“We can ignore even pleasure. But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
― The Problem of Pain
Warning: There will be some graphic descriptions of abuse in this post.
Also, update on 11/13/24 on Kerri’s story. Some minor corrections were made.
This is a story that must be told. These brave women and their friends have suffered for decades due to the response of people within the church and community where these events took place. I also believe the women should file a police report, and I will assist them. How naive and cruel the church was in the 1980s and 1990s. Most cases of sexual abuse in the church were covered up, supposedly to “protect the church.” Even today, Pastor John MacArthur, responding to the scandal of Steve Lawson, as quoted on The Roys Report:
On Oct. 20, John MacArthur discussed the Lawson scandal in a Q & A session at GCC. The 85-year-old pastor said he believed God was purifying His church by exposing Lawson but did not mention the TMUS graduate Lawson was involved with.
He also called on GCC (ed. note Grace Community Church) to band together in the crisis.
“We’ve got to circle the wagons . . .” MacArthur said. “Because when we’re exposed like that, all the enemies are going to come at us with a vengeance. And if they can pit us against each other, they can do some real damage.”
It is time to change that paradigm. The church must support the victims who, in this case, are victims of Pastor Joe Campbell. I have some ideas on this count that I will specifically discuss in coming posts.
Faith continues for these former members of the Eastland Assembly of God.
Most of these victims have stated that they still have faith in Jesus. They are deeply disappointed by the people in the church. I understand since this has been my own emotional and spiritual experience.
Understanding pedophilia (and all paraphilias): Most reoffend…
I am shocked that anyone in the church would blow off pedophilia as just another sin. It is a profound psychiatric disorder that rarely, if ever, is fully resolved. God may forgive a genuinely repentant pedophile, but that pedophile will deal with their disorder for the rest of their life. Sadly, most pedophiles will reoffend. The church must wake up and realize that pedophiles will target their churches. There are children present. Members are told to obey their pastors. And the truly gifted pedophile will be a beloved pastor and apt teacher.
It is not normal for an adult man to pursue sexual relationships and sexual innuendoes with children and teens. Pedophilia (the sexual interest in children) is just one of a group of paraphilias. For example, some pedophiles go after prepubescent children, while others target 14-year-old boys, like my former SBC church. The National Institutes of Health has done work in this area. Here is something I wrote recently featuring their work.
Here is something I wrote about 3 people in the news with probable paraphilias.
What is a paraphilia? Isn’t it just another sin?
I have used this blog to expose pedophiles in the broader Protestant church. However, my goal in writing has little to do with exposing “one more pedophile.” There always seems to be more than one more pedophile. I have hoped that the reader will understand the complicated topic of paraphilias. Comprehending the difficulties inherent in such behavior is essential to protecting you and your family.
Here is a link at the National Institutes of Health: Paraphilia by Kristy A. Fisher and Raman Marwaha that explains this.
Paraphilias are persistent and recurrent sexual interests, urges, fantasies, or behaviors of marked intensity involving objects, activities, or even situations that are atypical in nature. Although not innately pathological, a paraphilic disorder can evolve if paraphilia invokes harm, distress, or functional impairment on the lives of the affected individual or others.
…The DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for paraphilia states explicitly that the patient must have experienced intense and recurrent sexual arousal from deviant fantasies for at least six months and must have acted on these impulses. A paraphilia becomes a pathology, or a paraphilic disorder, only when this behavior causes significant distress and impairment of functioning to the individual or if the paraphilia involves personal harm or risk of harm to others
…However, due to the patient’s reluctance to seek treatment or the legal obligation to obtain treatment, psychiatrists are often forced to exceed the call of duty to the patient to reduce distress but rather focus efforts on protection against potential victimization.
Those with paraphilia are often reluctant to seek treatment. Even when they do, the counselor must focus on preventing harm to another victim.
Read the section called Prognosis. It appears that those with paraphilias are likely to reoffend.
Despite the psychological and pharmacological interventions designed to manage paraphilias and paraphilic disorders; an ultimate treatment or change has yet to be established. Existing interventions merely allow for increased voluntary control through self-management skills over sexual arousal and reduction in sexual drive, with the best-yielded prognosis only from those individuals who are actually motivated to change.[2] Those who do participate in either therapy alone or, ideally, the combined management of psychological and medicinal intervention show improvement with a marked reduction in the intensity and frequency of deviant sexual arousal and resultant behaviors.[18] However, the literature suggests that most sexual offenders are likely to re-offend.[2]
Sexual harm to kids is seen in many forms, as these three women will recount. I believe their stories.
Sarah’s story: Exposure to pornography via the Campbells at a young age has led to lifelong difficulties.
Sarah’s exposure to pornography was known to others. It is alleged (and I believe them) that Becky Campbell would put on pornographic videos during church lock-ins and trips. Kim (whose story follows) will verify that her brother would often view pornography at various events.
Sarah was never physically abused by Joe Campbell but experienced emotional trauma directly caused by viewing such explicit and “violent” images at a young age. Sarah attended a lock-in at Joe’s home. Sarah had been slow to talk as a young child and still found communicating challenging. When she was 8 years old, she saw what she described as violent pornography, which depicted a woman being held down as men harmed her.
She told me she “told Joe that there was bad stuff on TV,” but Joe ignored her. She said she didn’t have the vocabulary to say what she saw. This behavior continued until Joe left the church. She states that Becky often was the one to put the porn onto the TV.
Joe often discussed demons and demon possession. He would say how he had gotten rid of a demon in some kids. Sarah believes that this was done to terrorize the children. If so, it was effective. She said she learned to keep these secrets, but it came with a cost. She didn’t speak out in school until she was 12 years old. She thought she would be in trouble if she said anything. She said she was spanked if she cried, so she plastered a smile on her face to hide what was inside. She wouldn’t sleep with the lights out throughout her growing-up years.
Joe came back to attend the graduation of some former students. He quietly approached her and said, “You have the body of a beautiful woman.” He asked if she could visit him in Missouri, where he was pastoring at the Versailles Assembly of God church, but she had an out. She had joined the cheerleading team, and there was mandatory summer practice.
She eventually told her parents when she was 18. They said she shouldn’t worry about it because she wasn’t molested. She has spent lots of money in counseling, which she says is due to the horror of being exposed to violent pornography at a young age.
I think what she told me next was crucial.
“We were told to never say “No” to adults ” and to do what they told her to do. She was so scared by what she saw that he didn’t say anything to her parents. So, she continued to go on church trips and attend lockins
Kim’s story: Joe arranged for her to come from Eastland AO in Oklahoma to his new church in Versailles AG in Missouri. I wonder if that is bringing her over state lines.
Kim grew up in the Eastland AOG. Her brother would attend the lock-ins and told her that he would see pornography at those events. She also said that Becky was the one who put pornography on the TV. Joe would say, “Who did this?” apparently pretending he didn’t know.
Kim often helped in the puppet ministry that Joe started. After he moved to his new church in Versailles, he called and asked if she could come to Versailles to help with Vacation Bible School. She had a very good relationship with her parents, who let her go. She said that Joe began grooming her on the car ride. He had her sit in the front seat. He mentioned a special needs girl to her and said, “I wonder if she has had sex.” He also wondered if she was “clean down there.” Kim found that gross.
These talks continued in his office. Once, the door was closed, and the church secretary banged it open and looked in. Kim wondered if she knew what Joe did when the door was closed. When Kim was shooting hoops in the gym, wearing her jams,” another member of the church threw her over his shoulder, and Joe spanked her hard on her butt.
The following incident caused Kim to call her parents to get her out of there. She was sitting on a couch, about to eat a peppermint candy in her hand. Joe came over to the sofa and started playing with her hair. He then began to rub up and down her thighs. Then he put his hands under her bra and then under her panties. As she was shaking, he digitally penetrated her. She was still clutching her candy. She jumped up, called her parents, and said she wanted to come home. She said that at the moment, she was “totally losing it.”
Joe spoke to her parents and told them she was “homesick.” When he brought her to the car, he chided her for “causing trouble.” He claimed they had been her “hosts,” and now he needed to spend money to fly her home. He appeared very angry with her.
Here are some points she made.
- By this time, Joe had been told to leave Eastland. I will explain that in a future post. She wondered why no one had told her not to go to Versailles.
- She said, “He’s a professional” regarding grooming.
- She said he also spoke to the parents during VBS on the subject of the prevalence of sexual abuse.” He sounded so concerned, and the people present were moved. She said it was a powerful sermon. Was this a way to conceal his activities?
Kerri’s story: Joe sexually penetrated her. She cried, “It hurt. You’re too big.”
In the summer between 4th and 5th grade, Joe talked to Kerri in the car on the way to a church campground. His questions made her feel uncomfortable because they were “embarrassing.” They were questions she was never asked before and hardly understand, later understanding that Joe was “grooming her”. Soon after, he made his first physical move. Kerri was at the church helping to prepare for an event. Joe asked her to go with him to his house to get something. When they got there, he tried to touch her intimately. She ran into the hall closet, and he came in after her. He said he had kissed other girls in church to make her feel more at ease. This became a regular occurrence with Kerri. Joe molested her at the church, in the car, and at his home. This went on for approximately 3 years.
His molestation included exploring with his tongue and fingers and, finally, full penetration. The rape occurred during a lock-in at his home in his garage. While other girls were locked outside of the garage, they were under the impression that Joe and Kerri were working on a haunted house.
Kerri described that she kept saying,
“You’re too big, it hurts so bad, I’m too small.”
He responded by passing her a washcloth and sending her to the bathroom. He told her to clean herself off and said, “There was stuff there that shouldn’t be there.”
The head pastor, JW Ellsworth, apparently told Joe to leave the church years earlier, knowing of his previous reported transgressions. Inexplicably, within a couple of years, he brought Joe back to the church to begin the cycle again. Kerri was a part of the 2nd round. When she tried to report it to the youth minister, Bill Snyder, he made her feel like she was not telling the truth and shamed her. After Ellsworth and Snyder left the church. Kerri’s friend DeWana exposed the story, and Pastor Dave Torgerson and Larry Kloefkorn believed her story.
Kerri’s awful trial by the AG: What did his penis look like?
(I misspelled Kerri’s name in my first post as Carrie. I have corrected this.)
Kerri went to the AOG in Springfield to testify about what happened. Approximately 30 men were sitting around a U-shaped table. Joe and Becky Campbell, along with Becky’s father, were present. The AOG ministers from the district that were at the table questioning Kerri basically called her a liar because she was unable to describe his penis or his naked body.
I will be communicating with the AOG once I write the final story. This experience, along with others in the church community who blamed her for hurting Joe, caused her to contemplate suicide at the age of 16 and again in her 30s.
Finally
I have presented three more stories of sexual abuse by Joe and Becky Campbell. It is disturbing that he is not only a pastor, but I am told he runs a camp to help women and children. Oddly, the Facebook page is not available at the moment. I will be looking into this.
I will write one more post on Joe Campbell’s abuse victims. I will contact all the involved churches, the AOG mothership, Jim Bakker ministries, and Joe Campbell. I will take you along as I make calls and keep you posted as we explore what is happening. I hope to help the women make police reports and push to see if anything can be done. As you may know, Robert Morris is now being criminally investigated. Perhaps some of the same rules will apply to the women in Oklahoma.
There is much to be done in this instance. Please keep the women in your prayers. I believe there may be many more victims out there.
Incomprensible!
I don’t mean to drift into politics here, but how can Christians who are very conservative about sexual matters be so willfully blind about the heinous sin of sexually abusing children?
Patricia Hanlon(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Idolatry of a leader. Idol worship of a leader as an idol.
In Father Mike Schmitz’ Bible in a Year podcast about Exodus 32 (The Golden Calf), he says that the human heart is an idol worshipping factory or machine.
Replacing God with a church leader is a danger of church engagement. Israel had their kings, a mixed bag at best. Churches have their pastors.
Faith Fellowship and Filtering would be a safe approach to church.
Ava Aaronson(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
@ dee:
Even though the accounts (above) are true (and I believe you), it still beggars belief that there are ‘churches’ in which this happens.
Muff Potter(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I believe if we could uncover the entirety of the history of the Campbell’s we would find that they are part of the csam industry. And, that they are buyers, sellers, and producers of child pornography. Becky isn’t just a stupid, “stand by your man” wife. She’s a groomer accomplice and she deserves the deepest level of hell, alongside her husband. I bet if we could talk to the Campbell’s biological children we would find that they were victimized their entire lives, if they even realize they were victims. Hopefully, there are no grandchildren that this demon team has access to. May God deal with the Campbell’s here on earth so that their victims can see a little justice this side of heaven. Dee, I believe you’ve just scratched the tip of the iceberg with this story.
EW66(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Patricia Hanlon,
This is a great point….. I have reflected on this for years..
Jeffrey Chalmers(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Putting the quote “churches” is correct. I wonder what they are.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“We’ve got to circle the wagons . . .” MacArthur said. “Because when we’re exposed like that, all the enemies are going to come at us with a vengeance. And if they can pit us against each other, they can do some real damage.”
To me, this says it all….
Jeffrey J Chalmers(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Remember all the WITCHES and SATANISTS in every closet, under every bed, and after YOUR Childrren…
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
It appears that Joe and Becky run Lori’s House, where they live with and have access to lots of vulnerable girls and young women. You can find them talking about it on Jim Baker’s show archives. Talk about wolves in sheep’s clothing! This is truly disturbing.
https://lorishouse.org/
Susan G(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
You can see Pastor Joe being called the “House Dad” of Lori’s House in this interview. Start at 14:30. Texbook grooming. This is a few years old.
https://jbsvod.sardius.live/watch/assets/3646
Susan G(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Most of these victims have stated that they still have faith in Jesus. They are deeply disappointed by the people in the church. I understand since this has been my own emotional and spiritual experience.“
Let’s forgive them and embrace them even if they lose faith in Jesus.
Your own experience is not the only honorable path.
Jesus is supposed to have a plan for our lives, and care for innocent children, and send the Spirit.
Sorry, I am unwilling to put a positive spin on this.
I survived an abusive religious childhood, although I was not physically abused.
I lost any faith in Jesus early on, and have remained grateful for that all my life.
Now as an adult, I have rediscovered Jesus as a spiritual presence—a radically different one than I was taught.
The Jesus we know from Church, including the Bible, is through a glass, darkly.
Sandy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)
You don’t find worship like that in every church. Sometimes, you have to dig your own spiritual well.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Be careful who you protect in the circle. It’s not necessarily enemies of the church who come against them. Sometimes, there is an enemy in the camp posing as a friend who needs to be exposed to protect the greater Body of Christ.
Max(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Dee,
You wrote in your OP:
That….which includes my keeping the women in my prayers.
I’m intentionally omitting writing anything else in my comment as what I’d write would be WAY too expletive-deleted.
researcher(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
researcher,
Unfortunately, many of use have to “watch what we write”…. ie.. many of are very upset by the depravity read about in TWW
Jeffrey Chalmerd(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Hey there, mama, did you carry that load
Did you tell your baby ’bout the bend in the road
‘Bout the rebel yell, ’bout the one that fell
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well
Sandy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
It is typical, not unusual, for victims of sexual assault to remember some details but not others. That includes adult victims, let alone teenagers.
Kerri, I am sickened by what the AOG put you through when you testified. They put you on trial instead of their buddy. It was spiritual and psychological assault, committed by a gang of men. Enraging.
It is a testament to your strength that you could go through that and be here again, speaking truth. I am so sorry for what you were put through by the perpetrators and by their fellow gang-members, who circled the wagons. May God continue to heal you and may you experience justice.
Eyewitness(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Concentrating the Prey under his control.
Just like JMac of Chicago and his private canned-hunt deer herd.
Puppet Ministry — appeal to Children? Lure to attract Prey?
“Versaiiles”…
I remember the other Versailles, outside Paris.
Where the Sun King would take mistress after mistress as Privilege of Royal Rank.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
God bless you for your work on their behalf. You will receive a great reward in heaven.
Bob M(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
That was Becky’s part in all of this?
Procurement?
Indulgence of hubby’s sexual proclivities(TM)?
Or just Camille Cosby Syndrome, where the prestige and clout of being Wife of a CELEBRITY outweighs all else?
Kerri’s awful trial by the AOG: What did his penis look like?
Sounds like they had a second motive:
Trolling for JUICY content.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
With their perverse imaginations fueled by a certain ’80’s movie.
Grumpy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
EW66,
If you are correct in your assumption, the schmeckle freckle should make things much easier for the prosecution.
Overcomer(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Susan G,
Thanks for sending the link. I watched it.
DeWana Long(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Assuming Pastor Joe hasn’t had it removed from his Holy Rod.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Which “80s movie”?
Lolita was mid-to-late 60s and Deep Throat early 70s.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
I was thinking Porky’s. There is a recurring joke (that IMO is not really funny) about identifying someone’s something by a freckle. In the movie, the whole idea of a trial to identify the offending freckle is so ridiculous that it is laughed out of the school. And yet here we have it show up as serious in real life in an AOG trial. It’s like they got the idea from the movie or something.
Grumpy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Grumpy,
Are these the people quoted as telling us to have a nice day when _ is shoved in our faces again (like all the megaphoning moralisers)? One would almost think it was cynical.
Michael in UK(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
PORKY’S?
THE KING OF EIGHTIES SLOB COMEDIES?
Are you talking the original Porky’s (1981), Porky’s II: The Next Day (1983), Porky’s III: Porky’s Revenge (1985), or all the above?
The parallel looks too close to be completely unrelated. And according to Wikipedia’s plot synopsis at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porky%27s , the story line, characters, and motivations DO sound like something out of the churches who got famous on this blog and others. All that’s missing is the Pious Christanese coat of paint.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
And there’s ANOTHER Porky’s Sequel:
Porky’s Pimpin’ Pee Wee (2009), an ultra-low-budget “ashcan” to retain/extend the copyright.
(Didn’t list this one above because I KNEW it would trigger Moderation.)
Just think of that title.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Just the original Porky’s (1981). Slob Comedies is a great way to put it; I had zero interest in the sequels. Fool me once…
Karri, hope it’s OK that we are exploring if they got that crazy idea from a movie that no AOG minister had any business watching.
Grumpy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
We have a saying over here: I am not picking up what you are laying down. To put it a different way, I am not understanding your question. Can you kindly restate it?
Grumpy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Grumpy,
Media grabbing, moralising big religious leaders in the 1980s claimed to save politics (including their own influence and income streams) by showcasing private sexual matters more than was appropriate (according to St Paul, one should accord these proportionate delicacy and discreetness). The same religious leaders largely stopped teaching us how to pray. Honest people urged them and their present day followers not to try to “influence” the way the “influencers” do. God sees under the surface; by not being like God they have lost too much of the plot.
My ex-religion teacher had promoted school “civics” lessons more or less promoting the targetting by boys, of girls, “for” sexual intercourse on official behalf (instead of leaving it to us and our families). No doubt the history of this question is different from one country to another and one district to another.
So sometimes it’s up to eyewitnesses like you and me to recall and tell it the way it is in a better balance. No-one gets it perfect, but sometimes imbalance is very off kilter. I’m sure even in the States, “have a nice day” comes over a little bit the way it does over here, given the context (the “new reformed” are far better at context than they make out). As for the letter _ that represented the subject of most of the previous many comments (and sometimes spelled schm-) as star exhibit in all the “teaching”. Cynical as synonym for equivocating. Hoping I’ve parsed well enough!
Michael in UK(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
This IS the sequel.
It’s just a new way of extending the franchise.
If it works, pretty soon pastors will be dressing like Batman.
Sandy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
“Slob Comedy” is the actual name of the genre.
And back then when I actually had a girlfriend, the only one of them I liked was D.C.Cab.
And be thankful this Thanksgiving that Porky’s I-III was in the Eighties. Otherwise, with the industry’s current mania for Sequelitis we’d be seeing Porky’s VII, Porky’s VIII, Porky’s IX, etc.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Or the Joker.
Headless Unicorn Guy(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Grumpy,
I’m completely okay! I still have a hard time digesting the fact that they actually thought a young childs mind would even think to look at him in that manner, to “study” his penus. To be honest, I can’t even remember my ex-husbands penus, as an adult! Women think differently then men. It is horrific what the AOG put me through. I feel bad for that little girl…my inner child.
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Carol J Dennis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Carol J Dennis,
Hi Carol,
Would yoursister be willing to talk to me about what happened? I promise full confidentiality. dee@thewatburgwatch.com
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Carol J Dennis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Carol J Dennis,
I forgot to add the “jailing” offense…he made comments about underage little girls
Carol J Dennis(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Eyewitness,
Hello Eyewitness, thank you for your message. You hit the nail on the head…they directed their sick outlook the wrong direction. Not only that, they receivef a phone call(reference Carol Dennis story above) in the same time frame and did nothing! They claimed they called the police after my trial…that straight up lie. The AOG is completely responsible for Joe Campbell…the buck doesn’t stop with the AOG giving him the boot. It is their Godly and social duty to see that God’s children remain protected and they failed miserably. May God make every man that was in that room be accountable for their lack of a backbone and whorped thinking. And, of course, Joe needs to reap what he sowed. His church keeps preaching about forgive and forget like Jesus, let’s not dig up old bones, and etc. Well, Joe, you didn’t just still a candy bar, you stole my virginity and childhood. Not to mention all the emotional trauma it left me with all these years! Yes, I remember! No, I won’t forget. Good luck with your conscience…if you have one.
Kerri Jackson(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
Kerri Jackson,
Thank you for your comment. You are brave to speak out.
dee(Reply & quote selected text) (Reply to this comment)
People act like it’s easy for those of us who’ve lived through this kind of trauma to come forward, but it’s not. It’s anything but easy. Every step feels like reliving the worst moments of my life, and yet, I feel like if I stop now, I’m letting them win.
I’ve never had a “normal” relationship in my entire life, and I know it all goes back to having my innocence stolen. These people are monsters. Joe and Becky wreaked havoc on my life and the lives of others, and now they stand in public, celebrated as leaders of faith. It’s infuriating to see them act like what they did was no more serious than stealing bubble gum, when the reality is they stole innocence—in multiple states, from multiple churches, and left so many victims to pick up the pieces.
For years, I tried to hide what happened. I buried the memories, blocked out the pain, and even felt shamed into silence by peers and “friends” who defended them. But now, the memories I fought so hard to suppress are flooding back. I’ve had to sit down with my kids and explain the trauma I’ve hidden from them their whole lives.
The idea of opening this door again makes me physically ill. I am petrified. But I can’t ignore that something has to be done. Joe’s following grows daily, and they carry on like we’re nothing but gnats reminding them of minor “transgressions.” But what they did wasn’t minor. It was evil.
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