When I was growing up, my mother often warned me that I would be judged by the company I keep. When companies invite speakers to their annual meeting, Wall Street watches very carefully because these speakers can often indicate the direction the company is going to pursue. Rest assured that a company would never feature a speaker with whom they disagreed.
The Southern Baptist Convention has invited an interesting line-up of speakers for its 2010 Pastors’ Conference. There can be no doubt that the “committee” to “pick the guys” (yep, all male – women presumably have nothing to contribute) made darned sure that none of the speakers would detract from the direction of the SBC.
We would like to focus on some of these speakers and tell you what we, at TWW, think the CTPTG (Committee That Picks The Guys) might be telling us. Note the word “might”. We can’t read minds; however, since we have been following trends in the SBC, we believe that our thoughts cannot be dismissed entirely.
But, first, we will provide a bit of SBC history. Here goes…
Paige Patterson was the author of the far right lurch of the SBC. Please don’t misunderstand us. There was a definite need to tighten up on the doctrinal swing of the SBC, but Patterson used this opportunity to put women in their place. He has systematically removed women from their posts at seminaries and on SBC committees, and he has recalled missionaries who have made the mistake of admitting to a private prayer language or who, at any point, might have held any position of authority over a man.
Patterson has also demanded that all missionaries who were not baptized within a conservative SBC church be re-baptized, giving new meaning to the New Testament practice of baptism. He also established a B.S. degree in homemaking at SWBTS while ignoring the need for a B.S. degree in how to be a “manly man”. Just think… SWBTS could offer courses in auto mechanics and how to kill a charging elephant while on safari, which Patterson is qualified to teach…
Patterson also believes that women who are physically abused must return to their abuser. We have written extensively on Patterson and have proof in our archives. He was the de facto leader of the SBC since he met with friends in the 1970s at the Café Du Monde in New Orleans to map out his planned coup d’état.
But times, they are a changing… The reformers are gaining ground in the SBC in case you haven’t noticed. If you think Patterson had serious “issues”, wait til you meet these new boys. Yep, ”boys only”, which carries on the Patterson tradition. Allow us to introduce you to the speakers of the 2010 SBC Pastors’ Conference and to rate them as follows:
(+) if they are reformed (a more acceptable term than “Calvinist”)
(-) if they are not reformed
(?) if they have not declared or appear neutral
Al Mohler (+): The president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is the rising “definer of the way” in the SBC.
- A rabid reformed Baptist (Calvinista)
- A member of the governing body of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW), which his seminary houses
- Supports the strange doctrine of the Eternal Subordination of the Son (ESS – the Son, Jesus Christ, will be subordinate to God the Father for all eternity) which serves the basis for the Eternal Subordination of Women (subordinate to men here on earth and for all of eternity) This is not a joke!
- Formed Together for the Gospel with Ligon Duncan, (PCA), Mark Dever, and C. J. Mahaney.
C.J.Mahaney (+) This self-styled “Head Apostle” is the founder of the “family of churches” called Sovereign Grace Ministries. These ministries have been dogged by accusations of abusive leadership both now and in their former permutation as People of Destiny (PDI), among other names, and even reaching further back into the well known abusive shepherding ministries of the 1970s.
- Reformed charismatic
- Not Southern Baptist
- No education beyond high school
- Founder and head of the secretive Pastors College
- Vice-chairman of the Board of Directors of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
- Known for accusations of abusive leadership in this “family of churches” (Refer to sgmsurvivors.com and sgmrefuge.com)
- Best “homie” of Al Mohler (Hey Al – friends don’t let friends abuse church members!)
- Lots of churches — well, actually 61 in the United States and 12 abroad. Interestingly, the first SGM church (Covenant Life Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland) was established in 1977. Let’s see… that works out to around 2 churches per year that SGM has added to its “family of churches” in the U.S. WOW! A real trendsetter!!!
Russell Moore (+) Moore is the Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice President for Academic Administration of Southern Seminary and is a preaching pastor at Highview Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky.
- Reformed Baptist
- Heavily involved with the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) — did we mention that the CBMW is housed at SBTS?
- Proposes that complementarianism between man and woman is too soft a term. Instead prefers the Old Testament term “Patriarch”
David Platt (+) Platt is a rising star in the Southern Baptist firmament. He is 31 years old and holds an earned Ph.D. from New Orleans Baptist Seminary. He is the lead pastor of The Church at Brook Hills in Birmingham, Alabama.
- Reformed Baptist
- Will be featured at the 2010 Together for the Gospel (T4G)
- Shows up at all the “´right” conferences with Mahaney, Mohler, etc.
- Plugged by Mahaney
- Big church
Matt Chandler (+) Chandler is lead pastor of the “6,000 member” of the Southern Baptist Village Church in Flower Mound, Texas which is a suburb to the north of Dallas.
- Reformed Baptist
- Big church
He has been critical of some “Calvinists”, yet seems to embrace friendships with Mohler, Mahaney, and others. (http://lofitribe.com/matt-chandler-on-the-reformed-community/)
Sad Update: Chandler was diagnosed with an unencapsulated (meaning it is not contained) malignant brain tumor of the frontal lobe and is presently receiving radiation at Baylor Hospital. We ask that our readers take a moment and pray for Chandler and his family. Although we may disagree with some of his theology, he is our brother in Christ and we pray for peace that passes all understanding. Dee’s daughter had a similar diagnosis at the age of 3 and our hearts understand their pain.
David Uth (?) Uth holds an earned Ph.D. from SWBTS. He is the lead pastor of the “14,000 member” First Baptist Church of Orlando. (Side note: TWW has taken to putting quotes around all figures of membership released by SBC churches since even the SBC has admitted that these membership numbers may be inflated throughout convention affiliated churches.)
- SBC affiliated - although there are some loose associations with the reformed crowd, there is no firm tie so we would say the jury is out on this
- Since Orlando is hosting the SBC Convention, it’s probable that Uth’s inclusion on the platform is a courteous quid pro quo
- Big church
David Landrith (?) Landrith is the head pastor of the large Long Hollow Baptist Church which is located just north of Nashville, Tennessee and has three worship centers. He holds a degree from SWBTS .
- Close ties to Al Mohler and Ed Stetzer (Lifeway)
- Big church
Francis Chan (+) Chan is the teaching pastor of Cornerstone Community Church in Simi Valley, California and holds a master of Divinity from Masters College which was founded by John MacArthur. The church is not affiliated with any denominations.
- Espouses reformed theology yet shies away from calling himself by the reformed title
- Big church
Ken Whitten (-) Whitten is the Senior Pastor of Idlewood Baptist Church in Lutz, Florida. He is also a member of the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force.
- Big church
- Friend of Johnny Hunt, SBC President
Steve Gaines (-) Gaines is the lead pastor of the embattled “30,000″ (probably closer to 7,000) member Bellevue Baptist Church located in Memphis, Tennessee. He has an earned degree from SWBTS and is a friend of Paige Patterson.
- Big church, big salary
- Knowingly concealed the history of an incestuous pastor from his congregation for over 6 months
Andy Stanley (-) Stanley is the son of Charles Stanley. He holds an earned Masters degree from Dallas Theological Seminary and is a senior pastor of the ‘”40,000″ attendee North Point Community Church in Atlanta. Although the church and ministry are not formerly affiliated with the SBC, observers say that the church functions as one. His father was once President of the SBC.
- Big church
- Major author
- National profile
- Close family ties to the Paige Patterson wing of the SBC
Danny Akin (?) Akin is the president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He holds a Masters degree from SWBTS and an earned Ph.D. from the University of Texas, Arlington. While Akin has not made a public profession that he is reformed, he is very supportive of reformers within the SBC.
- Friends with Al Mohler, Mark Dever, and C.J.Mahaney. All three have spoken during chapel at SEBTS (Mahaney has spoken on AT LEAST three separate occasions since 2008 — specifically, the 2008 and 2009 20/20 conferences and the 2009 “God Exposed” Conference along with his close buddy Mark Dever of IX Marks)
- Council Member for the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
- Developed the “Great Commission Resurgence” plan together with Johnny Hunt
Tony Evans and Ravi Zacharias (-) For the sake of brevity, both of these men are well-known on an international scale for the ministries and are loved by both those inside and outside of the Calvinist tradition. They are not “political” within the SBC factions.
So, here is our observation. The reformed wing of the SBC is on the rise, and we predict they will dominate during the next decade. We believe that Mahaney is tied into this group because he brings a strict, hyper-authoritarian view to the SBC. Over the last several decades, Mahaney has achieved total control over the SGM “family of churches”. We believe the SBC is looking to do something very similar. The reformed leaders in the SBC want to control doctrinal issues that, in the past, would have been considered secondary issues.
What does this mean in practice?
- Pastors will adopt a strict view of “authority” and, as such, will have little, if any, accountability to the congregation.
- Women can expect to see their roles within the church severely limited in the coming years.
- There will be an upsurge in “church discipline” as SBC pastors will seek to control members ala SGM, thanks to Mark Dever and his 9Marks (Mark #7 to be specific).
- Young earth creationism will become an “enforced” doctrine.
- The priesthood of the believer will be downplayed even more than it is now. Note: it is non-existent in Sovereign Grace Ministries.
- Big churches will be equated with God’s favor. Only those who lead mega-churches will have any influence within the SBC.
What will be the results of this? We believe membership in the SBC will continue to decline precipitously, and the SBC will become increasingly irrelevant, losing its previous influence in the general society.
If only the SBC could learn to major on the majors and minor on the minors. Unfortunately, there are far too many egos at stake. The new majors will include large churches, lots of money, and pastoral authority, leaving the SBC looking less and less like the church of Jesus Christ.
If the leadership of the SBC does not change the current direction of the denomination, we predict the Southern Baptist Convention in decades to come will become a shrunken version of its previous self, incapable of carrying out the “Great Commission Resurgence”. When that day comes, we believe the SBC leaders who took the denomination in this dangerous direction will look back and FINALLY realize how terribly wrong they were. Then it will be too late…
Double check your info on Platt. Don’t think he is a Calvinist.
Anonymous,
If David Platt isn’t a Calvinist, then why was he chosen by the Fab Four to be a breakout speaker at the upcoming T4G? Are these reformed guys finally becoming more inclusive?
http://www.t4g.org/conference/t4g-2010/
Speakers
Thabiti Anyabwile
Mark Dever
Ligon Duncan
John MacArthur
C.J. Mahaney
Albert Mohler
John Piper
R.C. Sproul
Breakout Speakers
Eric Bancroft
Tony Carter
Kevin DeYoung
Greg Gilbert
Brian Habig
Joshua Harris
Michael McKinley
David Platt
David Platt is reformed. My wife asked him herself off to the side after he preached at Johnny Hunt’s FBC Woodstock in December. His reply was something like, “Yes. I see the sovereignty of God throughout Scripture.”
Thanks for the info JD!
Here what I found at the Brook Hills Church web site:
http://www.brookhills.org/new/beliefs.html
“God’s Purpose and Grace
Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. It is consistent with the free agency of man, and comprehends all the means in connection with the end. It is the glorious display of God’s sovereign goodness, and is infinitely wise, holy, and unchangeable. It excludes boasting and promotes humility.”
I find the word “election” above to be rather telling…
It seems to me that the predictions you have made for the future of the SBC are all already in place. They may (and probably will) increase, but it seems the SBC is already well down the road you’ve described.
Junkster
You are also on top of this. I have left the SBC and have returned to a Bible church which in involves a 35 minute drive. This is 15 more minutes than my last church. However, it is worth every last mile. They are not dogmatic on Calvinism , creationism (in terms of how long) and they are very evangelical. They are in a university town and have several atheistic professors who have started coming because they are intrigued with the Gospel. I will write more on this in the coming weeks.
Blessings
Junkster,
Dee and I were STUNNED to learn about the Council of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, the Eternal Subordination of the Son to the Father, Patriarchy (disguised as complementarianism), Together for the Gospel, C.J Mahaney and his shenanigans in SGM, Mark Dever’s 9Marks, and Al Mohler’s bizarre stands (such as the sin of singleness and deliberate childlessness), among other issues in the FALL of 2008. The events that led us to such discoveries are truly incredible.
We talked about establishing this blog for at least two years before we launched it. I was hesitant to get started because I honestly didn’t think there was that much to write about within Christendom. That was BEFORE we discovered what was REALLY going on with the Calvinistas.
I would venture to guess that most Southern Baptists have no clue what’s really going on underneath the surface. It reminds me of the conservative takeover of the SBC by Patterson and his crew. That’s part of the reason why The Wartburg Watch exists. We are trying to educate Southern Baptists about what is happening in their denomination. You are probably right — it may be too late…
I have also left the SBC, so I don’t have a vested interest in any of this now; in fact, my research of the above-mentioned topics is the very reason why I left a year ago.
May blind eyes finally see in the SBC…
Northpoint Community Church does not operate in any way like an SBC church.
Anonymous
I just left a SBC church that prided itself as not functioning anything like an SBC church. They were only partially correct. They didn’t operate like an old fashioned SBC church. They operated as a newfangled reformed SBC church and that is why I didn’t recognize what was going on for a few years. And once I figured it out, it was jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I just wish someone had clued me in so I didn’t spend over 8 years banging my head against the wall.
Notice, most of the pastors listed are mega church pastors. What does that tell us?
Anonymous, To date, most SBC churches do not operate as Baptist. They have thrown out the Holy Priesthood and Soul competency. Two big tenants of being Baptist. Now, we have our very own human high priests between us and Christ.
Andy Stanley believes the pastor is best thought of as a CEO.
It is suggested by, Mortal, that as members of the family of God, we are similar to members of worldly families. We all are born unsaved.
We know our families norms, culture, expectations, and what will bring a parents correction. It is common for members of the same family to develop separate and distinct values of their own, and these are reflected in their own families and their life and their published writings.
We, as members of the family of God, have similar differences. The key is we should filter out all input that are from those who are charlatans of the church, or those that have not excepted Jesus as their Savior.
We should only consider input from those family members of God that are biblical in their life and actions and works. Especially for the works they write.
By doing this filtering, we can save a lot of time and focus and learn from the ideas that are of value to us as members of the family of God on earth.
Mortal said:
“We should only consider input from those family members of God that are biblical in their life and actions and works. Especially for the works they write.”
Mortal,
You have made an excellent point. In fact, it’s why The Wartburg Watch exists. We know that all Christians will not always agree with our positions, but we are striving to be “Biblical” to use a term that is overly used and sometimes wrongly applied by the Calvinistas.
Thanks for commenting, and I hope you’ll chime in again soon.
Deb,
Thank you for your edification on this topic.
I am not sure if this is where we can discuss evolution or not. If not please ignore me.
In the debate between evolution and creation, if we can prove the opponents position, that of evolution, then we can move on.
But if we try to prove evolution, based upon the theory the evolutionist provide, and from scientific facts, and only facts, and with no personal opinions, bias, or statements like “I THINK”, “I Believe” and such input, and the theory falls or collapses upon itself we can then move on.
References to the bible or other religious references should only be used where scientific facts are presented.
Mortal
I responded to your email without hitting reply so it immediately follows your comment. Sorry.
Hi Mortal
I am teaching this Sunday on the conflicts between Christians in the creationism debate. Although I am not an evolutionist, I am an admirer of Francis Collins with his theory of Biologos. Straight Darwinism cannot be Christian position since it relies on naturalistic, random evolution and nothing about God is random. Could God have programmed our genes? Well, why not? It is the position of thoughtful Christians who are far smarter than I am-Collins being the prime example.
Here is the issue for me. God spoke and the universe leapt into existence. When I consider the universe-galaxies, black holes, nebulas, infinite vastness, particles of energy that arrive at their destination before they left the previous one, and so on; I am in awe, startled perplexed and strangely worshipful.This God is not a tame God and my efforts to understand this with my limited IQ is doomed to failure.
So, I am a curious observer.And I struggle with the pat answers of some of the YE crowd-note: some, not all.I believe that God has given us natural revelation so we can discover Him in His creation. Romans1:20 tells us that we are without excuse because He has given us clues in nature. I do not believe God set out to trick us by allowing us to observe an ancient universe and then say, “got ya” when we reach logical conclusions.
In the end, you may discuss anything you want on this site so long as you don’t mind honest answers. Thanks for being interested.
Deb,
Thank you for your honest answer, and my studies on evolution versus creation beings me close to your view. God has not set out to trick us, but as a very loving Parent, has provided clues to us so we can use our intellectual capabilities to figure out this puzzle.
Just like you may place your child in a situation that encourages them to figure things out. You provide all the material they need, but let them figure it out.
And remember the joy you felt when they finally got it right!
Does God feel joy when we, His children, correctly figure out the issue or problem He places in our paths as we progress through life?
Mortal
I loved your comment. I plan to read it to my Sunday school this Sunday. I am talking about conflicts in creationism and how we should learn to treat one another with respect.I never thought of the analogy of our own children and how they learn things and how absolutely proud we are when they figure it out. I still remember when my older daughter, now a firefighter, learned to tie her shoe. We jumped around and she sang songs and marched around. I bet God does something similar-I wonder how God jumps up and down?