“I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ―
A lot is going on out there, and I have so much to share with you. It appears we are in a busy time at the moment. In the meantime, Todd helped me purchase the 9Marx Toolkit, which is their formula for making a church more biblical™. I think I will learn a great deal about how to create a church in the image of Mark Dever. I will have a lot of fun reading it, and I am willing to wager that I will find loads to discuss. To make it more interesting, a particularly famous SBC pastor here in Raleigh attempted to take over a church. It did not go well. In the meantime…
Things are heating up on the Eastminster situation. On 6/9/25, I wrote Update: Eastminster Presbyterian Church’s (EPC) Investigation Found at least 23 Victims of Past Sexual Abuse and Is Offering Help and a Service of Lament. Some Thoughts About the Victims and the Church’s Response. The church leadership today was not leading during that time and claimed not to be aware of the Bodie Weiss abuse situation. However, it appears that things were more complicated than I imagined. They usually are in these situations. Here’s the update, along with a plea.
Internal investigation called student reports “not credible.”
KAKE.com wrote Eastminster Presbyterian admits to investigating and dismissing abuse allegations three separate times before 2024. Uh oh! Here is the video.
The letter from the church admits to more of the story.
Eastminster sent a letter to the congregation this past weekend. Here are some highlights with my responses. However, I encourage readers to review the complete letter.
- We are doing our best to seek the truth and be as transparent as possible in light of these findings and allegations.
Dee: Transparency is not easy, but as followers of the One Who is the Truth, it is necessary.
December 2000, a former student in Eastminster’s senior high youth group, known as Real Life, alleged that in the early 1990s, Weiss had engaged in inappropriate physical contact and had sexually harassed the student….Following an investigation, including interviews with both Weiss and the former student, a determination was made that the allegations being made by the student were not credible.
What investigation? Did a third-party independent group do it, or was it one of those “pastor” investigations? It now seems like these reports were credible, and the one who did the “investigation” was not credible or informed. I can imagine Bodie having a good laugh at how easy it was to deceive the leadership. Where was the Holy Spirit in all of this?
May 2005, two men in Pennsylvania alleged in telephone conversations with an Eastminster pastor that Weiss had engaged in inappropriate sexual activity with them at a church in Pennsylvania in 1980 when they were approximately 16 years old and Weiss was approximately 18 years old. Following an investigation, including interviews with Weiss and with the pastors atthe Pennsylvania church, a determination was made that the allegations could not be substantiated.
How does one “substantiate” sexual abuse? The abuse is usually carried out in private. It would seem to me that the church should have been on high alert since a report was made in 2000.
After Weiss had left his position at Eastminster and was no longer employed in any ministry capacity, an attorney representing a former student sent a demand letter to Eastminster. In thatletter, which was sent in July 2008, the attorney alleged that the student had been sexually abused by Weiss during the time the student had participated in Eastminster’s senior high youth group. Following an investigation, Eastminster’s insurance carrier agreed in September 2009 to pay a monetary settlement to the student and his family. At the request of the student’s family,the settlement included a non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
When this happened, did the “investigators” of the previous complaints go back and try to figure out what was going on? The church claims to be interested in transparency, so why does it have a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) in place? I would venture to guess that the student who got the NDA is willing to speak of what happened. NDAs usually protect the church, but so be it. The church could respond by offering to release him from the non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
Looking back, the current Eastminster Session recognizes that the apparent success of Eastminster’s student ministries during Weiss’s tenure at Eastminster likely caused past Eastminster leadership to place too much trust in Weiss and to allow Weiss to lead those student ministry programs with too much autonomy and not enough accountability.
This is an insightful statement. I have found churches more than willing to protect pastors and leaders from complaints of sexual abuse by students. It happened in my former church, and that is why I blog. It saddens me to know that the previous leadership would be so willing to throw victims under the bus while protecting one of their own.
NDAs have no place in the church.
In 2021, I posted Is the Use of NDAs in Christian Churches and Organizations Ethically Sound? No, Says #NDAfree.
#NDAfree link to the rescue
This incredible group of people has started an organization aimed at stopping NDAs from being used in the church.
We are a global movement with a vision to see individuals, Christian organizations and local churches free from the misuse of Non-Disclosure Agreements. #NDAfree contributes to this by raising awareness of the issues and providing some tools for change.
Their story
At #NDAfree we dream of seeing individuals and organizations break free of the pervasive culture of NDAs. Too often, these tools are used to silence people following abuse or whistleblowing.
We’re a community of survivors, whistleblowers and activists, brought together by a shared belief in this justice issue.As followers of Jesus, we long to see our communities press into the hard work of pursuing truth, promoting transparency and, where possible, seeking reconciliation.
Stories of those who were silenced by an NDA link
Currently, there are four stories on this page that will help to demonstrate to the reader that NDAs are a problem. Here is one such story: Global evangelical leader silences those he abuses
A most helpful FAQ page link
Here are two questions and answers.
Do NDAs have a legitimate purpose?
Yes. Their original purpose was the protection of intellectual property and we believe this is the proper use for NDAs. Another legitimate purpose is the protection of personal data in scenarios not covered by data protection regulation. For example, a confidentiality agreement may be appropriate when hiring an external contractor such as an independent bookkeeper or IT support who might have access to confidential data.Is there an alternative to an NDA for ensuring confidential information about vulnerable people is not disclosed?
Relying on an NDA to protect confidential information about vulnerable people is an admission of failure in earlier processes such as recruitment, supervision, protection of confidential information, ongoing professional training and adherence to policies and procedures. Within your church/organization, there is a responsibility to ensure that only appropriately trained and trustworthy staff have access to confidential information about vulnerable people. In relevant jurisdictions, this will include adherence to General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) which makes provision for the protection of stored data.
…Julie Roys’ website documented some organizations that have used NDAs in #NDAfree Launches to End Christian Community’s Use of Non-Disclosure Agreements
- Lori Anne Thompson, the first of Ravi Zacharias’s victims to speak out, had been bound by an NDA. She wrote it felt “dehumanizing.”
- Former staff with the Acts 29 church network recounted being fired and forced to sign non-disclosure agreements after alerting leaders in 2015 to bullying and abuse of power.
- Survivors of abuse at Camp Kanakuk, one of the country’s largest Christian camps, suggested that NDAs “concealed the truth in order to preserve a ministry brand and economic engine.”
- And the new church founded by Mark Driscoll requires volunteers to sign an NDA, a former security director said.
- Even Classical Conversations, which produces homeschool educational materials, has required contractors to sign NDAs. Whistleblowers said the company amounted to a multilevel marketing scheme exploiting parents and low-level contractors.
NDAs are rapidly becoming unenforceable in sexual abuse cases.
Here is one state that has already passed a law. Missouri Governor Signs Law Making NDAs Unenforceable. A Texas bill is still waiting for the governor’s signature.
Trey’s Law, so titled for Trey Carlock who died by suicide after suffering sexual abuse at the hands of Peter Newman at Kanakuk Kamps, makes NDAs signed after August 28, 2025, unenforceable in childhood sexual abuse claims, the Springfield News-Leader reported.
The law was passed as an amendment to House Bill 737 in April.
Until now, Tennessee had been the only state to have passed a law — in 2018 — specifically prohibiting NDAs in civil child sexual abuse settlements, rendering them “void and unenforceable.”
NDAs should never be used in child sex abuse settlements. Wouldn’t it be great if Eastminster released the one victim from his Eastminster settlement?
There is more to come on this story. If it gets up by 8 PM EST, I will add it here. If not, I will write a new post.
Dee, you truly are doing God’s work. THANK YOU.
Sunlight Disinfectant(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“… a determination was made … the allegations could not be substantiated”
Nice use of passive voice (twice!) for maximum distancing.
How about “we decided that we did not believe what the young man told us”?
Or even better, “We decided we did not want to believe the victim’s story, because believing it would have made us uncomfortable and would have required immediate action.”
Gus(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thank you, Dee.
Lax oversight of visibly “successful” ministry may be wide-spread. Why interfere with what’s “working.”?
Regarding the NDA, this wording
> At the request of the student’s family,the settlement included a non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
Suggests that it is the church that is bound by the agreement, and not the victim (or not the victim only); if that’s right, they are not the ones who are in a position to release themselves from the terms of the agreement.
Samuel Conner(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“NDAs should never be used in child sex abuse settlements.”
In no compartment of American society should an institution be protected by an NDA in the case of child sexual abuse! … and particularly so in institutions claiming to represent the Living God!
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I thought NDAs are Null & Void if used to cover up a crime.
(But that might be only blue states outside the Bible Belt- Touch Not Mine Anointed, remember.)
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dee, you have piqued my curiosity. As a native and resident of the Greater Raleigh Area ™, and as a former Southern Baptist, I cannot figure out which church you’re referring to.
Oh, btw, Dee: have you heard about the goings on at Christ Baptist? I don’t know the story, but something has happened because many of the power players have returned to PBC. Naturally, they were immediately placed back in leadership – worldly status and money is a spiritual qualification, after all – but I don’t know what triggered the partial exodus of some of the founding members.
Burwell Stark(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I believe Dee is referring to J.D. Greear’s failed takeover of Faith Baptist Church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsi41ou-xNg
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
Ahhhh…thank you, Max. I am further out of the loop than I realized. Blissfully ignorant, if you will.
Burwell Stark(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thanks to a lead from Max, I found this article that addresses church takeovers. I am not familiar with the organization “American Reformer” but found this article, especially the part about Faith Church vs Summitt to be infuriating.
Burwell Stark(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Burwell Stark,
I wish Greear’s takeover attempt of Faith Baptist was an isolated thing in SBC; unfortunately, there are many reports of traditional (non-Calvinist) SBC churches being taken over by the New Calvinists through stealth and deception.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Burwell Stark,
The author is the same guy from the “Conversations That Matter” YouTube channel. He’s also a MacArthur fan.
Arlo(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thanks for the link, Burwell. The case histories of church takeovers detailed in the article are fascinating, but sad. However, I think, in the case of the SBC takeovers, that the author misses the root behind this evil … it is not “woke” but New Calvinism driving SBC takeovers. The closing comments on the piece about the takeover at First Baptist Church, Naples FL points to the direct connection of various players to Al Mohler. Mohler wants the SBC Calvinized pure and simple. Putting a woke face of social and racial justice on things at FBC-Naples covers the real root of what is going on there and elsewhere … to takeover churches for the glory of the New Calvinist movement by stealth and deception (in my humble, but accurate, opinion).
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thank you, Arlo. Add that to my list of things I am blissfully ignorant of, or at least was blissfully ignorant.
The schism between MacArthur fanboys and Greear groupies is interesting to me. It would become even more interesting is one of the Tsar of Moscow (Idaho)’s derby sporting, single malt snifter holding, wannabe theocrats weighed in.
Burwell Stark(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Minor bit of trivia. Guess who was a deacon and Sunday school teacher at Eastminster from 2007 to 2009, and who still is apparently a member? Trump’s Secretary of State Mike Pompano. But then we can’t talk about politics here. Because there is a solid wall between between politics and religion and the political affiliations and connections of these abusers, sociopaths, etc. have nothing to do with how they act, what they feel they can get away with, etc. right? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Ras al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Todd helped me purchase the 9Marx Toolkit, which is their formula for making a church more biblical™. I think I will learn a great deal about how to create a church in the image of Mark Dever.”
Thank you Dee and Todd for going the extra mile in your commitment to research. Looking forward to the unpacking of the toolkit so that we lowly sheep can be better equipped to understand the system.
Christie24(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Good Lord! I bet Dee & Todd start disciplining some of us. We may even get shunned, excommunicated, or worse!
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Making a church more biblical,” sounds very virtuous and hey, who can argue with that. Unfortunately, these days, in the context of competition, it’s code for we know best so trust us and affiliate with us.
Ian Docker(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
We’ve been concerned about you and Jeff Chalmers for a long time. We are learning new methods in ways to make you a more biblical™ Max. This stuff will be glorious!!
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Burwell Stark,
I’m gonna have some fun looking at a Greear fiasco.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
A biblical™ Max be Max Biblical! To quote the movie Over the Hedge, “Prepare for a lot of stinging!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZbj8N6V9DI
Dee, Todd, does this somehow involve hopping on giant bouncy balls across parking lots? Or proto-pastor pyramids?
Todd and Dee, spill the tea!
Todd and Dee, spill the tea!
Grumpy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Have some mercy … please don’t subject me to 24/7 of Wayne Grudem tapes.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
It will be worse, Max. I have been “taught” by the best! LOL.
Todd Wilhelm(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Run, Jeff, run!! But, what can they really do to us? … we didn’t sign the membership agreement!
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The letter from Eastminster Presbyterian leadership to the congregation was very poor. It had no letterhead or information identifying themselves, and lacked a date. It also lacked any signature or name at the end of the letter. It seems to me it was intentionally vague.
So much for transparency.
For posterity, I saved the letter in The Wayback Machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250618123750/https://www.eastminster.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Letter-to-the-Congregation-06.14.25.pdf
Todd Wilhelm(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Intentionally vague to intentionally protect themselves legally?
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Imprisonment? Torture? Burned at the stake? Steal my dog? … or worse still, subject me to 24/7 commentaries from the ESV Study Bible?
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Bad Boys, Bad Boys,
Whatcha gonna do, Whatcha gonna do
So you don’t get sued,
So you don’t get sued,
Whatcha gonna do, Whatcha gonna do
So you don’t get sued,
So you don’t get sued…
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
You’d think the focus would be on godliness and becoming christlike. “Biblical” is stressed to compel people into blind obeisance.
Arlo(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Bound hand and foot and thrown into a river for your third baptism.
Arlo(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
They did that to the Anabaptists, you know 🙁
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
And all sorts of excuses are made for it.
Arlo(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Arlo,
Only thing the Pope, Luther, and Calvin could agree on was The Final Solution to the Anabaptist Problem.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Truth is Unkillable” (Balthasar Hubmaier)
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Force you to live off of Jim Bakker’s survival food until you consume the entire $4500 purchase.
Grumpy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
Agree, any NDA related to child abuse and the exploitation of children are akin to an unlawful cover up where justice and correct compensation for victims and society has not been served.
In my neck of the woods, certain denominations had the ungodly temerity to utilised intimidating law firms and NDAs to conceal and pay off the criminality of predators and those who in some instances enabled them to go from one town to the next to recommit their crimes.
Noticed also that some enablers where not really pastors or priest, but more denomination careerists.
Ian Docker(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Some near-enough emotionally blackmailed into “that calling” while younger, by their then elders who were themselves in turn, not convinced in their own minds. The only template they have, is that we all have to be messed around analogously for organisational reasons, as they were.
Eternal subordination of the sons / “We want your boys” anyhow / “It’s a sin” to resist being sucked into the system of the scorners Ps 1.
Sunk cost is expensive, but . . . At best, they need to retire from religion altogether (if they haven’t dug themselves and those smaller than themselves in too deep yet) and announce that they have become “atheistic agnostics”.
Michael in UK(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Hell is just as hot for those folks.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Scripture refers to that as “wickedness in high places” … demonic influence on movers & shakers in institutional hierarchy who protect the denomination’s reputation at all costs.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I have been giving some thought to the entire church/NDA situation and cannot think of a scenario in which a church would need an NDA.
Broadly speaking, what proprietary information does a church possess that would need this level of enforced confidentiality/protection? A church does not have trade secrets; in point of fact, most pastors who have found ways to grow their church are happy to sell their formula (in the form of books, conferences, etc.) to any who wish to buy it. Rather than hide their “success” they capitalize on it.
Thus, I am left with the only answer I can come up with: a church would utilize an NDA only to hide wrongdoing. A financial settlement is reached, there is no public – and likely no private – admission of guilt, and the aggrieved party is told to never speak of the matter again. This is antithetical to how Scripture says churches are to behave, and when NDAs are used to cover sin, leaders are violating the very ethics of the faith they claim to champion. No minister, no matter how “great” their influence, should hide behind an NDA for protection.
Luke 8:17 says, “For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.” This is just as true today as when Jesus said it during His earthly ministry.
Burwell Stark(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thanks for this comment. It’s excellent.
Todd Wilhelm(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thus, a Non-Disclosure Agreement provides protection for a church for only a season … anything hidden will be eventually disclosed – you can take it to the bank.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
As far as I know, an NDA is null and void if used to cover up a crime or criminal behavior.
Do we have any lawyers here (like An Attorney, Law Prof, or Judge Tim of old) who can confirm this?
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Which I understand would NOT be valid, legal, and/or enforceable. (See comment immediately above.)
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Not Jezebel Spirits in the pew-warmers,
Not Nephilim Spirits in your COVID/flu shot,
Not Witchraft Familiar Spirits in your D&D miniatures.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Headless Unicorn Guy,
I suspect that they would have been tickled pink back then if they could’ve sponsored a ‘final solution’ for the Jews too, centuries before the real one.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Amen.
Julie Shaw(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The possible etymology of the word Nephilim suggests no-one “more” scary than migrant upper classes from frost or fog shrouded countries, post Ice-Age. Ordinary people, whatever their social situation. Of course Genesis describes frictions.
Michael in UK(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)