Well, he's back and sooner than predicted. Special thanks to Nate Sparks for noticing this.
He spoke at Spring Hills Community Church which apparently believes that a serial adulterer, recently divorced and remarried to a twice divorced Texan cutie with him he reportedly had an affair, is the perfect guy to help their parishioners become spiritually mature.
Here is the link to download the sermon which starts off with him telling us how he skipped school for a month while a junior in high school. He continues to skip accountability as an adult as well.
Question: What does this say about the depths of doctrine and the leadership at Spring Hills Community Church?
Hey Dee, not related to the post, but I’ve been praying for peace for you and your family. 🙂
On the topic of the post (cause I got to be relevant) they just want some famous guy. The longer I read here, the more I’m thankful for my little church full of kind people.
Silver!
His speech was posted on the 31st? Sounds like the audience got the “trick” and not the “treat”.
I wonder how many people who heard him speak had any idea of what’s happened?
I’ve been sitting on a pile of info for a while. It’s time to let it out. Tullian is a sham. His behavior is obnoxious. Every time he gets in the public spotlight while continuing to cover up, it’s like a slap in the face to his victims and family. They are not amused.
@ Julie Anne:
Tullian and Doug Phillips are two of a kind.
Sad. Goes to show star-power is really the only “qualification” for leadership recognized by some so called evangelicals.
Divorce Minister wrote:
The Importance of Being Famous : Behind the Scenes of the Celebrity-Industial Complex by Maureen Orth: “…the world of fame-bridging entertainment, politics, and news, … those who understand the chemistry, the very DNA, of fame and how to create it, manipulate it, sustain it.”
Now someone needs to write about the Celebrity Christian Industrial Complex about the church folk who understand the chemistry, the very DNA, of fame and how to create it, manipulate it, sustain it. The Graham grandson apparently really gets it.
Sad news, but completely predictable.
“He spoke at Spring Hills Community Church which apparently believes that a serial adulterer, recently divorced and remarried to a twice divorced Texan cutie with him he reportedly had an affair, is the perfect guy to help their parishioners become spiritually mature.”
I guess Pastor Avlakeotes thought TT would be a good lead-in to a “Strengthening Your Marriage Event” at Spring Hills this week (Friday, Nov. 18). The church in America is such a mess.
JYJames wrote:
FWIW, I wrote two articles that can be used as tutorials on how to identify an “industrial complex.” Here’s the outline and link for the first one. These are pages 10 and 11A in a case study I wrote a few years back.
10 Institutional: Christian Industrial Complex
* Introducing the Concept of an “Industrial Complex”
* How a Very Creative Counterculture Can Eventually Become a Consumerist Culture
* Strategies and Structures that Increasingly Lock People into Institutionalized Systems
* Various Elements and Entities in a “Christian Industrial Complex”
https://diagnosingemergent.wordpress.com/10-institutional-emergent-industrial-complex/
JYJames wrote:
11A Framework for Detailing of the Emergent Complex [Steps #1, 2, 3]
* Before We Detail the “Emergent Industrial Complex” …
* The Appeal of an Industrial Complex
* Introducing the Identification Process and Core Issues
* Step #1. Overviewing the Elements
* Step #2. My Process for Detecting the Pieces
* Step #3. Your Turn: Identifying and Interpreting the Pieces and the Bigger Picture
https://diagnosingemergent.wordpress.com/11-social-media-2015-exposure-of-the-emergent-complex/
Julie Anne wrote:
Go for it, JA! Let ‘im know you mean business.
Is Tullian the type of manly leader that his wife is commanded to submit? Is he the Biblical husband who is to love, cherish and protect his wife? As the wife is weaker and easier deceive, isn’t he in charge of protecting her from all the evil men who may flatter and mislead her into sinful acts?
Wait a minute!! Tullian’s example must reflect the modern Biblical fruit of the spirit: 1) cheat on your wife. 2) If she cheats on you, you get a freebee or a twofer. 3) set up nouthetic counseling for any confused children. 4) whenever you (the pastor) feels guilty, you need to consistently meditate on scripture about the curse of an unsubmitting wife and her inability to repent! 5) her disobedience and lack of submission is a sin and the wages of sin is death. 6) if she refuses, God will not be mocked and said wife will die, facing eternal condemnation. 7) Her children will spit on her grave. Such a sad scene.
But do not lose hope. God will reward this Godly man with a new, younger, pretty and more virile wife. Praise God! His children will be wooed by her charms and themselves will be led to their own God ordained spouse!!
I think I have figured it out!!
@ Julie Anne:
May it be soon.
Y’all Tullian uses the same stories over and over and over. Yawn. What a joke. I am really trying to figure out how he is repentant when he is preaching again? This is so embarrassing.
Max wrote:
They need to do a Ten Commandments event, and focus on the thou shalt nots……… Do ya think TT could do a sermon on adultery and coveting thy neighbor’s wife?
Another reason the American evangelical church may not survive the next generation.
Ann wrote:
With BIGGER BOOBS!
This November 18th Spring Hills has a “Strengthening Your Marriage” event, will they be inviting Tullian back as a speaker?
Speaking of Doug Phillips
https://youtu.be/VpqkVr_p3Gw
sorry:)
dee wrote:
I hope so, too. After pastor Tchananagans was fired by Twitter, I’ve been a hankering for some slanderous ungospelly gossip to be spewed forth by those jezebels who tempted TT to make mistakes, and maybe even that two-timing daughter of Stan who cheated while he was away on important business!
Seriously, I imagine nothing TT’s victims say will make any difference to his fans. Because he’s BIG. Bigger than (grand)Daddy Bill! He’s more popular than John Lennon now! Us wee little tax collector types have to climb a sycamore tree just to catch a glimpse!
On Nov 2, after Facebook silence since Christmas, TT updated his profile picture. Just updated the #%€£¥ picture! It’s had 800 likes so far. The “top” comment shares, “My whole family misses you & your sermons; we bought all your books & then you were “gone.” We hope you’re BACK, and will speak again! God Love You, and grant you & your family PEACE.”
And there are dozens like it, and hundreds more since he got resigned and defrocked.
His followers remind me of the Narnians in The Last Battle, when the Ape announced Tashlan was too mad at them to come out of the stable, where, instead, a hungry Tash awaited.
“Aslan! Aslan! Aslan!” cried the Beasts. “Speak to us. Comfort us. Be angry with us no more.”
……
“Anyone can see Tashlan. (Said the Ape) But he’s not coming out. You have to go in and see him.”
“Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you,” said dozens of voices. “That’s what we wanted! We can go in and see him face to face. And now he’ll be kind and it will all be as it used to be.” And the Birds chattered, and the Dogs barked excitedly. Then suddenly, there was a great stirring and a noise of creatures rising to their feet, and in a second the whole lot of them would have been rushing forward and trying to crowd into the stable door all together. But the Ape shouted:
“Get back! Quiet! Not so fast.”
I believe Tullian has a misguided view of manhood due to the false Scriptural interpretations being espoused, taught, and lived out today in most of Christianity. For all of those who claim the office of pastor, lambasting their congregations with the word accountable, it boggles my mind to no end, how the laity is so be accountable, and yet leadership always allows itself a free pass.
And I personally am so sick and tired of those wicked and evil pastors that spew out their jezebel sermons anytime a woman questions the leadership’s lack of “practicing what they preach” double standards.
Tullian’s life story is precisely why many choose to be accountable to Jesus Christ, rather than any other man or woman.
@ brian:
I know where you read at! 😉 The (mostly) women there keep a pretty sharp eye on Doug Phillips.
This sermon (“sermon”?) is troubling on manly levels. I want to point out one simply fantastic irony, though. The sermon is all about ‘grace’ (as defined by the speaker) and how disorienting imitating Jesus can be, and so on. Yet Paul’s point in the passage is (drum roll) … imitate Jesus! Jesus’ substitutionary death is certainly there, but it’s there in a context.
One need only read the paragraph that precedes the speaker’s text and the one that follows. The three paragraphs are all about the same thing. Thus:
So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, 2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. 3 Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. 4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
Then vv. 5-6, which roughly translated comes out to: “Think this among yourselves which is also in Christ Jesus who, though he was in the form of God, did not count this as a privilege to exploit for his own advantage.”
Then the outworking of 2:1-11:
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. 14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing, 15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain. (2:12-16)
In other words, Paul’s point in this passage–while it may not be the exact opposite of the speaker’s point–is mostly contrary to the speaker’s point. The speaker preached a crowd-pleaser to be sure, but it had very, very little to do with Paul, whose words he used to preach.
You know, even before all of his current troubles I always thought that Tchvijian gave off an air of self-absorption. Nonetheless, I thought maybe I was being too harsh. I actually defended him when he was accused of “antinominianism” for his laser-focus on grace, but it now appears that the accusations were true, at least when related to Tullian’s opinion of his own conduct. The idea that any pastor would consider him qualified to be teaching is an embarrassment- he needs to be in serious counseling, not behind a pulpit.
His latest tweet: “How could you rise anew if you have not first become ashes?” Friedrich Nietzsche
Surprising source!
Has anyone else noticed Pete Wilson’s twitter hasn’t posted any new tweets since October?
Unepetiteanana wrote:
But of course! Ees certainly coincidence, comrades– having nothing whatsoever to do with the TWW rumors!
Edward wrote:
It sounded to me like he was on the more Christian, less legalistic side when he split with the gospelly coalition, but I found it all a bit confusing and “off”. Now we know the background story of extracurricular activities. It will be interesting to compare timelines once Julie Anne publishes victims’ stories.
Geoff S. wrote:
So long as he preaches crowd-pleasers, any dissimilarity with the Bible may be deemed irrelevant, just like whoever he’s been sleeping with. He’s moved on and up now into the coveted position of “expastor”, with no pesky congregations, boards, or presbyteries to answer to.
Max wrote:
Maybe people are only supposed to endure marriage for a season.
Headless Unicorn Guy wrote:
Bigger than Tullian himself? Hard to feature.
At the risk of beating a deceased equine and hogging this very short comment section… The Facebook site TT can still be my pastor has asked “So, with TT apparently posting online, what does everyone think about that?”
I find the word “apparently” rather odd, since it’s obviously not pastor Tchananagans and AFAIK the “still be my pastor” hostess is the new improved Mrs TT… But the preliminary results are 1 Nope 1 Yes 1 hells yeah 1 smileys
And 1 rant against stone throwers.
I actually tried to have a discussion with a family member of mine about this very thing last week. I told her all about TT, and other pastors like him. She kept telling me that God forgave him just like he does you and me. He is entitled to go back and preach anytime. I don’t think she would have said this 30 some odd years ago. I kept myself from gagging and then wanting to laugh as she told me her thoughts. I finally decided I had enough and got off the phone. I now know better than to discuss things like this with her again.
Harley wrote:
Just a matter of people becoming witless with hyper grace. It’s terrible theology, just as terrible as works-based salvation. I don’t know if people reveal their true selves after the decades go by and no longer feel the pressure to conform to the truths of a Lord Whom they never really believed in or if people of true faith sometimes get addled and odd in time if they run too long after teachers to get the truth, rather than running to Jesus. No telling.
Harley wrote:
Would she say the same thing if her husband was bedding other women like brood mares?
Sigh… Pictures are worth a thousand words. Stacie Tchividjian’s FB page is telling.
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Nancy2 wrote:
A “pastor” who commits adultery essentially breaks 6 of the big 10: (1) he takes the name of the Lord in vain; the office of pastor is an awesome responsibility – to take it lightly by committing such sin is to carry the name of the Lord in vain; (2) he has killed; relationships and ministries die; (3) he has committed adultery; culture may attempt to redefine that sin, but the Bible does not; (4) he has stolen that which is not his and in the process forfeited that which was; (5) he lies; denying and covering adulterous affairs are deceiving practices; (6) he has coveted his neighbor’s wife; in most of these situations, the “pastor” targets the wife of a church member.
With such commandments looming over one who calls himself pastor, it would be best to keep your pants on. Pastor, to overcome this temptation, dig in and withstand the beginnings of it … if God has called you, be faithful.
Edward wrote:
With its over-emphasis of “grace” to the point that it is not Grace, New Calvinism leans hard toward antinomianism. Christians have not been released from their obligation to observe the moral law, no matter how you distort “grace” to defend your belief and practice.
Max wrote:
By the way, antinomianism was the doctrine of the Nicolaitans which Jesus warned the church about in Revelation 2. New Calvinism has wrapped it in “grace” to make it more presentable to the 21st century American church, but bending the Truth to fit your belief and practice has never been acceptable to God.
Laura Turner wrote:
Ms. Stacie calls herself a “Jesus Lover” and an “Incurable Sinner” on her Twitter page, which of course is a paradox. Someone forgot to tell the child that included in the Jesus package is the ability by the Holy Spirit to steer clear of sin. Calling yourself an incurable sinner would not be pleasing to the Lord. Evidently, Mr. Tullian hasn’t got that yet, either.
Max wrote:
“My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father – Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” (1 John 2:1). This verse is not meant for “incurable” sinners, but for those who put their faith in Christ and by the Holy Spirit to avoid sin. There is a cure for the incurable – His name is Jesus!
Laura Turner wrote:
I was amused at the four girls with identical(ish) ripped jeans.
Harley wrote:
“It’s All Under The Blood(TM).”
Unepetiteanana wrote:
Every time I hear the name “Pete Wilson”, I first think of the retired Governor of California from many-many years ago. And this can’t possibly be the same guy.
Lea wrote:
Isn’t that called “totally Conforming in their Nonconformity”?
Edward wrote:
Not if you think “Ubermensch”, not bound by the morality of Untermenschen.
Laura Turner wrote:
The new improved Mrs TT is sighing on FB because the Aquila Report has picked up on latest hubby’s comeback to the pulpit. “Let the mudslinging begin!” But she’s been pushing him to return to “pastoring” ASAP. If she doesn’t want criticism from ungraceful religious people, she should encourage him to get into motivational speaking for businesses. Or he could head up a charity helping single mothers, or something.
@ Headless Unicorn Guy:
A couple FB commenters say they’d like to see him post some biblescriptures. One got pushback from the fans.
Someone who wondered about der Fuehrer’s fondness for Nietzsche got no repies.
Dave A A wrote:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@ Max:
After reading your list, I’d say he broke at leas 9 of the Commandments:
7. He has put other gods before the true God.
8. I’d call his new hottie wife a graven image. He risked sacrificing everything and everyone in his life just to have her.
9. Does his actions honor his father and mother?
10. (?????). How about keeping the Sabbath day holy? I have my doubts about him on that one, but no proof.
Nancy2 wrote:
I read somewhere his family is so well off he’d never have needed to work a day in his life. And one would suppose he was well paid as celeb pastor, writer and speaker, not to mention severance pay. Yet when he was fired the first time he gave the next church a sob story about how could he feed his kids? There’s just never enough, I guess.
@ Nancy2:
Of course, TT would probably say that’s all Old Testament stuff and not applicable to his situation under the new covenant. New Calvinists have a knack for explaining away moral failure under their distorted grace teaching.
Max wrote:
That’s very strange, kind of like an “incurable romantic” or an “incurable optimist”?
Laura Turner wrote:
oh, goodness.
Did you see the rock on her finger? No wonder he is taking all the speaking gigs he can get!
Edward wrote:
Doesn’t look like ashes.
@ brad/futuristguy:
Good work.
Divorce Minister wrote:
@ JYJames:
At least he took a short break from quoting himself! Such humbleness.
@ JYJames:
Thanks … glad that archived research how-to’s occasionally get a walk in the light of a new day …
Dave A A wrote:
I’m wondering about this. Back in 2014, he totally exposed the ugliness of the cover up at SGM and Mahany and The Gospel Coalition. Then a week later, he completely back pedaled on this and apologized for speaking against TGC and Mahany. I’m wondering if they had applied a little pressure on Tullian to apologize because they knew about his affair. Does this timeline fit?
I heard he’s going to be on ABC’s next season of Dancing with the Stars’
waking up wrote:
The timeline fits. The TT//TGC split was in May ’14 and in March ’16 statements indicated an affair 2 years or over 2 years before. But someone would have had to let the cat out of the bag, and so far as we know the elders to whom he confessed the affair kept it all hushed up.
Nancy2 wrote:
“Whoever stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” (James 2:10)
Tullian Tchividjian really dislikes Julie Anne:
https://natesparks130.com/2016/11/21/do-unto-others/
@ Daisy:
He sounds like he has a personality disorder, and is in need of serious counseling. (I am not being glib, someone in his life needs to step up and intervene.)
Dee,
One thing I could not verify–you refer to Stacie Phillips as “twice divorced.” Where did you find this?
Richard,
Multiple sources who know them. Also found it on social media which was deleted quickly as the relationship became known. I think I can find another source and will try to do it tomorrow and will post here.
Thanks. I’ll check tomorrow.
@ Richard: I confirmed with a source that is intimately involved with one of the primary individuals in this story who said that Stacie has been married twice. The second marriage has a concerning aspect to it that I am not at liberty to share at this time but hope to do so in the future. Unfortunately, the printed source that confirms this has disappeared. For now, you may find this story interesting. "Houston's Most Eligible Bachelors and Bachelorettes: 10 hot singles to heat up your March" http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/03-14-13-houstons-most-eligible-bachelors-and-bachelorettes-10-hot-singles-to-heat-up-your-march/#slide=6 If you have any info to the contrary, please let me know.
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