have been groomed by a master groomer and I am sorry. Find a good church and revisit your faith. Do you know the authentic Jesus?
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.” What happened to forgive those who trespass against us? Thirty plus years ago, he came forward and took responsibility and “society” set his path to redemption. Thirty plus years later and the church (of all entities) and his accuser continue to castigate Pastor Robert. Unlike everyday life there is no second chance in the church, of all places. It is issues like this that lead me to sometimes doubt my faith.
He took responsibility for an affair, not pedophilia. Not the same. Then tried to blame it on a child. I believe that is the description of a narcissist. There is forgiveness of sin, with repentance.
Sad that Christians in the USA( can’t comment about elsewhere as I’ve only lived here in USA)have NOT learned the lesson to just lift up JESUS. Jesus said it Himself, “If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me”(all of mankind) we lift up Pastors, leaders, ministries, singers, rappers, etc., but NOT Jesus. I feel like the whole religious system of American Christianity needs to collapse and the Lord Himself does a great move and then bring on the Antichrist and all other aspects of Bible prophecy to finish this world for the Millenial Reign of Jesus from Jerusalem and then Eternity future after that.
Harold: Thirty plus years ago, he came forward and took responsibility and “society” set his path to redemption.
“Society” had nothing to do with it! A small band of elders at Shady Grove Church made a wrong decision to restore rather than permanently disqualify Mr. Morris from ministry. Responsibility? … those church leaders failed their mandated responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. I’ve read nothing of Mr. Morris taking responsibility for this horrible offense against a child … until he was recently exposed.
I don’t know what position Gateway Church as an institution will take, but one former pastor is not pulling many punches. Based on the prose, I would say Hamp had this post tee-up and ready to go for a while.
Amen! James is more guilty than Robert in this cover up. It is always about the money. James has a look of Satan in his eyes and you see that in so May of the preachers today. Look at Kenneth Copeland.
It makes no sense to me why BH is being platformed so much this week given what’s been reported in the comments here regarding him. I don’t know if all that was written about why he left GW has been confirmed, but the discipline on his license is publicly available and easily accessible. Not to mention someone posted a direct link somewhere in the comments here a few days back. Why didn’t these investigative reporters find that info or if they did why are they still giving him so much positive press?
I disagree. Your talking about televangelist, who have probably long forgotten God and his laws. Many are multimillionaire living in estates and have their own airplanes and pilot on staff. They’re overwhelmed by greed in every way and can quote scripture at the drop of a hat but feel no love of God or His Word.
In our individual churches, many of our pastors don’t receive a salary and spend much time preparing for their weekly services. They work for the Lord in and out of church. They’re known and respected in every facet of their lives. Of course, there are always exceptions to these rules, but I’m of the belief that the majority of it pastors are humble servants and Good examples of Christian leaders
All church employees including pastors need to be background checked a minimum every 2 years period!! Every professional job requires a background check!!
Overwhelmed by greed, self importance, and entitlement – including entitlement to the bodies of women and children with no consequence. Where I have seen this it hasn’t been mega churches. Just moderate sized. No airplanes but still the narcissism and entitlement.
Ed. note on original comment. We are called to judge. Morris molested a child. That is wrong and that is a judgement. It is Scriptural. God wants us to judge actions and that is why we have the Law to guide us. However, when we repent, truly in our hearts, there is the Gospel. What we must not judge is the salvation of another. That is in the hands of He Who is at a Higher Pay Grade than we are. If your child disobeys you and stays out late drinking, you are to judge her actions and discipline her. That is a judgement. be careful when you speak about “judge not.” Put it in context. Where was Jesus and to whom was He speaking.
Watchman on the Wall:
I wonder if any of the elders of this church or even his wife would be so forgiving if it was their 12 year old child who had been molested?I think not!
We are in a rough time. God is exposing what we try to hide or have moved on from. Part of the test is remembering that Jesus said where are those who condemn you? Jesus does not condemn but offers redemption. The relationship with God is personal. While we don’t like certain sins we hear about, God still tells us to judge not and to forgive. It’s a rough time. If you believe… you follow what the Lord says.
Please read 1 Cor. 5, especially the last couple verses. I would have been so encouraged to hear if Gateway chose that passage to preach on this weekend, but I don’t think they did.
UM…Robert Morris is a CRIMINAL PEDOPHILE! WWJD???? “if you hurt ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES, it would be better for you to have a mill stone hung around your neck and you be thrown in the sea to drown!” Jesus advocated the death penalty for pedophiles and the like…interesting that the Governor of Tennessee just signed into law the death penalty for anyone raping a child! You people that “claim” Christianity and then reject the VERY WORDS OF JESUS are a disgrace!
annonymous:
I read a comment somewhere that said Mr Morris wife talked to the girl and told the girl she forgave her? Forgave her for what? Is this true? The girl was a victim not someone who had to ask forgiveness. I dont understand this if its true.
Yeah Robert Morris said that in one of his many lying statements about his sexual abuse of her.
What makes sense is that Mr. Morris most likely distorted the facts of the situation to his wife to make himself the victim possibly stating the girl came onto him. Therefore, the apology Mrs. Morris gave to the victim, Cindy, would be more plausible in her forgiveness journey. Unless Mr. Morris states whether this is true, we will all continue to draw conclusions. The situation is horrible though no matter what was or was not said by the Morris’! In the end, judgement is between God and Mr. (Pastor) Morris.
From what I understand, in Texas and Oklahoma there is a statue of limitations. Apparently Robert can’t be prosecuted. This is wrong on so many levels. There is no statue of limitations on the victim having to live with this the rest of her life.
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I see that they still have James Robison on their programming lineup. Apparently he committed clergy sexual abuse against a teenage employee of his ministry around 1980. Daystar, please remove this programming as well. Robison himself was apparently a sexual predator who then became complicit in the Morris coverup.
https://greensboro.com/tv-evangelist-had-affair-reports-claim/article_f633330d-295d-5942-9d50-0c5d9e29cba0.html
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And so the erasure of Morris from the Evangelical Industrial Complex begins. Robert Morris Who? Just like Paul Pressler Who? They were all in when he was bringing in the money and publicity, but now not so much. He will end up being erased from photos like loyal Communists who rubbed Stalin the wrong way.
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<strong>Ed.note: Another comment by a person who is not trauma informed, facts informed, and who supports a person who confessed to molesting a 12-year-child.
I totally disagree. He dealt with his sin and God has redeemed him. Our God is a God is restoration. He never denied what he did.
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I read a comment somewhere that said Mr Morris wife talked to the girl and told the girl she forgave her? Forgave her for what? Is this true? The girl was a victim not someone who had to ask forgiveness. I dont understand this if its true.
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For supposedly seducing her husband… at 12 years old! Blame was immediately placed on the victim.
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So, why hasn’t Daystar removed T.D. Jakes from its programming? He has been recently implicated in sexual misconduct activities orchestrated by rapper Sean John P. Diddy Combs.
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It’s part of gaslighting manipulation to deny, attack, and reverse victim & offender (DARVO) … to distort reality and force the victim to question their own judgment. Sick.
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Distorting facts with mistruth and half-truth is a form of denial about what really happened. The victim was a child, not a “young lady.”
Will God forgive the truly repentant? Certainly!
Will God restore a child abuser to Gospel ministry? There are no examples in Scripture where He did that … only Scriptures that talk about consequences on those who offend little ones, which we are seeing now.
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annonymous,
Yes, it’s true. Cindy states that in one of her written comments. Robert Morris’ wife, Debbie, is complicit in this child molestation too. She knew he was molesting a minor. But had the audacity to call Cindy and tell her Debbie forgave her. What a disgusting family.
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I wonder if any of the elders of this church or even his wife would be so forgiving if it was their 12 year old child who had been molested? I think not!
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Any news as to whether TBN will follow suit? Nothing on their website, nor on their Facebook or X accounts.
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Kathy Noll,
I read your comment on the previous post, too.
Adults who use or abuse minors sexually are criminals – it is a CRIME.
So, you think we should save some tax dollars but doing away with the entire criminal justice system. No more jails, prisons, police, lawyers, judges, trials, etc…..
If an arsonists burns down your house with your dog in it, or a drunk broadsides you at an intersection and seriously injures your daughter, or a mugger hits you on the head with a bat and takes your purse, or a casual acquaintance forces himself on you sexually …… you’re saying you’ll forgive and forget???…. that we all should???
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TBN has removed him from airing as of today
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And the hits keep coming. I mentioned in an earlier that Robert Morris is quickly becoming radioactive. No one will want to be anywhere near him.
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“Let justice flow like a river, and let goodness and righteousness flow like a never-ending ever-flowing stream” (Amos 5:24)
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Ok…But Daystar & Joni Lamb still continue to follow Robert Morris’s social media pages. That is the Lamb family’s church and they called Morris a very close friend.
Tony Evans was booked to speak at Gateway in July. He outs himself (probably not by choice) then Morris gets outed….there is much more to this story and happening in these circles than we know or think. Suzy Lambs Instagram is exposing and interesting.
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Kathy Noll,
The church substituted the word accountability for the word restoration. Church leadership must remain accountable to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I believe ministers and all staff should have a contractual agreement that if they knowingly engage in sexual immorality, they will be fired immediately. Let God forgive them. But their restoration will be after joining the ranks of the unemployed.
If you ask the wrong question you never get the right question. The question is not one of forgiveness. The question is one of how did the church get to this place and what can be done to restore the concept of holiness before God?
It begins with holding all leadership accountable. If you want to whore around, do it wearing your Pizza Hut uniform. But don’t do it as church leadership. You have violated a trust.
Tamera Swofford(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dale Rudiger,
A few weeks ago James Robison on Daystar referred to his wife as “drop dead gorgeous.” That is when I ceased giving to each of his ministries. His comment seemed inappropriate because it’s a woman’s inner beauty from the heart that is what matters to God.
Debbie(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
doubleplusunpersons.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
ManaGAWD parading Smokin Hawt Wifey like Padishah Xerxes did Shabanou Vashti:
“LOOK WHAT I GOT THAT YOU! CAN’T! HAVE!”
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
In Calvin Miller’s The Valiant Papers (a reversal of The Screwtape Letters), wasn’t “Daystar” the original Angelic name of Satan?
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Tamera Swofford,
“The question is one of how did the church get to this place…”
+++++++++++++++++++
it’s quite obvious in too many of the commenters this week.
all the conviction of right and wrong of a flaccid sea cucumber.
Let alone the courage to take a stand for it and insist on stellar integrity and consequences & accountability for leaders who choose otherwise.
that is if ‘above reproach’ means anything at all.
elastigirl(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
first of all, robert morris lied, deceived, misled everyone.
redemption & restoration are fully compatible with accountability and consequences.
criminy, my atheist, agnostic, muslim and hindu friends and family have far superior integrity to any christian leader i’ve observed.
because shoddy character in christian leaders is accommodated by their followers and christian culture at large.
it’s pathetic.
elastigirl(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Several years ago, this happened to me. Different church.. different “man of the cloth”.When this was discovered,the church, a very large one, sent me away because they were afraid of what he would do to me. He had done the same thing in SEVERAL churches. No one was told. They fired Hime and offered HIM counseling. I was fired and COMPLETELY ostracized. Now pastors another big church. Not only these people…took me a LONG time to recover
Juni(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Debbie,
Maybe he was also talking about the inside
Juni(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
Dear Kathy,
I see from your previous post you have been sexually abused more than 1 time. I am hoping that you have not confused forgiveness with enabling. You sound like you have forgiven the people who have done this crime towards you, but have you given them freedom to commit the same crime on someone else? If your past trauma ever comes to the surface…we will be here for you. It’s what we do here. Dee is our Robin Hood and we are her Merry Men/Women. We forgive, we just don’t want crimes to happen again…on our watch!
Watchman on the Wall(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
He is a child abuser and a dog of a man jail twenty years end of story
Dean(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
You forgot the “Neener, Neener, Neener” he says at the end of that phrase.
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
You’ve been making these comments on several posts lately. Serious question: why is it so important to you that a man who exploited trust and abused power to harm a child for his own gratification continue to be seen as a spiritual authority figure?
Would any business or institution hire an accountant who confessed to past embezzlement, repentant or not? Or a maintenance worker with an arson record? Heck, would you hire a pet sitter who had a record of cruelty to animals? Why should a pastor-a spiritual shepherd whose influence can extend to the most intimate parts of congregants’ lives-be subject to a less rigorous standard? Does God need him that much?
CMT(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
We must all have discernment to put our faith in the Rock of Jesus Christ and not on the pebble of a man. We have not seen or heard a broken or repentant heart from RM or GW elders. All we have seen is how can we salvage what we have left of our image. When you believe you are the model church for all other churches, you better walk the walk.
Donna(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Like Chad Foottballjock in high school, showing off his cheerleader squeeze.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Discernment” in the original meaning of seeing the reality beneath surface appearances?
Or “Discernment(TM)” as in its “diabolical Christainese meaning” of smelling out DEMONS! and WITCHES! in every closet, under every bed, and in every set of D&D dice and Goodwill sweaters?
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
They can’t do that now … they are in damage control mode. That would be admitting wrong and would cast doubt on their leadership as they are trying to maneuver out of this mess. They’ve even hired a crisis management legal firm to help mitigate the financial loss and salvage their reputation. Nope, can’t repent now … too much at stake … the gravy train must keep moving!
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
So many Christians I have met over the years said they had the so-called “Discernment” but were completely oblivious to the frauds, hucksters, unqualified pastors and ministries they supported (like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland for example). Every once in while their discernment light bulb would go off and they would see something correctly. But then even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then.
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
These characters don’t have “spiritual” authority … they simply have a power differential over the congregation. Instead of following the divine plan to be a servant to the Body of Christ, too many “pastors” and “elders” have taken on the role of overlord … and that springs from a totally different spirit than the Holy Spirit.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Good Lord! Is it too much to ask a “man of the cloth” to keep his pants on!!
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
That’s changed! When we watched him years ago, he used to talk about how handsome he was.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Those who “restore” use the following Scripture to justify their actions:
“If any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual, who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit, should set him right and restore him” (Galatians 6:1 AMP)
Problem is, after doing church in America for over 70 years, I can count on one hand the number of pastors/elders that I thought were “responsive to and controlled by the Spirit” … most were controlled by the flesh as evidenced by their life Monday-Saturday. Southern Baptists call them “demon-deacons” … others call them what they are “reprobates.” I once knew a deacon who offered up flowery prayers on Sunday mornings, then cussed business associates out through the week. You didn’t want him restoring any dudebros!
When a child abuser is “restored” to ministry, the restorers are not being “accountable to the teachings of Jesus Christ” … in my humble, but accurate, opinion.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Also, any legitimate restoration would be a restoration to the fellowship, not getting your old job/position/title back if your fall means you are no longer biblically qualified to be a pastor, elder, or deacon. Morris can be a lay person just like all the rest and with fruits of repentance, he may even be allowed to work in the parking ministry as an attendant.
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
What repentance really looks like:
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/frenchpress/remembering-what-repentance-looks-like/
But then it was written by David French, so all the hardcore Trump supporters will immediately dismiss it.
But everyone knows the story of the Prodigal, but here is a key point from the passage
“I’ll get up, go to my father, and say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I’m no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired workers.”’ (CSB)
Read the latter bit. Notice that the prodigal son does not ask for his former position, place of power, authority, prestige, and honor. Just a broken man wishing only to be a hired hand.
Who is like the prodigal son? Is it the famous pastor who apparently believes that six months in the wilderness is long enough and then he can get back into the pulpit? Or pastors with other “restorations”?
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
From a Twitter quote:
“Repentance doesn’t look like “restoration,” it looks like resignation. The best thing that a minister or a leader with a “changed heart” can do is to go away.”
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Driscoll who? … Ravi who? … Hybels who? … Bickle who? … Morris who? … etc. etc.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
R’as al Ghul,
perhaps turning oneself in to the police
elastigirl(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Does anyone want to address the abuse of Scott from Gateway Frisco? They brushed that under the rug.
Church girl(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Big EVA (evangelicalism) is dying out, and good riddance.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The perfect have spoken
Stone Holder(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Nobody is above the law. There needs to be accountability and this man has not faced what anyone else who committed a felony of sexual abuse with a minor would face. It’s really sad when the church tries to cover up crimes.
Maybe if the church pays taxes they might not feel so entitled.
Lety(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
When the Apostle Paul was converted, he disappeared into the Arabian wilderness three years before he began his public ministry. I’m not recommending that for Mr. Morris, however … he just needs to disappear – his appearing has caused the church enough grief.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Because Jakes is African American.
And they don’t wanna’ risk howls of ‘racism’.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I’ve advocated for years that religion should be taxed.
It’s not fair that little Bill nobody gets taxed out the wazoo, while big Bob the tele-preacher pays zilch and gets to buy a new mansion and a new jet
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The cloth giveth
And the cloth dropeth to the floor.
Sandy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
Restored to right standing with God and family. Yes. But I do not think that particular verse is in context of leadership. God established forgiveness at the Cross. But He also set in motion cause and effect, sowing and reaping.
I am merely noting that for leadership, accountability first. For any situation there is immediate and ultimate responsibility. It is a binary process which works well. This means that the one culpable is made to assume immediate responsibility for their actions. And there will be an ultimate responsibility punted to the one who did not cause the issue, but who is in an overwatch position. Crimes must be dealt with swiftly and with immediacy. And within chain of command or a lateral chain of command such as a church governing board, the ultimate responsibility to deal with an immediate situation belongs with someone or some established organizational entity. It is a failure of duty not to step up to the plate.
By example, the higher my rank when in the military, the greater the onus was on me to be an example to those under my chain of command within any department, or for that matter, exemplary within my detachment and command. I never betrayed that oath. It is no different in the church. A senior pastor has the greater burden of ethical behavior than the member in particular. This is the price paid for leadership.
Regarding Mr. Morris, his particular crime – the recidivism rate can be noted on page three of this document.
https://smart.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh231/files/media/document/recidivismofadultsexualoffenders.pdf
For those involved in possession and distribution of child pornography, recidivism is also high.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25844514/
I choose government statistical assessments because a Biblical parable takes note that the children of the world can be wiser than the children of light. The data is depressing regarding recidivism.
Don’t pet the snakes. Smoke ’em out.
tammy swofford(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
That’s just horrible!! There needs to be a registry for Clergical Offenders. So they don’t hop from denomination to denomination.
My cousin’s Ex was a U Methodist preacher who cheated on her. My sweet innocent cousin. Cognitively incapable of hurting a fly. Next thing you know he’s pastoring another church, same denomination!
Marriage vows meant nothing. “In sickness and in health”
BZ(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
The whole family should bow out.
Donna(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
RM lives in a large private compound…. He has 2 neighbors…. 1 is Lambs who own Daystar and 2. The folks who own TBN…
Aggie(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Exactly. Forgive Mr. Morris if he genuinely repents (yet to be seen)? Certainly. Restore him to ministry? Absolutely not! You will find no reference in the New Testament of a pastor being restored to the pulpit who failed morally … only rebuke. Consequences.
Sowing and reaping? You reap what you sow, more than you sow, later than you sow.
To whom much is given, much is required.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Imperfect vessels just speaking the truth, Stone.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I have family members in the military and they understand perfectly. Also, one can delegate authority, but never responsibility. That is why a Navy CO of a ship is beached permanently if his ship has a collision or grounding (even if he is asleep in his rack and the duty officer issued the order).
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Must a bit awkward now, seeing as how both networks have erased Morris from their programming, website, etc.
R’as al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dawn Billings,
The James Robinson you told about is not the one on T.V. pull up the one you told about. You can see it’s not Pastor James Robinson on T.V.
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Rebecca Wilhite(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
Are you aware that Morris preaches a sermon series twice a year on his personal testimony? In his testimony in front of about 10,000 people he implies the extramarital affair was consensual with an adult. Living a lie for 24 years from the pulpit is ongoing, deliberate sin. Not an old sin wash by the blood, thrown as far as the East is from the West.
Sarah Harris(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Juni,
Juni,
No, they were advertising supplements that in his and his wife’s opinions have kept them looking younger over the years.
Debbie(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Ed. Note: Perhaps your faith is built on sinking sand and not the full counsel of the Scriptures. This was not just a sin but a crime. The Scriptures told us we are to honor the laws of our country unless they disagree with God’s law. Morris should have spent time in prison. Then, as a church member and even more so as a pastor he needed to confess his sin and show true remorse. he did not.There was a young girl whose life was shattered by a pastor who conned her. It has affected her life. Morris wouldn’t even pay her counseling bills and even called her flirtatious in 2005 through his attorney. You have been groomed by a master groomer and I am sorry. Find a good church and revisit your faith. Do you know the authentic Jesus?
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.” What happened to forgive those who trespass against us? Thirty plus years ago, he came forward and took responsibility and “society” set his path to redemption. Thirty plus years later and the church (of all entities) and his accuser continue to castigate Pastor Robert. Unlike everyday life there is no second chance in the church, of all places. It is issues like this that lead me to sometimes doubt my faith.
Harold(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
All the time implying that his ministry was under the favor of God … God just doesn’t do stuff like that! What you see at Gateway is a successful business model of doing church without God.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
? … what other “James Robison” meets this description, as presented in the article:
“Robison is one of the nation’s best-known TV evangelists. His broadcasts are aired on more than 100 stations in the United States and Canada from his ministry’s headquarters in Euless, a city between Dallas and Fort Worth.”
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
He took responsibility for an affair, not pedophilia. Not the same. Then tried to blame it on a child. I believe that is the description of a narcissist. There is forgiveness of sin, with repentance.
Donna(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
ALLEGATIONS?????? Morris admitted this crime happened !!!!!!
Monique(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Sad that Christians in the USA( can’t comment about elsewhere as I’ve only lived here in USA)have NOT learned the lesson to just lift up JESUS. Jesus said it Himself, “If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me”(all of mankind) we lift up Pastors, leaders, ministries, singers, rappers, etc., but NOT Jesus. I feel like the whole religious system of American Christianity needs to collapse and the Lord Himself does a great move and then bring on the Antichrist and all other aspects of Bible prophecy to finish this world for the Millenial Reign of Jesus from Jerusalem and then Eternity future after that.
Kevin L. Jones(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Yes, the word “allegation” can be dropped at this point.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Society” had nothing to do with it! A small band of elders at Shady Grove Church made a wrong decision to restore rather than permanently disqualify Mr. Morris from ministry. Responsibility? … those church leaders failed their mandated responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. I’ve read nothing of Mr. Morris taking responsibility for this horrible offense against a child … until he was recently exposed.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
There is an interesting blog post referencing Bob Hamp, the former executive pastor of pastoral care at Gateway Church from 2005 to 2014 at
https://www.faithwire.com/2024/06/21/fallout-continues-amid-robert-morris-scandal-as-ex-pastor-delivers-message-to-the-church/
I don’t know what position Gateway Church as an institution will take, but one former pastor is not pulling many punches. Based on the prose, I would say Hamp had this post tee-up and ready to go for a while.
Dave(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dale Rudiger,
Amen! James is more guilty than Robert in this cover up. It is always about the money. James has a look of Satan in his eyes and you see that in so May of the preachers today. Look at Kenneth Copeland.
Joseph(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dave,
It makes no sense to me why BH is being platformed so much this week given what’s been reported in the comments here regarding him. I don’t know if all that was written about why he left GW has been confirmed, but the discipline on his license is publicly available and easily accessible. Not to mention someone posted a direct link somewhere in the comments here a few days back. Why didn’t these investigative reporters find that info or if they did why are they still giving him so much positive press?
NoelleLynn(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Heard a slip of the tongue on a YouTube video today:
“PREDOPHILIA”
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Harold,
Another line from a YouTube video, today, this one a proverb:
“HIT DOG WILL HOLLER!”
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
elastigirl,
I disagree. Your talking about televangelist, who have probably long forgotten God and his laws. Many are multimillionaire living in estates and have their own airplanes and pilot on staff. They’re overwhelmed by greed in every way and can quote scripture at the drop of a hat but feel no love of God or His Word.
In our individual churches, many of our pastors don’t receive a salary and spend much time preparing for their weekly services. They work for the Lord in and out of church. They’re known and respected in every facet of their lives. Of course, there are always exceptions to these rules, but I’m of the belief that the majority of it pastors are humble servants and Good examples of Christian leaders
Mary ciccia(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dale Rudiger,
All church employees including pastors need to be background checked a minimum every 2 years period!! Every professional job requires a background check!!
Tee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Mary ciccia,
Overwhelmed by greed, self importance, and entitlement – including entitlement to the bodies of women and children with no consequence. Where I have seen this it hasn’t been mega churches. Just moderate sized. No airplanes but still the narcissism and entitlement.
NoelleLynn(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Ed. note on original comment. We are called to judge. Morris molested a child. That is wrong and that is a judgement. It is Scriptural. God wants us to judge actions and that is why we have the Law to guide us. However, when we repent, truly in our hearts, there is the Gospel. What we must not judge is the salvation of another. That is in the hands of He Who is at a Higher Pay Grade than we are. If your child disobeys you and stays out late drinking, you are to judge her actions and discipline her. That is a judgement. be careful when you speak about “judge not.” Put it in context. Where was Jesus and to whom was He speaking.
We are in a rough time. God is exposing what we try to hide or have moved on from. Part of the test is remembering that Jesus said where are those who condemn you? Jesus does not condemn but offers redemption. The relationship with God is personal. While we don’t like certain sins we hear about, God still tells us to judge not and to forgive. It’s a rough time. If you believe… you follow what the Lord says.
Lover of God and in my own struggle(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The Daystar network “remains committed to the biblical standards of the word of God” unless its president wants to marry a married man.
THE BAPTIST(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Lover of God and in my own struggle,
Please read 1 Cor. 5, especially the last couple verses. I would have been so encouraged to hear if Gateway chose that passage to preach on this weekend, but I don’t think they did.
NoelleLynn(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
If he was redeemed, he would state what it really was, child rape, not an inappropriate relationship>
Ella(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kathy Noll,
UM…Robert Morris is a CRIMINAL PEDOPHILE! WWJD???? “if you hurt ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES, it would be better for you to have a mill stone hung around your neck and you be thrown in the sea to drown!” Jesus advocated the death penalty for pedophiles and the like…interesting that the Governor of Tennessee just signed into law the death penalty for anyone raping a child! You people that “claim” Christianity and then reject the VERY WORDS OF JESUS are a disgrace!
Meg(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
https://wreg.com/news/local/tennessee-governor-oks-bill-allowing-death-penalty-for-child-rape-convictions/
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
THE BAPTIST,
This part.
Shante Lowes(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Yeah Robert Morris said that in one of his many lying statements about his sexual abuse of her.
daniel lick(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
annonymous,
What makes sense is that Mr. Morris most likely distorted the facts of the situation to his wife to make himself the victim possibly stating the girl came onto him. Therefore, the apology Mrs. Morris gave to the victim, Cindy, would be more plausible in her forgiveness journey. Unless Mr. Morris states whether this is true, we will all continue to draw conclusions. The situation is horrible though no matter what was or was not said by the Morris’! In the end, judgement is between God and Mr. (Pastor) Morris.
CM(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Robin Hood?
Dee is the Empress of TWW.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Debbie,
From what I understand, in Texas and Oklahoma there is a statue of limitations. Apparently Robert can’t be prosecuted. This is wrong on so many levels. There is no statue of limitations on the victim having to live with this the rest of her life.
Lisa Smedley(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Much too much drech here to sort out! Jesus will sort it all out. Amen and I think this is all about choices… using Free Will.
Judith A Vertullo(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)