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“Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.” ― Bernard Shaw
The serious problems with Biblical™ counseling.
I have been writing about my concerns with the “biblical” counseling movement for several years. Here are many of the posts I wrote on the problems of this quasi-licensed (they are not), poorly trained, and poorly supervised movement within the mostly hardcore Reformed churches, many of which like to say they are Reformedish. This movement focuses on sin and eschews confidentiality. In other words, they may report a person to their pastor due to a “sin” discovered in counseling. Do you think I’m exaggerating? I have the proof. In 2024, I wrote The Pain of Living With Bipolar Disease in a “Biblical Counseling” World, which provides a summary of other articles I have written.
TWW readers are well aware of my concerns regarding the biblical counseling movement. I am not a fan of ACBC (Association of Certified Biblical Counselors). On 12/23, I wrote Biblical Counseling Is Neither Professional nor Biblical. Let the Buyer Beware. I am including these posts for readers with questions about my concerns about this worrisome counseling method.
At the beginning of this post, Did Southwest Baptist University (Missouri) Deny Tenure to Behavioral Health Faculty In Order to Promote Unlicensed *Biblical Counseling?,* you can find links to several posts that I have written that express my profound dismay of the development of this counseling method usually found in the evangelical morass.
- Part 1: The Biblical Counseling Movement and Timberlake Baptist Church and Counseling Center
- What is the Difference Between Nouthetic and Biblical Counseling? Just the Spelling.
- Biblical Counseling Training: Inadequate Education, Problematic Resources and Questionably Educated Leaders
- Heath Lambert Channels Martin Luther (As If) and Writes the 95 Theses of Biblical Counseling
- Heath Lambert’s 95 Theses of Biblical Counseling Reminds Me of Bob’s Advice in Stranger Things 2: It’s All Easy Peasy.
- John Piper and Heath Lambert of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors Views of the Mind Demonstrate Why We Have a Problem With the Biblical Counseling Movement
- Biblical Counseling: Anyone Can Do It, Sin Is the Focus, Confidentiality Is Not Guaranteed and Women Should Beware
- Another Reason to Avoid Biblical Counseling: Confidentiality Is Not Guaranteed When Sin™ Is Involved
- Julie’s Story, Part 1: Of Domestic Abuse, Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, and Cross Walk Church, Appleton, WI
- Julie’s Story Part 2: Shame on ACBC and Cross Walk Pastors. They Failed Julie and Then Blamed Her For Not Reporting Child Abuse Sooner
- Association of Certified Biblical Counselors and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary: People With Delusions May Be Faking It and Christians With Schizophrenia Are Probably Not Christians!
Let me summarize what the reader will find if they have the time to read through these articles that attracted some attention from those outside the Biblical™ counseling movement. I use the trademark symbol with the word “Biblical” since those enmeshed in this world claim they are being faithful to the Bible, and those outside of the movement are not. It’s their made-up world. To claim that a talented and faithful Christian psychologist is not or may not be biblical is playing games with the Book. Yet, they are unashamed.
In my opinion:
- Any church member can quickly train to become a “competent” Biblical™counselor, far better than those licensed and educated counselors.
- The training is minimal, relying on resources that seem weak at best.
- The people who created the resources may also have received poor training. I have listed some of those in these posts.
- Quite a lot of the current thinking is based on the older, nouthetic counseling, which is sin-based and poorly regarded.
- ACBC (Association of Certified Biblical Counselors) is not in any way a “licensing” organization, but churches present it as if they are. This is deceptive.
- The counseling is sin-based, which they believe to be at the heart of any problem a person may have. I find this particularly problematic since everyone, including the counselor, is also a sinner.
- If a client has a severe psychiatric disorder, they may be told they are not Christians. If they have delusions, they may be told they are faking it. This is dangerous and un-Christian.
- If the person is diagnosed with sin, they may be reported to the pastor or other church leaders. There is no confidentiality promised.
If one might like to read a factual account of how John MacArthur’s Church, which believes in “Biblical” counseling and is a leader in the movement, read the following story of Eileen Gray, whose husband not only abused her but also sexually abused their children. She was told not to divorce her husband, and, before he was arrested, she was told to bring him back into the home. She was allegedly told to “suffer for Jesus.” When she did not do so, John MacArthur told the church to treat her as an unbeliever.
EXCLUSIVE: John MacArthur Shamed, Excommunicated Mother for Refusing to Take Back Child Abuser
I believe this was shameful behavior by John MacArthur and his boys.
The Gospel Coalition posts an article that supports Biblical™ counseling.
Does godly™ trump comprehensive training?
The Gospel Coalition posted Must My Christian Counselor Be Licensed? Why I Say No. If I read the post correctly, there are several reasons why they believe this is true. Here is one.
Are you more likely to receive good parenting advice from a licensed 26-year-old who isn’t yet a parent, or from a godly mother of six? I’d choose the latter. I bet you would too.
I was once a 22-year-old nurse who visited families who had been accused of abusing their children. I was trained in assessing the potential signs of that abuse as a licensed nurse. In this situation, I was more likely to determine what was happening in that home than that “godly mother of 6.” The author is comparing apples to oranges. In one instance, that mother of 6 might be able to help the young mother on issues such as organization or managing the ‘terrible twos.” In counseling, one is often confronted with issues of abuse, severe depression, overwhelming anxiety, and even mental illness. Was that “godly mom of 6” trained to assess all of those possibilities? I think not.
Is licensure evil or a “necessary evil?”
We live in a world of licensure. Here is one such list, which is not extensive.
By state laws, workers in certain fields must have a license. Licensing is intended to ensure that only competent and ethical individuals practice in an occupation. Examples of occupations licensed in many states include: teachers, land surveyors, doctors, lawyers, cosmetologists, nurses, building contractors, counselors, therapists, and electricians.
To obtain a license you must demonstrate that you meet state standards for that career. Steps include completing specified training, logging a designated amount of work experience, and taking a licensure exam. Most exams assess knowledge of work processes, codes, policies, standard practices, and more.
I would guess the TGC post’s writer would want a licensed accountant to review the church’s books to ensure their accuracy. I doubt he would turn it over to a group of church members who took a weekend training course and are now “competent to account.”
Dealing with the government and licensing agencies can be frustrating. Should the church pull a type of “Atlas Shrugged” and bug out, setting up a sham church-based “licensing group” to take over the reins? Christians in the world of obstetrics have successfully lobbied not to have doctors be forced to perform elective abortions. Christians have successfully lobbied in many areas of licensure. They are also successful in lobbying and working with the secular institutions in which they work.
As an aside, it made me smile that the author would consult a licensed doctor for his cancer instead of flying to Mexico to get the “mistletoe cure” instead of getting care here in the US, where licensed researchers ensure such care is safe.
Sin is the focus, so don’t forget it.
I believe that those who have gone through the “competent to counsel” route will focus on sin, often downplaying the need for medications and other successful treatments such as cognitive behavioral therapy. The author nods at the possible need for medication, but in my observation, the biblical™ counseling types frequently question the need for meds. Instead, it is all about sin, as emphasized here.
While psychiatric medication may be needed and certain self-actualization and emotional regulation practices can be helpful, they don’t go far enough.
Scripture tells us that our propensity toward selfishness isn’t (merely) because of educational deficiencies, childhood trauma, or toxic culture, but especially because of our sinful nature. Paul says, “Just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. . .” (Rom. 5:12). This means that to grow in spiritual and emotional health, we must deal with our sin and false beliefs.
Schizophrenics can’t be Christians, and those who suffer delusions are “faking it—two reasons why this crowd is dangerous.
Please refer to this startling post I wrote, Association of Certified Biblical Counselors and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary: People With Delusions May Be Faking It and Christians With Schizophrenia Are Probably Not Christians! In this post, you will learn that the ACBC misrepresents the medical field to promote their bizarre take on delusions and schizophrenia.
FYI: Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is the biblical™ counseling mothership.
Final Thoughts:
- ACBC’s untrained counselors in churches should be able to figure out when something is physiological in origin and consult physicians. I say they can’t. They don’t have the training.
- ACBC, and by extension, SBTS make claims about the beliefs of psychiatrists/psychologists which are easily refuted if one believes that the NIH knows more than ACBC.
- The leaders in ACBC/SBTS have no medical training. They are biblicists.
- According to ACBC/SBTS, delusions and madness are often faked. The Bible tells us so.
- According to ACBC/SBTS, most schizophrenics are not Christians. In my opinion, people with mental illness should never receive counseling from ACBC or anyone who graduated from SBTS in the counseling program.
- Do the leaders in the SBC know what SBTS and ACBC are saying and doing?
- is the SBC prepared to announce that anyone with schizophrenia is probably not a Christian?
Let me leave you with a thought submitted by a clinical psychologist (Ph.D.) who is involved in medication trials.
While our current science quite honesty leaves much for our continued research as to the etiology and most effective treatment for many/most of these disorders, the reduction to “sin” is objectionable on numerous grounds. iIhave often wondered (and occasionally expressed) as to the frequency of medication use by these same pastors for disorders like hypertension, type 2 diabetes, weight loss and the like (valid medical conditions with effective treatments) when “sinful” choices related to eating, exercise, and the like may have in fact caused or contributed to those conditions as well. This kind of hypocrisy is all to rampant in the church, as you have documented for years. Psychiatric disorders are complex, multifactorial, and usually impossible to explain easily.
I laughed so hard, coffee got all over my screen.
The author’s thoughts on godly counselors refer the reader to the groups most likely unlicensed and sin-focused. (Remember: ACBC licensure is not recognized outside of some limited Reformed church groups.)
You see, only the “Biblical” counselors are Scripture-based—the wonderful people in the Division of Psychiatry at Duke, like Warren Kinghorn, are not.
Faithful counselors come from more than one corner of the Christian counseling world. When browsing a Christian counselor’s website, look for statements that explain her understanding of Scripture’s authority as well as her views on gender and sexuality, a factor that often reveals the foundation of a counselor’s approach. You might also look to reputable biblical counseling organizations like the Christian Counseling and Educational Foundation or the Biblical Counseling Coalition, which have resources to help you find a counselor.
Seek out Christian counselors committed to being clinically informed, but avoid those who merely tack their Christianity onto a secular psychological approach. Such counselors may say they’re willing to offer a Christian perspective if their clients wish them to do so. This approach doesn’t operate from a coherent biblical perspective that relies on Scripture.
Final thoughts
The author appears poorly educated about the subject matter, and it shows. I am being harsh for a reason. This philosophy floats amongst the boys in the Reformed clique, who eagerly take up the banner, never thinking of those who can be and have been damaged by this approach. I have talked to those like Eileen Gray who have been hurt at John MacArthur and John Piper’s ministries and at churches around the country, who think that Betty Lou and Billy Ray can counsel because they’ve read a few books and attended a few church classes. T
But they believe they should send an abused women with abused children back home to an abusive husband and think, “Problem solved.” How sad is that?
“A little learning is a dangerous thing.” (Alexander Pope)
Even more dangerous to think you’re competent to give advice to other people on their mental or even other life problems after 3 or 4 weekend courses.
Gus(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Ah Mr Beeson, author of the Beehive blog, where his latest post (David’s Worst Sin) starts with this nonsense –
“ There’s no doubt that David’s double sin against Bathsheba and Uriah is heinous. Following David’s sin, his family begins to implode. David’s son Amnon rapes his daughter, Tamar, Absalom murders Amnon in response and then attempts to overthrow his father and is ultimately killed. David’s sin was a direct violation of two of the most sacred moral laws: adultery and murder, and his family or reign would never be the same.
But is it possible that as heinous as this sin was, it wasn’t his worst sin? I think so. It appears as though God views David taking the census (1 Chron 21, 2 Sam 24) as more egregious. (God doesn’t, actually, but Mr Beeson does)
I wouldn’t waste a pinch of salt on him.
Lowlandseer(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I would flip the title of the TGC article around – “Must My Licensed Counselor Be Christian? Why I Say No.”
Danny(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Are you more likely to receive good parenting advice from a licensed 26-year-old who isn’t yet a parent, or from a godly mother of six? I’d choose the latter. I bet you would too.”
I mentioned in an earlier comment that I worked as a peer counselor. I was not a psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, or social worker.
What I did have was life experiences as a member of the group we were serving.
My job was to bridge that gap. I listened. I built trust and rapport… But, then, after the rapport had been built, I encouraged our clients to engage with one or more of the professionals listed above.
Twenty-some years later, I am still running ‘groups’ as a volunteer. They are much like AA meetings. We listen, we share, we support each other, sometimes we fight, and we drink bad coffee. But as importantly, I am a resource to help overwhelmed people find the professional resources, in an often complex bureaucracy, to help them live healthy, happy, and productive lives.
In my mind, there is an important place for both peers and professionals; the challenge is to have the wisdom (and ability to keep one’s ego in check) to figure out which is more helpful in different situations.
davewis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The trademarked “Biblical counsel” is tommy rot. Agreed. But the real deal Biblical counselling has been a godsend to family members of mine ALONGSIDE mental health care.
One of my kids is bipolar. Needs a good counsellor to deal with abuse encountered from the birth parents. And alongside has benefitted tremendously from Biblical counsellors recommended by the regular mental health folks.
That sort of Biblical counsel is not necessarily sin focused, although it sure would call out say a Josh Duggar and help him deal with his spiritual problem even as the mental health folks helped him deal with his mental problem.
No need to make it either or. Both/and sometimes is best.
linda(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
In my pastoral training, the most pertinent instruction I received was from a professor who said “You are a pastor, not a counselor. Get your congregants professional help, and make sure that professional is competent, because not all of them are.”
apocalipstick(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“… “biblical” counseling movement … within the mostly hardcore Reformed churches …”
Nouthetic counseling is just another avenue for the New Calvinists to control the spiritual daylights out of you! It fits nicely within the 9Marks disciplinary framework to manipulate, intimidate, and dominate the pew.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Then there is one of Dilbert’s Laws: “There is nothing more dangerous than a resourceful idiot.”
Ras al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
As my writing partner (the burned-out country preacher) described it:
“Biblical Counseling: Place their head on your desk, grab the biggest heaviest Bible you have, and BEAT them with it until the cry UNCLE!”
And in turn fix in their head permanently that God and Christ are Cosmic-level Abusers.
As a 3000-year-old collection of Jewish Wisdom Literature described what’s now called The Dunning-Kruger Effect: “A fool is Wise in his own eyes.”
Because CHRISTIANS(TM) have shown by example that they cannot be trusted with anything so vital.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Ah, when you become So SPIRITUAL you no longer have any need for a physical brain.
“SPIRITUAL GOOD! PHYSICAL BAAAAAAD! SPIRITUAL GOOD! PHYSICAL BAAAAAAAD!”
And that last one – What would God ever do on J-Day without such Discerning CHRISTIANS (who alone KNOW What’s REALLY Going On) sitting at His left and right hands whispering in His ear like Grima Wormtongue, telling Him who’s REALLY Saved and who’s NOT.
(Many years ago, one of these blogs acquired a commenter whose Spritual Gift(TM) was just that; the guy’s Ministry(TM) was crashing funerals to preach Where the guy in the box was REALLY spending Eternity.0
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
But who needs Wisdom when “I Have The Holy Spirit(TM)!”?
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Headless Unicorn Guy,
In many cases it really does come down to that: SPIRITUAL GOOD, PHYSICAL BAD… saw it growing up in my fundamentalist school/church..
Which, ironically is really just “Platonic”… which of course, they would deny, or even more troubling, not even know what you are saying…. sigh..
Jeffrey J Chalmers(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
davewis,
Dwl- you sound like my kind of counselor.ss
senecagriggs(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Jay Adams and “Nouthetic Counseling” have left the chat friends.
Please update your memory bank if you think it’s still being followed; because it isn’t.
And that’s a very good thing.
senecagriggs(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The challenge for thoughtful pastors has always been who to refer people to?
A stand-alone “Bibical counsellor” is not at the top of their list.
Ian Docker(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Ian Docker,
Apologies -‘Biblical’
Ian Docker(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Do you really think it’s not being followed? Well, that doesn’t surprise me, given your comments over the last decade or so. They had to eliminate the nouthetic word, so they put lipstick on a pig. When there are comments like “Schizophrenics aren’t Christian” or “Delusions are faked,” then it is Nouthetic 2.0 with a pretend layer of “empathy” thrown in. The leaders of this movement should be ashamed. But they aren’t educated either. Look at the baloney in the ACBC curriculum. I have done so.
I used to think you were a counselor. You recently disabused me of that notion. I now understand that you aren’t trained, so your lack of understanding of my arguments is understandable. They can sure fool a bunch of people a whole mess of times.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
ChEKA becomes OGPU which becomes NKVD which becomes KGB which becomes FSB…
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dee,
What is interesting is that f-MRI, PET, and other scans have indicated physical differences in the brain of people with schizophrenia. The problem is that these so-called “Christians” are perfectly OK to view their diabetes, atherosclerosis, high blood pressure as medical conditions and use trained medical professionals but somehow think mental health issues are purely “spiritual” or require solely “Biblical” treatments and care. At least the JWs and Christian Scientists are consistent in regards to medical AND mental care AFAIK.
So who really is schizophrenic in this case?
Ras al Ghul(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thank you.
To be clear, what I did through college and later as a volunteer is ‘peer counseling’. I was never accredited as anything more.
I mostly buy people a coffee (sometimes a meal), listen to their stories, and share mine. If the situation warrants, maybe I’ll say something like, “You might get along well with Dr. Larson at the Riverside clinic. He is part of the VA community care program, so the VA will cover the bill. Here is his number. If it is ok, I’ll give him a call so he will be expecting to hear from you.”
davewis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
the word ‘Biblical’ is one of the most misused and abused words in the American lexicon.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
senecagriggs,
ACBC certification classes are offered at the SBC’s Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary as well as Southern Baptist Theological Seminary……. selections from the list of required reading include books by David Powlison, John MacArthur, Paul David Tripp, and….. JAY ADAMS.
Same ole thing; just a new name.
Nancy2(aka Kevlar)(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Headless Unicorn Guy,
I kind of think pigs look cute with lipstick….
Jeffrey J Chalmers(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Truly sorry about your fall.
“I used to think you were a counselor. You recently disabused me of that notion. I now understand that you aren’t trained, so your lack of understanding of my arguments is understandable. They can sure fool a bunch of people a whole mess of times.”
Maybe you shouldn’t be authoring a “discernment” blog – smile
senecagriggs(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
The New Calvinists are now in firm control of all SBC entities (seminaries, publishing house, mission agencies, church planting program, thousands of churches). Mohler got the nouthetic counseling ball rolling within SBC when he purged SBTS of ‘real’ counseling professors.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Thank you for your post! About six weeks ago I looked into getting ACBC certification and it was a disappointing surprise, to say the least. To earn the certification you must attest to you will share the gospel with every counselee, and you may not utilize any secular psychological methods, therapies, treatment s, etc. I’m a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Illinois and thought the certification would look good on my resume. Therapy sessions are about building a trusting therapeutic relationship with the counselee. And then to “hit someone over the head” with the good news of Jesus Christ during that relationship because I have to is not something I will sign off on. Also in researching Jay Adams I discovered he incorporated much of O. Herbert Mowrer’s behavior-based ideas into counseling; Mower was an atheist and ended up committing suicide after his wife died. I believe his incorporation of Mowrer’s ideas is an affront to ACBC’s certification requirements. Also it seems this movement discards much known medical truth and psychological truth, and that’s downright scary. The Bible is a group of 66 books about restoring people to God through His Son, Jesus Christ. It is not a marriage manual, a parenting manual, an all things relational manual, etc. It contains foundations for these of course, but to say it is all-inclusive of every human mental health condition, well, it is just not so. If there are any other Christian mental health professionals out there who can add to this constructively that would be great.
Jolene Curtis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
What made you think this was a “discernment blog?” I’m merely a nonjournalist looking at things and expressing my thoughts, and I’m quite surprised that people find my thoughts useful.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Well said. Sums it up pretty good.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Doesn’t take much discernment to know where some folks are coming from in their comments. You’ve touched their idols and they don’t like it.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Jolene Curtis,
Thank you for your comment. A few years back I realized that few people actually look at the materials used in the “training.” I did. I even critiqued one of the books written by an author who has a questionable education.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
Am I being discerning? 😉
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Much of “discernment” is simple observation.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I have never commented here before but have been a longtime reader. The aftermath of my biblical counseling messed me up for many years. The counselor shamed me, isolated me, and dropped me as soon as she “discovered” my “sin” that she claimed I was hiding-when in reality I was a confused person who didn’t understand myself and was struggling. I have no idea if the counselor told my pastor about me, but there was no confidentiality agreement that either of us signed.
There was no compassion for me, and I tell anyone who mentions going to biblical counseling to go to an actual licensed therapist instead. It is still a deep wound for me that I don’t wish on anyone.
G(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Throw a rock into a pack of junkyard dogs and the one that YELP!s is the one who got hit.”
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I think it is worth differentiating between the biblical counseling that Dee describes above (‘licensed’ by ACBC, etc.) – under which I too have received bad advice in the name of counseling – and pastoral counseling. I believe that pastoral counseling, done well, can complement, but never supplant nor replace, good mental health counseling. Too bad it is rare to find these days.
Burwell Stark(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
G,
I am so sorry for what you endured. If you would ever like to talk about it, please let me know. I will keep speaking out about this wretched form of counseling which has harmed many people.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
That is the single best piece of advice. I’m sorry for what you endured in the name of counseling.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Only RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Compassion and RIGHTEOUSNESS cannot exist together.
And it’s Over the Berlin Wall:
https://thewartburgwatch.com/2025/03/31/women-are-outpacing-men-in-the-race-to-stop-attending-church/
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I don’t see any screaming finger-pointing at the WITCHES and DEMONS in every closet and under every bed.
I don’t see any in-your-face “So-and-So Is Burning In Eternal HELL!” or other “Him Goat! Him Goat! Him Goat!’
I don’t see any other Speshul Sekrit Spiritual Knowledge.
Only something for which there is no name among the CHRISTIANS — attempts to discern the Reality beneath the Surface Appearance, what really lies beneath all the Angel of Light masks.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
That’s because a real-deal genuine “pastor” is a rare and endangered species in the American church these days. Oh, you will find plenty of seminary-trained theologically-correct dudebros, but few called-forth anointed servants of God filling that sacred office. The vast multitude should not be followed to the golf course, let alone following their counsel!
Just like you should never call “pastor” in the case of church sexual abuse (call 911!), you should never call “pastor” to address mental health issues (call a licensed mental health professional). Your Pastor (if the real-deal) is there to love you, pray for you, and help you through that process (to complement your care as you note), but should never be relied upon solely to address mental health emergencies.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
dee,
Dee, please continue to post on this subject! WW was one of the sources of information for my research into getting certified as an ACBC! I am sorry for those hurt by this “subset” of counseling as posted in this thread. I could go on and on. Praying for you in the coming months, and I wish you God’s peace.
Jolene Curtis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“ACBC (Association of Certified Biblical Counselors) is not in any way a “licensing” organization, but churches present it as if they are. This is deceptive.”
From the ACBC website:
Cost: Approximately $1500 total (pay as you go)
Phase 1: Fundamentals Training Course, books, and observations – $600 (varies)
Phase 2: Exams and Evaluations – $100
Phase 3: Supervision – up to $800
Membership – $115 annually
Only $1500 for ACBC certification! … compared to tens of thousands of dollars to become a licensed mental health therapist, following appropriate counseling and psychology college educational degrees obtained over several years of study/training, plus rigorous state and national licensing exams and fees.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Max,
But, professional metal health training is all “secular humanist” based… so it is meaningless… I have heard fundamentalist actually say such things… and good old John MacArthur either has, or come real close to…
Unfortunately, no respect for professionals seems to going main line in the good old USA..
Jeffrey Chalmers(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Well, here’s the bottom-line for JMac and the ACBC folks … mental illness is real and the Bible doesn’t say much about it.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
NICE. RACKET.
Do they require payment in Crypto?
And shows that Christians still think small.
Like Bilionaires — Both Musk & Bezos are worth 300 Billion (duking it out over who has more), and the best Christians can manage (Kenneth Copeland, World’s Richest Televangelist) is only 800 million, only thee private jets, and no 40,000 sq ft Luxury Doomsday Bunker in New Zealand.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)