Unbelievable Update: Leanne Kay’s Molester, Uncle Raggy, Appears to Tell the Clarion Ledger That Leanne Molested Him When She Was 10 Years Old

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/pia15416.html
Andromeda: The Galaxy Next Door.- NASA

“Mercy detached from justice grows unmerciful. ” -C. S. Lewis


For those of you who haven’t heard the remarkable phone conversation of Leanne confronting her abuser and posted at TWW, now is the time to listen. Decades Later, Leanne Kay Confronted Her Abuser and Recorded the Remarkable Conversation.

Ragsdale’s suicide attempt

There has been much that has transpired since that post. Shortly after this post went live, Dural Ragsdale, better known in the online world as Uncle Raggy, allegedly attempted suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning. He was transferred to a major medical center and placed in intensive care. Approximately a week later, he was discharged. According to some reports, he went to a rehabilitation center for a short stay and then returned home.

Leanne, Mark Belenchia (A SNAP volunteer who has been supportive of Leanne for the past couple of years) and I made the decision to wait out the situation before posting about the situation.

He survived and is apparently talking publicly…

His Uncle Raggy You Tube Channel was deleted.

Please refer to our original post. As you will see, the videos are no longer active. Some of us, including some perceptive readers of this blog, believed that there was something up with the You Tube channel which presented itself as a place for Uncle Raggy to show off his considerable ukulele talent. He ostensibly helped others to develop their skills. However, there was something *dark* about a number of videos.

However, nothing is lost, if you get my  drift….

The Clarion Ledger: Raggy claims Leanne molested him

Sarah Fowler of the Clarion Ledger posted She was 10. The man she says abused her was no stranger. He was like family. This article was on the front page of their printed edition.

The Clarions Ledger refused to use his name because he had not yet been convicted.  However, I feel differently since he has willingly discussed the matter and Leanne has identified him by name.

At first, he denied anything happened.

The Clarion Ledger also reached out to the man Kay said abused her. He has not been charged with any crime relating to the accusations and is not being named in this story.

Now 71, he denies the allegations but acknowledges something happened “one time,” though he describes that one time as both an accident and the actions of a “curious” child.

In talking with the Clarion Ledger, parts of his story kept changing. Some details he provided from that time matched Kay’s, nearly word for word.

“I can’t prove I didn’t, but I didn’t,” he said. “There’s no Bill Clinton dress that I did but, god, what a horrible thing to have to say or reference.”

Then, he threw a grenade, claiming that Leanne actually did it to him because she was a *curious* child.

the man said, “it only happened once,” before offering an initial description of the events.

“I woke up with the feeling of warm breath in my very private area because that will wake you up and, when I woke up, I realized that she had her head down there and there did not appear to be anything happening but I could feel the breath,” he said.

“So I reached down and got both of her shoulders and I lifted her to eye level and I said, ‘LeAnne, you know, that can’t be done. You can’t do that, we can’t do that but when you get a little older, like 17, 18, whatever, you’re going to start dating and you’ll find a guy —you guys might do that and you’ll have a lot of fun with it and enjoy it but that’s not something we can do.”

He first said it may have happened on “accident.” Then, he said, it may have happened because the child was “curious.”

While he initially denied intimate physical contact, as he talked, he said it was possible his penis was in the child’s mouth that night.

“It’s a possibility that it may have touched her mouth, I can’t deny that,” he said. The child also may have touched his penis, he said, but he does not remember.

“It could have happened, that’s the thing,” he said. “I’m not saying she’s lying…I’m not calling her a liar

Here is Leanne’s version of the events in the Ledger. Remember. she was 10 years old.

When he came out, he sat on the edge of the couch with Kay. He put her head in his lap.

That’s when the fondling started.

“He did that for a few nights just to get a routine and, I guess, feel out the environment,” Kay said.

Then one night, while he was taking a bath, Kay fell asleep on the hallway couch.

She said she awoke to his penis in her mouth.

“I just froze and pretended like I was asleep,” she said. “There was no other choice.”

She said she was forced to perform oral sex on him night after night, always on the hallway couch after his bath.

He mentioned his suicide attempt to the reporter, curiously saying Leanne would get her payback if he had died.

In March, she shared her account with a blog, naming him, and the news quickly spread in Iuka via social media.

In the wake of the recent public accusations, he said, he attempted to take his own life.

“Hey, if I was dead, then, hey, she’s got the payment,” he said.

is anything being happening on the law enforcement front?

There have been hopeful developments. We will keep TWW readers in the loop.

I want to thank a reader who has been doing some great research into this matter and has sent me some helpful emails that have been forwarded on to Leanne. You are awesome!!! I cannot thank our readers enough for being willing to help me find information about some of the stories I cover. I always send them on with your identifiers deleted (unless you want me to use your names.)

 


Comments

Unbelievable Update: Leanne Kay’s Molester, Uncle Raggy, Appears to Tell the Clarion Ledger That Leanne Molested Him When She Was 10 Years Old — 65 Comments

  1. So, following this logic on display after his reported hospital stay, is he now going to claim that what he said in a video — so good to know that nothing is lost — about violence he says he perpetrated against a teenager (in front of witnesses) in his office for counseling was misconstrued? Did the teen grab his own head and slam it into the desk?

    This was from a video entitled: “Teenage Death and Suicide. Uncle Raggy”

    Just past the 13 minute mark, he shares about the act of suicide that “I have reached that point more than once in my life where I thought ‘yeah, I’ll do that.’ (Shakes head no) Mm-mm. I’m too chicken. Too coward.”

    From the 15 minute mark on, he talks of the effect that dishonesty can have on a young person. Despite what the phone call reveals, listen to the advice (he notes his counseling background) roll forth. At the 18 minute mark, he says the old people don’t have some of the struggles with honesty that the young do: “We’ve learned how to lie. We’ve learned how to deceive.”

    At 21:45, speaking of the teenagers: “And they don’t always have somebody like Uncle Raggy, who will say ‘Come on over to my office, and let’s by God talk.’ And to really talk to them. And I do. When I get a chance, and I talk to teenagers – I’ll be honest with you, it’s not easy talking to me sometimes. When a teenager gets down there and starts crying, and whining, and pleading their case because they’re so victimized, and so misunderstood, and so hurting. (Makes sniffling noise and whiny voice:) ‘I didn’t ask to be born.’ BS!” (As he says in another video, he didn’t just use the initials. And then, there’s this:)

    “I have reached across the desk at least once in front of a mother and a dad, and grabbed that teenager behind the head by the hair, and slammed his forehead down on my desk once – BAM! (makes slamming motion with left arm) – and that got his attention. And I said, ‘You didn’t only ask to be born, you sucker. You beat out four billion other potential life forms who raced down that canal. When they started racing towards that egg, sucker, you were the sperm that won the race. You got there. You went in, because you wanted to live. Now don’t give me that crying jackdockle about ‘I didn’t ask to be born.’ You demanded it, and you murdered four billion potential other human beings. Now let’s start there.’”

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  2. If that doesn’t take the cake. This guy is sly. BTW, does he assert that the tried to kill himself because a young girl molested him? And why take down all of the Youtube videos, the Youtube he so often said was the best thing in his life? I’m afraid I would not trust anything the man says.

    JDV: “We’ve learned how to lie. We’ve learned how to deceive.”

    Pretty much says it all.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  3. Re:
    “You can’t do that, we can’t do that but when you get a little older, like 17, 18, whatever, you’re going to start dating and you’ll find a guy —you guys might do that and you’ll have a lot of fun with it and enjoy it but that’s not something we can do.””

    Putting aside all that is so obviously wrong with this, I just wanted to add that it’s a male fantasy that most to all women enjoy this act and want to perform it on men.

    It makes most women want to gag. Most women do not want to do this.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  4. In the wake of the recent public accusations, he said, he attempted to take his own life.

    “Hey, if I was dead, then, hey, she’s got the payment,” he said.

    “Might be a plane crash, or some sort of OD
    Hey there’s going to be a photograph with my obituary
    You’re gonna see it and you’ll cry
    You’re gonna wanna wear black
    Hey I’ll be dead but you can bet your life,
    I’M GONNA GET YOU BACK!

    “Ha ha ha ha!
    (Ha ha ha ha!)
    Ho ho ho ho!
    (Ho ho ho ho!)
    Chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle!
    (Chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle!)
    Snigger snigger snigger snigger!
    (Snigger snigger snigger snigger!)
    Guffaw Guffaw Guffaw Guffaw Guffaw Guffaw!
    Yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk!”
    — Loudon Wainwright III (by way of Dr Demento), “Unrequited to the Nth Degree”

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  5. Daisy: Putting aside all that is so obviously wrong with this, I just wanted to add that it’s a male fantasy that most to all women enjoy this act and want to perform it on men.

    We talking “Driscoll Sex”?
    Ray Comfort and his banana?

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  6. Well, if anyone had any doubts that Ragsdale was a molester, this should remove all doubt.

    He is a very troubled man and pathetic but he has done great harm and now proves to be willing to continue to do harm.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  7. Daisy: Putting aside all that is so obviously wrong with this, I just wanted to add that it’s a male fantasy that most to all women enjoy this act and want to perform it on men.

    It’s definitely a male fantasy that any 10 year old girl would want to hear any part of that!

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  8. Justaguy,

    My own experience & understanding is that many women do happily & willingly enjoy oral sex, but in the Christian world there has always been an undercurrent that it is ‘of the flesh’, i.e. can’t result in pregnancy, so is just about lust, & therefore disgusting & wrong. Conversely it can easily be promoted as ‘everyone does it so you must’, with all sorts of porn laden pressures. I’m big on consenting adults deciding between them what they enjoy together.

    This disgusting old man pretending he spoke to a 10 yr old girl about this just makes me want to hurl, but I wouldn’t want to hear his inner thoughts on any sexual act whatsoever.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  9. SiteSeer,

    “It’s definitely a male fantasy that any 10 year old girl would want to hear any part of that”

    That’s not a male fantasy. That’s a sick, twisted, insane pedophiles fantasy. But I’d say not a fantasy. Just an unbelievably pathetic excuse”

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  10. elastigirl:
    “claiming that Leanne actually did it to him because she was a *curious* child.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    no 10 year-old girl is that curious.

    I think he was hinting that he is so desirable that even 10 year olds want him. He’s a dangerous narcissist.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  11. SiteSeer: Well, if anyone had any doubts that Ragsdale was a molester, this should remove all doubt.
    He is a very troubled man and pathetic but he has done great harm and now proves to be willing to continue to do harm.

    I bet this wasn’t his only rodeo.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  12. Dural Ragsdale not mature or man enough to have a real relationship w/ a woman his own age so preys on a child. As other noted; very high probability of a serial pedophile preying on boys too. Any other victims out there, please come forward and contact Sarah Fowler of the Clarion Ledger. (sfowler@gannett.com) Don’t let him blame the victim and get away with this.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  13. First, I am so sorry that Leanne went through this. My heart goes out to you.

    Second, this man, by saying these things, has just offended all over again. It was a terribly viscous act which has been repeated once again by statements blaming the victim. There is no law in this world strong enough or punishment severe enough for what he deserves.

    Third, I don’t know if the media in this case is complicit but by publishing his account they are giving him a voice he does not deserve. He should not be the one to spin the narrative to his liking. How utterly sick, twisted, and evil this man demonstrates that he is.

    Finally, I truly hope that Leanne gets the justice she deserves.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  14. Today’s post by Julie Roy’s is an important puzzle piece now in place regarding HBC.

    The Evangelical Christian Credit Union would have a motive to see the congregants continue (circa 2013) to contribute. It would be detrimental to their loan portfolio should donors believe HBC had administrative issues. This would not be illegal in itself.

    Roy’s post raises issues about any underling HBC financial disclosures used in originating loans. Legally, this may be an issue if any loans where obtained using inaccurate information.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  15. SiteSeer: It’s definitely a male fantasy that any 10 year old girl would want to hear any part of that!

    That’s actually proof of some very disturbing lack of boundaries to have a grown man talking about this with a 10 year old. Ugh. This is what he said in his defense!!!

    *I’m not getting into whether women like this act or not*

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  16. Beakerj: there has always been an undercurrent that it is ‘of the flesh’, i.e. can’t result in pregnancy, so is just about lust, & therefore disgusting & wrong. Conversely it can easily be promoted as ‘everyone does it so you must’, with all sorts of porn laden pressures.

    This is definitely in the ‘women get confusing messages about sex/Madonna/whore dichotomy’ category. Do it and you’re a slut, don’t and you’re a prude. Takes a while to sort it out and realize you can do whatever you wish.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  17. Nathan Priddis,

    There have been comments suggesting embezzlement has taken place.
    I pushed back on those comments because the expenses allegedly where authorized. Barring new information, this still seems to have no connection whatsoever to embezzlement.

    However, the loan process may start getting interesting in light of HBC’s dropped lawsuit against their lender.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  18. dee,

    That’s because you guys are bang on. It is absolutely an act of emotional blackmail, rather than repentance or despair. You see this ALL the time when manipulators & abusers of all kinds get caught & try & wriggle out of the consequences. They have no real actual intent to hurt themselves, only others.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  19. Noevangelical: Third, I don’t know if the media in this case is complicit but by publishing his account they are giving him a voice he does not deserve. He should not be the one to spin the narrative to his liking. How utterly sick, twisted, and evil this man demonstrates that he is.

    Agreed. Did the article note the recorded conversation, in which he admitted to and apologized for the abuse? Although he tried to insist it only happened once, whereas Leanne insisted it was an ongoing situation, he definitely acknowledged his sin, and insisted that it never happened again with any other child.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  20. TS00,

    The newspaper article is a good thing. It brings his actions literally into the light of day.

    Enough people will not buy into his spin. He will be identified within his community ànd shunned, maybe even harassed. I’ve watched this happen to someone else. It will happen before he ever sees a court date.

    Molestation victims, other than his, who read the article might become angry. And if it’s around someone they know they might be questioned why they are angry. Even if they just reveal a tiny part of their abuse to someone, it starts becoming easier the next time. It’s the start of their recovery.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  21. Brian: Brian,
    His suicide attempt was a manipulative ploy. I’ve read that those truly planning to kill themselves succeed.

    For half a year after my mother died in 1975, my Sweet Little Angel of a brother had the rest of the family (Dad & me) waiting on him hand and foot by guilt manipulation, threatening suicide “to join Mom and IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT BECAUSE YOU DROVE ME TO IT!” For those months, the family unit was run entirely for his convenience.

    I lost count of the times I came home from school afraid to look in the garage and find his body hanging there AND IT’S ALL MY FAULT BECAUSE I WASN’T UNDERSTANDING.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  22. Justaguy:
    Daisy,

    Most? What do you base that on?
    It’s irrelevant but since you brought it up.

    She bases it on reality. What on earth does a woman get out of it — except a really strong gag reflex.

    Not to get too TMI here, but….

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  23. elastigirl:
    “claiming that Leanne actually did it to him because she was a *curious* child.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    no 10 year-old girl is that curious.

    Amen!! Reminds me of what my mom’s aunt told my mom’s mother WRT my mom’s molestation: “Mary [my mom] must have led the guy on.”

    Good grief. My mom was *FIVE* freaking years old.

    I attributed that benighted response to 1930s Southie ignorance. I am gobsmacked to see people invoking the same insane, clueless arguments in 2019.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  24. TS00: whereas Leanne insisted it was an ongoing situation, he definitely acknowledged his sin, and insisted that it never happened again with any other child.

    Which can be believed just as much as any of his other statements… meaning, not at all.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  25. TS00,

    Um…My point was that giving him an opportunity to spin this was wrong. Spin is not fact. But I may just be too old and have unrealistic expectations of the media. What difference does it make that he has a slightly different story?

    Imo, the non-apology-apology has nothing to do with anything.

    It happened, he admitted it, now it’s time to prosecute or use what ever legal means are necessary to obtain justice in the secular courts. It seems to me the story should be asking and answering that question, but it just briefly mentioned her struggles with getting him prosecuted. I would have liked to know more about that.

    I have no sympathy for this man. And I know that he will be judged when he dies. But he should also be prosecuted and judged by the God ordained authorities in the here and now.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  26. Noevangelical:
    TS00,

    Um…My point was that giving him an opportunity to spin this was wrong. Spin is not fact. But I may just be too old and have unrealistic expectations of the media. What difference does it make that he has a slightly different story?

    Imo, the non-apology-apology has nothing to do with anything.

    It happened, he admitted it, now it’s time to prosecute or use what ever legal means are necessary to obtain justice in the secular courts. It seems to me the story should be asking and answering that question, but it just briefly mentioned her struggles with getting him prosecuted. I would have liked to know more about that.

    I have no sympathy for this man. And I know that he will be judged when he dies. But he should also be prosecuted and judged by the God ordained authorities in the here and now.

    Noevangelical,

    Agreed. Particularly since his continuing denial and deceit suggest the worrying prospect of other victims.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  27. Noevangelical: What difference does it make that he has a slightly different story?

    I share your concerns about the newspaper giving this man an anonymous and therefore unaccountable forum. The original article gives much more credence to Leanne, and the man’s response would strike most readers as self-serving if not outright sick.

    His version not a slightly different story. It’s more like a bank robber claiming that the teller forced sacks of money into his hands at gunpoint.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  28. This is so disgusting, how an adult can twist the story to put the blame on a 10 year old girl. Reminds me of how my ex once accused me of dressing my 8 year old in a way to make men look at her. The only one staring at her in an inappropriate way was him! And her manner of dressing is very modest. So sick how these men written about on this blog (and so many others who are not big names) blame their twisted thinking and horrible treatment of children on the children themselves. I pray there are no other victims, but like many, believe that is unlikely, and hope they have the courage to come forward. And add my name to the list of women who would gag.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  29. Maple Lady,
    The more that comes out, the sleazier it gets.

    Though I suspect Unca Raggy is genetically incapable of keeping a low profile when it’s the best course. He has to get in the media as much as possible — “Any publicity is still publicity” + “I’m Gonna be FAMOUS!” (During my decades in and around Furry Fandom, I’ve seen this exact same dynamic in action. Usually with the REAL sexual fringe fetish types as well as the drooling fanboy types. Must come with the pathology.)

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  30. Friend: His version not a slightly different story. It’s more like a bank robber claiming that the teller forced sacks of money into his hands at gunpoint.

    That anything like that guy (Chantry?) claiming the kid ran full-tilt into his innocent fist?
    (Except with Unca Raggy, it wasn’t his fist…)

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  31. Muff Potter:
    If uncle Raggy don’t peg out yer’ creepo-meter, nuthin’ will.

    Even his handle “Unca Raggy” sounds like a sleazy porn parody.

    Soul brother to the main character of Ogden Edsel’s novelty song, “Kink-o, Kink-o, the Kid-loving Clown”.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  32. The Clarion article is such a classic example of media spin. Just as with the JonBenet Ramsey case they constantly present the story as unsolvable. There are so many theories presented and the hard facts are downplayed. It is like stirring the waters in a clear lake to constantly keep people in the dark “oh, a minister wouldn’t do that!” or, A wealthy man wouldn’t molest his own daughter and then brutally murder her to save his own hide.” We are presented so much spin that we can’t see our way to the truth

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  33. Noevangelical,

    Again,they were correct in allowing him to give his spun view of his actions. Molesters keep their actions hidden. They terrorize their victims into silence.

    My stepfather told me if I said anything about him molesting me, that my Mom would go to jail with him and I would end up in a foster home. Then he used the excuse of me being able to teach my girlfriend in the future, on top of the threat, to force me to do a “Bill Clinton” on him and visa versa.

    I would have been doing cartwheels if he confessed publicly, even if it was a spun story. That would’ve been a large pressure off me that I carried for years.

    The “cat’s out of the bag.” His victims can come forth without feeling the shame he placed on them.

    Like I said in my previous post, their healing can begin. They can come forth. They can be told that he was at fault not them. Molested children will not come forth if they even think no one will believe them. And, the same goes for the adult survivors.

    The article was the right thing to do!

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  34. Guest: Everything I have ever read about rapist and pedophiles they either say it did not happen or the victim wanted it.

    http://thewartburgwatch.com/2019/03/15/decades-later-leanne-kay-confronted-her-abuser-and-recorded-the-remarkable-conversation/

    Looking at the original post, and the research posted in the comments by JDV, this gentleman has serious issues (pervert), while he manipulates/grooms individuals, families, and churches.

    What kind of “church” is the playground for a pervert?

    The perpetrator was seeking empathy (getting women, like the mother, to feel sorry for him) and later complains about his marriage. Note: Hybels and this guy appear to be in two different categories/social strata, but there is similar methodology.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  35. jyjames,

    Regardless of the environment, the methodology of molesters is the same. Look at the Boy Scouts. The adult leaders were trusted by the parents. They were even possibly trusted members of their community/town. Uncle Raggy was a pastor. Again a very trusted position. As Scout Leader or Pastor, they both had direct access to kids.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  36. Brian:
    jyjames,

    Abusers, regardless of the type of abuse they inflict, can change their emotions “on a dime”. They are always trying to control their environment, switching to any emotion that will control it.

    I have seen them turn the emotional display (Sincere Remorse in that example) on and off like a light switch.
    CLICK ON! CLICK OFF! CLICK ON! CLICK OFF!

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  37. jyjames: Looking at the original post, and the research posted in the comments by JDV, this gentleman has serious issues (pervert), while he manipulates/grooms individuals, families, and churches.

    What kind of “church” is the playground for a pervert?

    From this and other blogs, a LOT of them.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

  38. Noevangelical: And I know that he will be judged when he dies. But he should also be prosecuted and judged by the God ordained authorities in the here and now.

    Because he must be seen in public to NOT get away with it.

    Otherwise, “I know that he will be judged when he dies” (and similar Christianese) is just sitting quietly with folded hands doing nothing but mouthing pious platitudes.

      (Quote selected text)  (Reply)

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *