“One such example is when he said Robert Morris “was unlikely for many reasons” to become a star preacher.”

So what if Mr. Morris had some hanky panky in his past, he sure can preach!

Anyone … anyone! … can be a “star preacher” in the American church if they have a touch of charisma, a gift of gab, and a bag of gimmicks. A call of God is not necessary … no need for holy anointing on your ministry when you can pull it off in the flesh?! Toss in some great music, laser lights, fog machines, and other audio-visual entertainment and you will have 100,000 knocking down your doors!

Max:
“One such example is when he said Robert Morris “was unlikely for many reasons” to become a star preacher.”

So what if Mr. Morris had some hanky panky in his past, he sure can preach!

Anyone … anyone! … can be a “star preacher” in the American church if they have a touch of charisma, a gift of gab, and a bag of gimmicks.A call of God is not necessary … no need for holy anointing on your ministry when you can pull it off in the flesh?! Toss in some great music, laser lights, fog machines, and other audio-visual entertainment and you will have 100,000 knocking down your doors!

I stand corrected, you did mention the fog machine.

“Gateway Church is a huge business”

A shining star in the Christian Industrial Complex! It’s been managed like a corporation with an entertainment theme … incorporated to bring in a crowd to finance Morris’ blessed life.

My Mama and I are current member’s of Gateway Frisco and served with the Students up until May when we were asked to step down. Outside of church, we train and educate parents and children in our community to keep them safe from predators. In February 2023, the wife of a Frisco campus leader called us to say that her husband had just molested their granddaughter during a family visit in Indiana, and then learned he was molesting in total four granddaughters over many years!!

Long story short, we immediately reached out to Pastor Adana and was advised to notify the authorities. We reported this to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and a detective called within an hour to begin investigating the allegations. He was arrested two months later, 4/26/23, with two felony charges involving three minor girls, ages 8-12.

Leadership told Scott he could not attend church or the small groups he founded, but never told any of the families and leaders who served under him about the abuse claims. We gave Gateway six weeks to notify all those with young children who were under his leadership, but nothing was ever done. If we hadn’t shared the allegations with the families in our small group, no one at Gateway would be aware of anything.

Several other families who are in leadership positions, and are very close with Scott, claim that we made this all up, and Satan is using us to go after him because of his “anointing”. It has now been 18 months, and those same families, who have kids in Students, continued to attack us, telling the students we are bad people, not to be trusted, and not fit to be serving. Just last year that same Dad leading the attacks was made a deacon/elder at Gateway, and last month we were asked to stop serving at the church.

R’as al Ghul: You forgot the coffee shop and climbing wall.

You mean Gospel-centered coffee shop and Christ-centered climbing wall.

JJallday: What is a “star” preacher? The guy who brings in the most money? What if God called him to be a quiet country preacher for 60 people? Not good enough?

“The last will be first, and the first last” (Matthew 20:16)

Wade Burleson,

I second that..

R’as al Ghul: You forgot the fog machines and coffee shop.

“Coffee shop” as in “Just like Starbucks, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)!”?

James Robison “restored” – whatever that means – pedo RM in the 80s, RM restored the bad boy from Seattle. ARC are building a luxury lodge for “restoring” fallen preachers.

Wow! The great chain of restorations – impressive! /s

It seems “restorations” are the evangelical equivalent to apostolic succession in the RCC (which has its own problems, to be sure).

Gus: ARC are building a luxury lodge for “restoring” fallen preachers.

Gentlemen’s club. Bohemian Grove for clergy? Funded by the wage earning, tithing churchfolk?

Justin Peters spoke with a pastor who used to be on staff with Robert Morris. He fleshed out the timeline of events. He molested her for 4 1/2 years. He didn’t confess. Her dad found out and told Shady Grove Church’s elders to either do something about it or he would get the police involved. RM was then put on a 2 year “Restoration”. After 2 years he was brought BACK on staff. And ONE YEAR LATER he was made an Elder. So….. THREE YEARS after he stopped molesting a teenage girl he was made an Elder. That was the conclusion they came to. That made me angry and disgusted. But… it made me even sicker when they mentioned an associate pastor at Gateway who had been fired in 2017(?) for a sexual sin and I realized it was a former pastor of mine

Samuel Conner: Institutional mission has been subordinated to personal profit.

Which was present in the first churches as now. Nothing like the Bible to bust the Good Ole Days Myth:

Titus 1.10-11
1 Peter 5.2
1 Timothy 3.8
1 Peter 5.2-3
The entire book of Jude.

“filthy lucre”* “sordid gain”*

1. If we don’t study our Bibles for ourselves, we’re unaware of this in the Early Church to now, BECAUSE THE PASTORS DON’T PREACH ON PREACHER SORDID GAIN AND FILTHY LUCRE*, FILTHY FINGERS IN PARISHIONER POCKETS AND FINGER RAPING PARISHIONER PRETEEN DAUGHTERS AND WIVES. PREACHERS DON’T TELL ON THEMSELVES.

2. If you’re not female, you are not aware of what filthy lucre religious leaders* do and have always done to females of all ages. #MeToo and the Internet connected the She Saids, which are everywhere, turns out. Women’s voices, suppressed for 2K years, and before … from the beginning of time …, are now viral via the Internet.

Pastors today DON’T preach about PREACHER FILTHY LUCRE* but they do preach AGAINST WOMEN INTERNET BLOGGERS (who, BTW, publish the truth, under great scrutiny and with lawyers necessary to protect them).

Women’s voices on the Internet have changed credible information available to all about our filthy lucre preachers*. Everyone is now RESPONSIBLE and ACCOUNTABLE for supporting FILTHY LUCRE PREACHERS*.

Preachers may seek Hollywood film production with their million$. Turns out, one is now the star of his own viral film: FILTHY LUCRE PREACHER* FOUND OUT. Cannot unsee, unknow, undo. The viral ship has sailed into the seas of Internet history, and preacher dude is the viral megastar. Free access, however. No million$ being made so far on this livestream.

*filthy lucre sordid gain preachers are 2,000+ yr old terms found in the Bible. Not every “Christian” reads their Bible. They own one, just don’t study it.

Ava Aaronson: It was like this. For a long, long time. Not new. You just didn’t know it.

I suppose you are right, Ava. But, I’m on it now. Been too trusting of church leaders, but no more.

R’as al Ghul: You got it.Complete with the logos of Jesus instead of the Starbuck’s lady.

“Just like Fill-in-the-Blank, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)!” is NEVER a good sign.

I call them “Christian Counterfeits”, after the term “Satanic Counterfeits” they preach about.

Is anyone reading who attended a Gateway service last weekend? Maybe a midweek meeting? Because from their website and video, it appears to an outsider they had a big celebration followed by an encouraging sermon and altar call, and nothing out of the ordinary had happened involving the founder/leader. Did I miss something?

To those still trapped in man made religion, I want to recommend reading several books. You may not be Baptist, and some are decidedly baptistic, but read them anyway and use your discerner. Here goes the list:

Sunday Morning Stickup by David Lee.
Axioms of Religion by E. Y Mullins
What Baptist Believe by Hershell Hobbs, not the current versions. The Hobbs version ONLY.
Pagan Christianity by Viola and Barna
Radically New by Wade Burleson
Fraudulent Authority by Wade Burleson

Learn just how free indeed you are in Christ. And then and only then will you be able to evaluate a church, a ministry, or a mission organization.

And when the Body of Christ really understands how free they are in Christ, these bad boys will be given the left boot of fellowship, and find their paychecks missing.

Le Ellis,

The problem with deception is that you have to tell a lie to cover a lie.

Dave A A: it appears to an outsider they had a big celebration followed by an encouraging sermon and altar call

Oh, yes, while Pastor is (was?) on an extended European “sabbatical”, he lined up a tremendous slate of speakers to fill the pulpit … including Tony Evans and Albert Tate who are dealing with their own “inappropriate behavior.”

Good Lord! What a circus!!

nmgirl: How many pew peons and tithers at gateway can take the summer off work and go to Europe?

They can’t afford to! They gave their hard-earned tithes and offerings to “Pastor” so he could go! The pew ain’t got a clue.

Max,

And a pastor that likes to BS the pew peons…. The ba$$s it takes tell everyone a “young lady” is a 12 yr girl in her pajamas….and he was a “preacher” at the time…..
So what else has he BS everyone about??? Including, as is now coming out, RM, and his wife, tried the blame a 12 yr old for HIS raping her???

And then there’s Pastor Arthur that I knew, pastor of a nearby rural church of about 50 members. He truly loved those people and they loved him. After working long hours on his farm as a bi-vocational pastor, he would visit the sick, pray with folks in nursing homes, take groceries using his money to members in need, he married them and buried them. He gave up every Saturday to go house to house in the poor area surrounding the church (a 2-room building with no running water, an outhouse in the back) … he invited them to church, asked if they needed anything, prayed with them. He saw many come to faith in Christ, baptizing them in a creek down the hill from the church, in his suit and a pair of silly plastic slippers to protect his polished church-going shoes from getting soaked. He preached the simple Gospel as outlined in Scripture, he had no desire to be mega, never wrote a book, died in obscurity but known in Heaven.

Max,

Tens of thousands of supposedly charismatic pewsitters and not one with a prophetic bent got up and shouted some appropriate verses?

Max,

Absolutely! Lying only produces more reasons to lie. I also saw in the Peters interview of a pastor from Sherman, TX who worked with Robert Morris at Shady Grove, that Robert told him once that God wanted him to be famous to make God famous. What?! I think God is already famous and doesn’t need Robert’s help. The whole thing is sad and should make us all angry. I know it grieves the Holy Spirit and angers Jesus. Matthew 7 gives a warning about those who claim to prophesy and do miracles in God’s name but Jesus says one day he will say, “I never knew you.” Anyway, thanks for bringing Shakespeare into the topic. Shakespeare is still relevant! 🙂

Dave A A: Hundreds of pastors singers musicians technicians greeters baristas security guards parking attendants etc had to pretend, so that the show could go on.

“Hurry, Hurry, Hurry, Step Right Up To The Greatest Show On Earth!” shouts the carnival barker

Oh how smooth is his tongue. All honey and butter. He can preach all right. He can present himself as a redeemed and restored sinner. The devil tempted me when I was weak and tired. But Jesus restored me. Or that is the story he presented with his protector and enabler.

But the truth is he was not weak or tired. She was weak and vulnerable. She was 12 years old, asleep in her bed when you targeted her.

How much did your enabler know, the one who smiled and welcomed you on his show? Was it a case of mutually covering for each other? Is the son the same? I hope not but I fear that he is a chip off the old block.

He knew it was inappropriate and illegal behavior as an adult—why is Robert Morris not in jail. The Gateway Church should cut ties with the whole family of the Morris gang. The church is the people not the Shepard. The Shepard didn’t protect the flock and should be in jail. He should be sued by the church for all back pay and his 117 million . I know my God can heal but sometimes you have to take away what they love which is money. Have them on their back looking up then and only then you might see a repentant heart . As of now I see a criminal enterprise masquerading as a Church .Who knows how many other victims are there?

So, this is an interesting observation I noticed over the past week with the Robert Morris expose. In addition to Gateway more or less absorbing Shady Grove (the church Morris was based at when the assault of a young Cindy Clemishire took place), what’s now Gateway’s Frisco campus was originally a church planted by Blaine Bartel (Bartel; who in the 1980s and 1990s was based at Church on the Move in Tulsa, where he hosted the “Fire by Nite” videos and later led that church’s One-Eighty youth group, was secretly dealing with a pornography addiction that ultimately led to an illicit liaison, his removal as that church’s pastor and the collapse of his marriage).

Based on that, it almost seems like Morris was looking for churches that had undergone similar turbulence to convert into Gateway campuses.

Joe:
He should be sued by the church for all back pay and his 117 million .

The problem is, he owns the rights to his books except the blessed life. So a portion of his money comes from book sales

Max,

That is not a strange prayer. I’ve prayed the same for my grandkids.

Church girl,

Hi!
Church girl,

The slander/attacks continued to spread among the students and his trial at the time was scheduled for July 5th. They thought it would be best to stop serving for at least six months and would pay for four counseling sessions.

He was arrested and charged on 4/26 in Howard County, Indiana for two felony charges of child molesting under 14 years old. He was able to pay the $50,000 cash only bail and his court date moved to 10/4. He can not leave the state.

Our main concern was the children in our group who had been around Scott for 18 months. We felt that it was the parent’s right to be informed of the investigation, and they could decide how to protect their children.

Matthew 18:15-16 clearly outlines how to resolve conflict between members, and we said multiple times that we wanted to bring all involved together so it could be resolved.

Here is the link to Scott’s court case in Indiana-https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase/#/vw/CaseSummary/eyJ2Ijp7IkNhc2VUb2tlbiI6ImduZ0xFV3VPRF9USjFzRTJrZGFGZTNNQTlNbDlnTmxMZUVOY0dYOWhHVlExIn19

Max: And then there’s Pastor Arthur that I knew, pastor of a nearby rural church of about 50 members. He truly loved those people….

Beautiful story! I needed that.

If you look at recent photographs of RM, and compare with older ones, it becomes pretty obvious that he has had major cosmetic surgery in the not too distant past. Oh, and he is botoxed to the hilt!

Poor Robert, spending so much money on looking good, and now coming out of this looking really bad. “Am I the bad guy?” – “A resounding ‘YES!’”

All this good tithe money wasted for noting!

Gus: If you look at recent photographs of RM, and compare with older ones, it becomes pretty obvious that he has had major cosmetic surgery in the not too distant past. Oh, and he is botoxed to the hilt!

Ken Copeland and Got Hard are not the only ones who single-handedly keep a hair-dye factory in operation. “I’M YOUNG! AND SEX-AY! SEE? SEE? SEE?”

And we haven’t even touched on video filters like a Snapchat deepfake.

Church girl:
Will be interesting to see how many people stay at Gateway despite the scandal and cover up!!!
When will the rest of the Morris clan be removed from leadership?

I think most of them of them will head for the lifeboats, and not come back. As Max and others have said in the various threads, these megachurches are built on the leader, his charisma, and his cult of personality. When the leader topples, the church invariably implodes and either completely shuts down or becomes a tiny and hollow shell of its former self. The satellite churches either completely shut down or strike on their own far away from the crash site of the mothership.

Le Ellis: Robert told him once that God wanted him to be famous to make God famous. What?

At which point, all the rules of CELEBRITY come into play.
Cue the do-it-yourself Reality Show.

“I’M GONNA BE! I’M GONNA BE! I’M GONNA BE FAMOUS!!!”
— Cartoon Network, Total Drama Island (Reality Show parody) opening theme

Editor’s note: I am interested in learning more about this. If you want, send me an email dee@thewartburgwatch.com

Nicole Ishee:
Church girl,

Hi!
Church girl,

The slander/attacks continued to spread among the students and his trial at the time was scheduled for July 5th. They thought it would be best to stop serving for at least six months and would pay for four counseling sessions.

He was arrested and charged on 4/26 in Howard County, Indiana for two felony charges of child molesting under 14 years old. He was able to pay the $50,000 cash only bail and his court date moved to 10/4. He can not leave the state.

Our main concern was the children in our group who had been around Scott for 18 months. We felt that it was the parent’s right to be informed of the investigation, and they could decide how to protect their children.

Matthew 18:15-16 clearly outlines how to resolve conflict between members, and we said multiple times that we wanted to bring all involved together so it could be resolved.

Here is the link to Scott’s court case in Indiana-https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase/#/vw/CaseSummary/eyJ2Ijp7IkNhc2VUb2tlbiI6ImduZ0xFV3VPRF9USjFzRTJrZGFGZTNNQTlNbDlnTmxMZUVOY0dYOWhHVlExIn19

Thank you, Nicole. Are you taking action from the lack of response from Gateway Frisco?

Is there any action you desire from Gateway Frisco?

R’as al Ghul: It is the standard MO of keeping up appearances to give the illusion to the pewsitters and the public that everything is alright.

“WE DON’T NEED TO BATHE – WE HAVE PERFUME!”
— Stevie Wonder & Charlene, “Used to Be”

Check out the highlighted lyrics in the first verse; you will find them very relevant to The Morris Affair:
https://genius.com/Stevie-wonder-and-charlene-used-to-be-lyrics

Headless Unicorn Guy: Criswell Predicts…
Only the parts of Reformed Theology that are to their personal advantage and personal benefit.

i.e. Hal Lindsay Rapture Ready, Any Minute Now, It’s All Gonna Burn, Have Fun in Hell, HAW! HAW! HAW!

More Calvinist-than-Calvin Predestination plus Hal Lindsay End Time Prophecy strikes me as one of the WORST possible combinations.

Agreed. That is why these neo-Cals are so insufferable. Exhibit A of this hideous chimera is John MacArthur (he is Calvinist in his soteriology) but is a dispensationalist who holds a memorial view of the Lord’s Supper. At least if you are a Presbyterian or Dutch (aka Continental) Reformed you are consistent within your theological grid even though many people will disagree with it.

I hate that Life Outreach International claims to be a “church” and thus not subject to IRS Form 990 filing. It claims to be an “association of churches.” Where do they worship? What is their church structure? How much do James and Betty siphon off for salaries and expense reimbursements?

Max:
And another thing about always pulling out the David card to defend these bad-boys … when Nathan confronted David about his sin with Bathsheba, he warned him “What you’ve done in secret, God will expose to all of Israel” (2 Samuel 12:12).

I dare say that all of Christendom, worldwide, has been exposed to this news.To whom much is given, much is required.Multiple thousands have been impacted by this … would not have happened if the Shady Grove elders had done the right thing.

I suppose if Morris and his mind-numbed followers want to carry the David analogy further, one can always have Morris hiding, shivering, and starving in caves and on the lam as everybody in the country wants him dead. Followed by having his son James take throne of Gateway and put a bounty on dad’s head (along with taking over the $117 million Morris fortune). Of course if that happens, then I suppose the David analogy would work.

Max,

amen….

Donna: We believe the pastors and members that departed could see right through RM.

It’s harder to do when you’re on the inside, so it takes awhile to put the signs together. But viewed from the outside, Mr. Morris had all the characteristics many in the Wartburg community have experienced in other church leaders. Arrogance being at top of the list. It was just a matter of time before ‘something’ brought him down.

Max,

Max,
There are no safe places anymore, and children need to be fore-armed in terms of adult predators. I’ve been teaching such a long time (42 years), and I just saw another article in the paper about a principal being disciplined because she failed to report a staff member for child abuse (he is now in prison). Private schools have the same issues (Christian and secular). So, pray for and educate your grandchildren that if something seems “off” they need to get away and go to a trusted adult.

Gateway just sent a long, gushy, vague, polished email to all congregants.
What are your guys thoughts?

Sharmin,

What happened with James and Madyson???

Donna: Although I had unsubscribed 4 years ago, I started randomly getting them again. I think it is on the GW FB page as well. In the yahoo article, an elder said it was one the most difficult decisions he had ever made. (Accepting his resignation)This is highly disturbing that the elders didn’t fire him immediately and allowed him to resign. What is so hardabout firing someone who has committed such a crime?

To those who keep bringing up King David, you do realize he was not a Christian, right?

nmgirl: To those who keep bringing up King David, you do realize he was not a Christian, right?

Now, that’s an important point! David always comes up when these things happen. We just need to let him rest and stop dragging him into our 21st century church messes. I might just use that line in the future.

And now Mike Buster has resigned from Prestonwood. Interesting times in Dallas…

Have any of you guys been keeping count? This post is the 8th consecutive post about Robert Morris!!!
Isn’t that a record for TWW?

I just want to say thank you to all of you new commenters who have come forward to contribute what you know as far as the facts about Morris, Gateway and the satellites, and Cindy’s story.

Max,

Either those people haven’t read much more beyond a children’s Bible story book, or they have conveniently forgotten all of the problems with several of David’s children. (I suspect the first half of my sentence is probably correct.).
David suffered for what he did.
The first son of David and Bathsheba died when he was 7 days old, then there was Amnon, Tamar, Absolom, Amnon, Solomon and Adonijah ….

Nmgirl: Aren’t Christians expected to be better than other people?

“Therefore if anyone is in Christ [that is, grafted in, joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature [reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away. Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening brings a new life].” (1 Corinthians 5:17 AMP)

At least, that’s the way Christianity is supposed to work.

My husband and I have been really struggling this past week whether or not to continue at Gateway. We absolutely love our home group – they’re our local family, as we have no other family near us.
However, as we continue to observe the MASSIVE leadership failures by our church Elders, we’ve now come to the realization that unless there is a complete changeover of the Elders at GW, we cannot stay.
Specifically, our top reasons for our departure are:
1. LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY-
A. What happened in 2005 when Cindy reached out to Robert and former pastor Tom Lane responded? There is question whether Tom was informed at that time that it began when she was only 12 years old. She claims she made this clear, and why wouldn’t she, as isn’t that what makes it “child abuse” vs. an “illicit affair” between two consenting adults? It’s a critical part of the story. There would be no reason for contacting him otherwise. While I know Tom Lane is no longer at GW, the IT dept could pull email records to confirm or refute his claim of lack of knowledge at that time.
B. Robert and his attorney denying paying her mental health expenses, and requesting she sign an NDA. Where’s the repentance and accountability to his victim? An NDA? Really? The pastor of the the country’s largest church should have no need for an NDA because he should be above reproach and transparent about his past failures.
C. The system Robert Morris has constructed for this church lacks any and all transparency or accountability and these or similar problems will continue without a full administrative processes overhaul.

2. OUTRIGHT LYING BY OMISSION- The support for Robert in the initial statement released 6/14 to the press from GW that claimed an “inappropriate relationship with a young lady”, not even acknowledging it was child abuse, despite the fact that this very website (TWW) posted Cindy’s full story with those details earlier that day. They had full disclosure already and cannot claim they weren’t privy to that information.

3. LACK OF SHEPHERDING – As tithing members, we should have been communicated with directly by the Elders prior to, or at the very least, along with the press release(s) that went out. Not only did we not receive any communication from them until a full 7 days after this story broke, and after 2 separate press releases were made, but the Elders of the church even let The King’s University (affiliated school) sent out a statement to their donors and stakeholders first! Clearly their priority was keeping the funding stream coming in, rather than shepherding their congregation. This is the most insulting and aggregious display of their paltry leadership, as it has affected thousands of people.

I could go on, but those reasons are enough. The current Gateway Church Elders need to all resign if this church has any hope of surviving.

We’ll remain committed to our home group friends, but cannot be part of Gateway Church any longer.

Max: At least, that’s the way Christianity is supposed to work.

Sorry to have to say it out loud but it is a time for stoic honesty.
Christianity does not work that way, at least not in the cases at hand.
The victims and assailants in these cases walked in faith and prayed for supernatural help.
Perhaps the victims here rewarded for their faith, in the longer term.
But so were the perps.

TXbluebonnet,

Besides the primary victim there are so so many others being affected by this betrayal – this crime and all the sins surrounding it. I have been praying for you all and for your spiritual protection during this time of lament and transition. May God give direction and courage to stay loyal to truth and righteousness to all who are faced with similar decisions in the face of this disclosure (and probably many others to follow across the nation). I’ve also been praying for all of us who are being triggered by this because of their own victimization histories. God is close to the brokenhearted. Praying His blessings and guidance.

BigTex:

They use NDAs to silence anyone who could potentially damage their reputation.

Singing Hymns and Praising GOD all the way.

TXbluebonnet: My husband and I have been really struggling this past week whether or not to continue at Gateway. We absolutely love our home group – they’re our local family, as we have no other family near us.

Sounds to me like you’ve been having home church. I see no problem continuing in that fellowship with a family of other believers. You don’t need to attend or be active in Gateway right now. Unless the small group leaders are being controlled by the mothership or the discussion is too focused on Morris rather than Christ, studying God’s Word and prayer in home churches was the way Christianity started.

Max,

The home group is part of Gateway, so they ARE being controlled by it.

I used to be a member of Fellowship and know how that system works.

Unless the entire group – or a large part of them – decides to leave Gateway, it will be used to keep her in line – or punish her if she continues to “speak against leadership”.

TXbluebonnet,

I would be EXTREMELY careful about how you act and what you say around the group.

These groups (like Max mentioned above) are tightly controlled by leadership. What he says they do; they did it to me personally.

At best, I advise you take the advice of Mike Rutherford (Mike + The Mechanics) from his song “Silent Running”: “pledge allegiance to the flag, whatever flag they offer, never show them how you really feel”. At worst, you probably will have to cut ties with the group (and if they find out you posted on TWW, they will cut ties with you first).

Mark R: It took me a while to learn this, but that’s exactly what happened to me.

In far too many elder-ruled churches, small group leaders are elders-in-training … it is an opportunity for them to prove themselves to be loyal to Pastor and the Board of Elders … the small group experience conditions them to be yes-men when they are tapped to join the Inner Ring.

Max: Sounds like the “Lifegroup” system used by the New Calvinists. Members are encouraged to participate in small groups with leaders loyal to pastor/elders. They are essentially spies to keep an eye out for dissenters.

Party Cells with an NKVD/KGB Informer as the Party Commissar/Cell Leader.

Nmgirl:
Muff Potter,

Aren’t Christians expected to be better than other people?

They’re always telling you they are. In exquisite detail.

Max: I once heard someone ask “Was Jesus a Christian?” after hearing in Sunday School that he was a Jew.

It’s hard to fathom that there people that lacking in the mental arena.

I’m very concerned about the safety of his granddaughters. I saw a photo of him holding his 12 year old granddaughter on his lap. Since he is attracted to little girls and he has several little granddaughters. I experienced this in my family with a powerful church going wealthy grandfather who saw nothing wrong because he gave a lot of money to church and orphan homes. His wife knew but didn’t want to give up her wealthy lifestyle. Nothing was done because of money. This was in Tulsa, Ok. My experience makes me VERY worried about his little granddaughters.

The Notes application also reveals that between 2010 and 2014 he spent a total of 256 days in one of these apartments and sought rent reimbursement from RZIM for those stays.

Never mind One Night in Bangkok, that’s 255 Nights in Bangkok, THE Number-One Sex Tourism destination on Earth!

(And the Thai can’t be happy about that reputation…)

Muff Potter: nmgirl: To those who keep bringing up King David, you do realize he was not a Christian, right?

What does that have to do with the price of coffee beans in Costa Rica?

Because “Who’s In and Who’s Out?” goes so deep in Christianese Culture, it may as well be coded in its DNA.

Edna Awutey. The Divine Apostolic ChuR: God bless you Pastor for Revealing a lot to us about sexual immorality in the world and the the church of God and how to overcome it.

Too bad that those who preach truth don’t live it themselves.