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‘”If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort, you will not get either comfort or truth, only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair. CS Lewis.
I plan to cover the Burk Parsons situation on Monday.
This is a two-part post. However, part 2 will be found in this post, updated on Sunday. So check back here. I will add the word “Update” to the title when I add Sunday’s portion.
How will Eastminster Church respond?
Some of the victims of Bodie Weiss when he was at Eastminster have banded together to respond to the church. A church is obligated to respond to abuse within its institution when abuse has been discovered, even if it is decades in the past. In my first post on this matter, I said that the victims might not respond in the way the church may hope. The victims are experts on their abuse and have lived with the pain while considering what sort of response they believe is justified. I think that a church in this circumstance should go to the victims and ask them what they believe might be a just and considerate response by the church. My guess, sadly, is that the church lawyers might disagree.
So the victims will react, and that should come as no surprise to the church. This is when a church can demonstrate its compassion for the victims by listening and attempting to understand the victims who have borne this pain for a long time. I will never forget an elder’s (in my former SBC church) remark when I mentioned that the many victims were going to have difficulties in their lives due to the abuse. He said, “They’ll get over it.” They didn’t, and neither will the victims of Eastminster’s past oversight failures regarding Weiss. Can a church, seeking to do the right thing, persevere with the victims for however long it may take and however difficult it may be?
The victims have formed eastminstertruth.org
Here is a link to their new website. The information is compelling. There is information on:
- How to report abuse safely
- The inadequacies of Kansas state reporting laws.
- A call to change the laws in Kansas
- Timeline of the events surrounding the abuse of victims.
- Survivors statements
- Church response
- Media coverage.
I had no idea of the extent of the victims’ response and was impressed when I viewed the website.
Press release
They asked that the following be posted.
Press Release: Call for Full Cooperation with Law Enforcement
Demand for Transparency and Accountability
For Immediate Release
Wichita, KS, 06/18/2025
In the interest of transparency and justice, we are calling upon Eastminster Presbyterian Church to immediately turn over the entirety of their internal investigation to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. As an institution that stands as a pillar of faith and trust, Eastminster has a moral and civic responsibility to ensure that no stone is left unturned in the pursuit of truth and accountability.
Recent events have raised significant concerns, and it is imperative that this matter be handled with the utmost seriousness and professionalism. Law enforcement agencies are equipped with the resources and expertise to conduct comprehensive inquiries, ensuring that due process is followed and that any wrongdoing is appropriately addressed under the rule of law.
The days of the church cosplaying as detective, jury and judge need to be over. Their continued mishandling of this case can only be resolved by letting the appropriate professionals do their job.
We victims and the public at large deserve complete transparency, and any delay in transferring the investigation to law enforcement undermines the integrity of the process. We ask for immediate action and await confirmation that this critical step has been taken.
For further inquiries, please contact:
Eastminster Truth
contact@EastminsterTruth.org
Announcing a press conference outside of Eastminster Church at the time of the Service of Lamentation.
Media Advisory
Press Conference Invitation
What:
A press conference will be held to address important updates and announcements related to the serial sexual abuse of children at Eastminster Presbyterian Church from 1990–2006.
Who:
Representatives from Eastminster Truth will be present to provide details and answer questions. Media representatives will have the opportunity to engage directly with the speakers.
When:
Sunday, June 22nd, 4:00 PM
Where:
Outside of Eastminster Church
1958 N Webb Rd, Wichita, KS 67206
Why:
This press conference serves as an opportunity to share critical information and updates with the community through the media.
Contact Information:
For further inquiries or confirmations, please contact:
Tyson Stuart – Eastminster Truth
contact@EastminsterTruth.org
214-236-2850
We look forward to welcoming members of the press to this important event.
Part 2: Check back on Sunday. The following will be read at the press conference today by Eastminster victims.
I continue to be moved by victims of sexual abuse as they make a bold stand to go forward with their identities. Even more stirring is their wish to pursue truth and justice for those harmed by Bodie Weiss. I call attention to their concern that an NDA for one victim was neither requested nor wanted by the family or the victims. It is high time for churches that follow the One who calls Himself the truth to reject the use of NDAs.
Finally, and this one pains me the most, the church has stopped communicating with these victims. It is just another example of churches acting in direct opposition to the life exhibited by Him whom they claim to follow. Yes, Eastminster Church, this is difficult. Hang in there and seek to first understand as opposed to wishing to be understood.
A protest will be held outside the church.
Dee highlighted portions of the following:
Thank you for being here with us today. Our mission is simple – to protect victims of childhood sexual assault past, present and future. You, the media continue to help us so much in trying to meet this mission. We’re grateful to have it.
Earlier this week we made the demand for Eastminster to turn over the entire, unredacted report to law enforcement. We did so for two reasons – aside from it being the right thing to do.
One, their statement released last Saturday claimed that the non-disclosure agreement on the victim and his family from 2008 was initiated by the family. That account directly contradicts the account of both the victim and his parents – who claim that the church initiated that as well as the payment.
And two, one of the investigators for Fact Finding Ministries, Randy Coffman, is a parishioner of Eastminster. This is a clear conflict of interest. I have also heard from some that gave their accounts to the investigation that she did not disclose that information – which to us victims, renders their investigation as non-credible. As a former law enforcement officer, she should have known better.
After raising concerns with her about the disparity in accounts of the origin of the NDA, all communications with the representative of the church assigned to speak with us stopped. Which only leads us to believe that once again, the church is listening to their lawyers not the victims.
A true third party, law enforcement, is the only entity that can conduct the investigation that this case needs. And their non-credible report needs to be turned over to the authorities as evidence.
We also demand that Eastminster do the right thing by that 2008 victim and his family and publicly release them from the NDA.
And finally, the last conversation I had with Brian Roberts, the aforementioned representative, he stated to me that they were doing this so future predators would see this organization as an unsafe space for them – that they would know they are not welcome there and that this never be allowed to happen again. We are willing to help you do so.
We demand that you change your bylaws to direct all future allegations of a crime against a child directly to law enforcement. Eastminster has and continues show itself as wildly incapable of handling such serious allegations in an appropriate manner.
We demand that you change your bylaws to forbid the use of non-disclosure agreements into perpetuity. Silencing truth has no place in any church.
We demand that you publicly call for the passage of HB 2300 – which would make ordained ministers of religion Mandatory Reporters of abuse and neglect of children. Not only would this signal to a predator that they are not welcome at Eastminster but the greater church at-large.
We demand that you publicly request the Kansas State Legislature to introduce a bill that would remove the statute of limitations altogether on the civil recourse for victims of childhood abuse – not just for future cases but also retroactively. The average age a victim comes forward with their story is 52. Under current law, the majority of victims are barred from pursuing civil justice after their 31st birthday. This law solely exists to protect institutions and the powerful. It is of zero service to victims.
By meeting these demands, Eastminster will be on its way to accomplishing what it says it wants to. It will finally do what is right, not just by all of us victims, but also their current congregation, ensuring to them that their children and their families are truly safe from the threat of any child abuse.
We look forward to that day.
God bless these survivors. There is strength in numbers. Thank you for updating us, Dee.
Sunlight Disinfectant(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“church lawyers”
hmmm … I don’t see that on the list of spiritual offices given to the Church, as outlined in Ephesians. But, neither is “Youth Pastor.”
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“I will never forget an elder’s (in my former SBC church) remark when I mentioned that the many victims were going to have difficulties in their lives due to the abuse. He said, “They’ll get over it.””
Sounds like something Jesus would say … NOT!!
It’s amazing how many church elders/deacons I encountered in SBC life that were cut out of the same unChristlike mold. “The love of many will grow cold” (Matthew 24:12).
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Eastminster’s reaction to the press conference could turn out to be a big tell, but it may take some wait-and-see time.
Will the church ignore the conference? Will people in the church come out and publicly support the victims? Will the press and the victims get kicked off church property? Will church leaders speak to reporter? If so, what will they say?
Hmmmm…… even if the church, as a whole, speaks well to and about the victims, will it be all show and no stay?
Nancy2(aka Kevlar)(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
Me? My ornery side would shine through.
Yeah, I’d be waiting with baited breath to say, “You’ll get over it” every chance I could find to a church leader like that. If I found him pulled to the side of the road with two flat tires during a thunder storm, I’d stop just long enough to shrug my shoulders and say, “You’ll get over it”, then drive on.
Nancy2(aka Kevlar)(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Pray for American military stationed in the Middle East.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
“They’ll get over it”
“He jests at scars that never felt a wound” Act 2 scene 2
I think I’ve shared this previously. Nonetheless, when the appointed psychologist Gustave Gilbert interviewed and analysed numerous war criminals at Nuremberg after WW2, people who held a variety of professions not just military. Gilbert concluded saying, “evil is the absence of empathy.”
Ian Docker(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Church leadership who cover and protect abusers in their midst, not heeding the cries of victims, are participants of evil.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
So why are there preachers denouncing “The Sin of Empathy” from their pulpits and ghostwritten books?
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
And slap down the “In Light of Bible Prophecy” types.
Because they’ll be coming out of the woodwork with their marked-up End Times charts and checklists.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I was young and now I’m old. One thing I’ve observed during my long journey through the American church … preachers who preach the hardest about a particular sin are often found themselves to be living that sin (e.g., Ted Haggard, Bill Gothard, Bill Hybels, Mike Bickle, etc. etc.).
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
In this case, some kind of reverse mechanism seems to be in place:
1. Preacher notices he completely lacks empathy (often the case in narcissistic and sociopathic personalities)
2. Preacher knows this is sin.
In your old model, Max, the preacher would now preach against individuals having no empathy. However, for the narcissist, this is inconvenient. It’s also inconvenient for the type of politics many of these pastors have sold their soul for. Therefore, in the new model, the new third step goes as follows:
3. Preacher, despite knowing his total LACK OF EMPATHY is sin, condemns empathy itself as sinful (and makes a mental note, never to preach on the sermon on the mount).
Gus(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Gus,
Have always been amazed what people are prepared to rationalse and explain away or explain to their advantage. Don’t get me going about the fear of any critical thinking, self-reflection and tea spoons of cognitive dissonance.
“As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out – the only son of his mother and she was a widow…when the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, “Don’t cry.”
This historical instance came to mind while standing at the grave of my grandmother who lost two young sons in a world war.
Mothers come to mind now when I hear of young Ukrainian, Russian and other young men who are thrown into wars when they would rather be at home with family and loved ones.
Blessed are they who…
Ian Docker(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
This is psychological projection, a defense mechanism. Accusers will offload their guilt/shame onto others, sometimes because they want to justify continuing their bad behavior. This is a prevalent—and oftentimes dangerous—trait of narcissistic individuals.
Valerie Stewart(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
This is also a tactic narcissistic cult leaders use to condition the congregation into believing that victims who walked away from the church are sinners that can’t be trusted. Leaders who promote the idea that “empathy is a sin” are predators.
Valerie Stewart(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
They have to keep this hidden; the image of the Invincible Inerrant Pastor/Fuehrer cannot be allowed to slip. But there’s another factor in play.
Remember the one about how a lot of psychiatrists/psychologists are not all that sane themselves and got into the field so self-medicate/self-treat without anyone finding out? well these Preacher-Boyz also have a Deep Dark Secret they can’t let out; a lot of the rabid rage from the pulpit may be self-medication/self-treatment of their own Deep Dark Secret; the more of a frenzy they are against it, the more they can keep it in check and keep anyone else from finding out. Add in projection, and…
You get recovering alcoholic (and possible “dry alky”) Billy Sunday screaming Christless sermons against Demon Run.
You get Rush Limbaugh, Number-one Fanboy of the War on Drugs while fighting a secret Osycontim addiction.
You Get Ted Haggard, second only to Fred Phelps in the “GAWD H&S FAGS!” department while doing male prostitutes on the side (and his bad disguise getting known on sight at every gay porn shop in the area).
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
My wiring partner (the burned-out country preacher) described “The SIN of Empathy” as straight out of Ayn Rand, almost Chapter and Verse.
Another figure who considered Empathy a Sin was a famous Austrian cult leader with a funny little mustache: “CLOSE YOUR HEARTS TO PITY! ACT BRUTALLY! THE STRONGEST IS ALWAYS RIGHT!” (Orders to the Wehrmacht for Operation Barbarossa.)
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I’d be tempted to do that, too. It would serve them right.
Nearly a decade after my own sexual assault, my pastor had told me I need to “get over it and move on”. I know he means well, but it doesn’t make it hurt any less. That kind of trauma lasts a lifetime. One doesn’t “get over it”. One has to learn to LIVE WITH IT.
Sunlight Disinfectant(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
More fallout regarding cover-up of Robert Morris abuse:
“Lead pastor of New Life Church in Colorado Springs resigns”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ok-fjEzyI
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
And we are suppose to “obey/follow these guys”……..
Jeffrey Chalmers(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The American church gets what it wants … if folks in the pew weren’t adoring and financing these bad-boys, we wouldn’t be here talking about them all the time.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Valerie Stewart(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Valerie Stewart,
Whoops, formatting error.
An enormous Red Flag is when these churches are more concerned about people being “unchurched” than they are with following Christ. They hear the coins jingling in their coffers rather than the cries of the sheep.
Valerie Stewart(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Yes. When they “church” them, they don’t really disciple them as they ought, because they themselves don’t know Christ as they ought. Jingling coins have a way of drowning out cries of the sheep; a wolf in shepherd’s clothing doesn’t have any empathy for the flock.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
One day there will be a reckoning, Oh is there gonna’ be a reckoning!
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Muff Potter,
It’s the same old story, old men prattle on about why, while young men bleed and die.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
IMO, he was not your “pastor” … he was someone filling the pulpit at your church. True pastors have empathy … “get over it” is not in their vocabulary.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Is that a “non crime crime”?
Michael in UK(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)