elastigirl,

Did you see this part:
The attorney asks: Do you employ any of (your children) through your various business entities?” Hunt responds, “No, ma’am. No.”

Even Hunt’s grandchildren work for the family businesses and non-profits.

Muff Potter: makes her skin crawl.

Creepo from the get-go.

Finally, there is proof that my friend Geoff Hammond was removed from NAMB for reasons other than those alleged at the time. This is from Baptist News Global in May 2023 –

“ Despite NAMB’s stated conflict of interest policy, the SBC operates within an ecosystem of trust that allows decisions to be made based on personal relationships and recommendations. High-profile pastors carry great influence.

By the accounts of multiple insiders, NAMB’s second president, Geoff Hammond, who served only two years before being forced out by the same trustee board that had hired him, reportedly threatened Hunt’s influence at the missions agency. At the time of Hammond’s abrupt resignation in 2009, Hunt was SBC president, which made him an ex-officio member of NAMB’s trustee board.

Hunt reportedly used that influence to collaborate with others who wanted Hammond removed.

Less than a year later, NAMB trustees named a new president, Kevin Ezell, who had closer ties to Hunt and hired him as the agency’s senior vice president.

From that moment, Hunt’s constellation of family enterprises appear to have been back in business at NAMB and within the SBC.”

It’s a small world.

he sees a difference between “adultery” and being “unfaithful” to one’s wife. It is only adultery, he says, if there is sexual intercourse involved.

Just like Douggie ESQUIRE and his Commander’s Handmaid!
Just like Falwell Junior’s instructions to Pool Boy doing Mrs Junior while he watched!
Just like Gafunkel & Oates’ song “LOOPHOLE!”

As long as Tab A and ONLY Tab A isn’t inside Slot B and ONLY Slot B!
Then it’s Right in the Eyes of GAWD! “LOOPHOLE! LOOPHOLE! LOOPHOLE!”

Headless Unicorn Guy: Or the SUccubus form the Pit of Hell seducing the Mighty ManaGAWD.

Well, no wonder the fondling was awkward.

Where do these guys get the idea that if a woman comes on to them and they respond with anything other than getting the heck out of there, she is to blame? (I am NOT buying that she came on to him, but for argument’s sake what if she did?)

I am married and have had men other than my husband come on to me emotionally, and physically. I left the premises immediately and avoided them in the future. My husband has had other women come on to him emotionally and physically, and immediately left the premises and avoided them in the future.

If you are married, is does not matter if you are not the one who initiated some sort of off base relationship. It does matter how you handle it. A woman could strip bare and start doing all she could to entice a man and if he is a decent man, like Joseph, he flees. And if she catches ahold of his clothing he may leave streaking but HE STILL FLEES. He doesn’t awkwardly enjoy a taste of hanky panky before he runs. He just flees.

There are many forms of adulterous affairs. They can be as simple as forming an emotional bond outside your marriage that is closer or more important than the one in your marriage, aka the emotional affair. It can be only a little hugsy kissy and no farther, but that is still a physical affair. Or it can be a full blown real deal affair with intercourse.

All are sinful. And no Christian should engage in any of them, especially someone who aspires to leadership. They are disqualifying. Let them go sack groceries.

elastigirl,

EXACTLY!

elastigirl,

I agree. Yuck.

Good Lord! Think about it … “Pastor” Hunt hung out with Ravi Z and was a frequent visitor at Ravi’s massage parlors. It’s not like they were doing ministry together!

Cynthia W.: ** he sees a difference between “adultery” and being “unfaithful” to one’s wife. It is only adultery, he says, if there is sexual intercourse involved. **

Yet again, jut like Douggie ESQUIRE’s favorite Act with his Commander’s Handmaid or JFJr’s instructions to Pool Boy. Lawyers looking for a Loophole.

elastigirl,

I’ll stick to Scripture and the parsing thereof.
This is from The Larger Catechism: A Commentary by Johannes G Vos, Q 3 ‘What is the Word of God?’, Commentary point 8. – What is wrong with saying that conscience is our guide for faith and conduct? – “The human conscience cannot tell a person what to believe or how to live. It cannot tell a person what is right and what is wrong. The conscience can only tell a person whether or not he is acting according to what he already believes to be right…..The conscience can only indicate whether a person’s conduct is in accordance with his beliefs; it cannot tell him whether his beliefs are true or not. Therefore the conscience cannot be the rule for faith and life.”

The shorter answer of course is that you missed the point of my original comment and demonstrated why Europeans think that Americans don’t get irony. If you place your hope in conscience then you are hanging your hat on a “shoogly nail”. So let’s get back to Johnny Hunt and not be sidetracked any further.

It’s not adultery if it’s a chair massage.

I’m getting the hang of this!

Headless Unicorn Guy: And most important, no searching said holy book for Loopholes.

Please, no more loopholes!
I close my eyes and there they are.

Max:
Good Lord!Think about it … “Pastor” Hunt hung out with Ravi Z and was a frequent visitor at Ravi’s massage parlors.It’s not like they were doing ministry together!

Or course they were. Both getting the rub and tug I would bet.

elastigirl: shall i list all the ways people have parsed scripture so that cruelty, self-interest and what causes harm, let alone stupidity, are deemed true?

I’m with you elastigirl.
The Bible is a great and wonderful thing, but I also think it suffers from two great ills.
Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme, and making way too much of it at the other.

Way back in 2009 Dee wrote a thoughtful, comprehensive summary of Calvin and Calvinism and its resurgence in modern day America. It got one comment from TrinityWatcher referring the reader to internet monk.

In 2010 Deb wrote about Jim Packer – “The Last Puritan” – and again it was fairly comprehensive and balanced. It raised a number of interesting points.

In 2011 I came across TWW by chance. The conversation was about complementarianism and Doug Wilson. I added my tuppence worth and so began a lengthy and occasional correspondence.. I was sanctioned three times over the years but was always allowed back. It was good, informative and relevant. Dee has done a lot of good work highlighting the many problems that exist within the church visible.

In 2024 there is no king in Israel: every man does that which is right in his own eyes. (With apologies to Judges 21:25). Goodbye Wartburgers.

Erp: I also note that if anything using scripture to justify slavery increased in the decades up to the American Civil War.

SBC Church Leader womanizer Johnny Hunt, Christian Music and Filmmaker pedophile Steve Greisen, and Actor Pedophile Preacher Don Logan probably all know their Bibles well. But they certainly don’t have a blessed clue about God, our Creator.

The constituencies of the SBC church leader womanizer, the Christian Music & Filmmaker Pedophile, and the Actor Pastor Pedophile all assume they know these three criminal felons well. Actually, their constituents don’t have a blessed clue about who they really are: the SBC Christian Church leader womanizer, the Christian Film & Music Maker Pedophile, and the Actor Pastor Pedophile.

Erp: I also note that if anything using scripture to justify slavery increased in the decades up to the American Civil War.

“The human conscience cannot tell a person what to believe or how to live. It cannot tell a person what is right and what is wrong.”
Addedum: “Only SCRIPTURE(TM) Can!”

Headless Unicorn Guy: Wait until January — “GIVE US A KING LIKE ALL THE GOYIM HAVE!”

More like an Emperor.

https://www.starwars.com/video/so-this-is-how-liberty-dies

And the irony is that all those (pastors especially) supporting TFG warn about the Anti-Christ and how people will fall for him.

Headless Unicorn Guy,
P.S. There used to be two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor (“anti” in the sense of “against”) and The Slick Deceiver (“anti” in the sense of “imitation”).

And it always struck me that the two could easily work together as a tag team:
Fleeing the Fanatic Persecutor, you find safety in the protection of (and take the Mark of) the Slick Deceiver.

Today, all you hear from the Rapture Ready crowd is The Fanatic Persecutor; The Slick Deceiver has been completely forgotten. (Maybe it hits too close to home?) Convenient, My Dear Wormwood.

Lowlandseer:
This is from John Piper’s updated 1693 Baptist Catechism –

“ Question 76: Which is the seventh commandment?Answer: The seventh commandment is, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
Scripture: Exodus 20:14.

Question 77: What is required in the seventh commandment?
Answer: The seventh commandment requires that we preserve our own and our neighbor’s chastity, in heart, speech, and behavior.
Scripture: 1 Corinthians 6:18; 7:2; 2 Timothy 2:22; Matthew 5:28; 1 Peter 3:2.

Question 78: What is forbidden in the seventh commandment?
Answer: The seventh commandment forbids all unchaste thoughts, words and actions.
Scripture: Matthew 5:28-32; Job 31:1; Ephesians 5:3, 4; Romans 13:13; Colossians 4:6.

You’ll also find it in Tom Ascol’s Founders Ministries website.

And of course you have the Lord’s teaching in Matthew 5:27-30.

When you end up agreeing with the hardcore Calvinists on something, you know things are getting strange.

But they are right. Jesus Himself said that lusting after a woman in your heart is adultery.