This incredible image of the “Pillars of Creation” where young stars are forming. James Webb/NASA
“Life is beautiful, but people are crazy.” Charles Osgood
I thought you might like to see what was “discussed” today on Twitter.
Matt Chandler is coming back.
The Roys Repost posted Matt Chandler Signals Imminent Return to Ministry in Social Media Post. Needless to say, I was not impressed. Roys quotes Chandler as saying:
In his Instagram post Monday, Chandler wrote that his mantra the past few months has been: “Jesus, I don’t want to do this without you.”
He added, “Whether it has been going on a walk, heading out to our river cabin or even walking into Jiu Jitsu I have been more aware than ever of that earnest and angsty prayer of David’s in Psalm 27:4. He has been my sustaining grace and the strength of this season.”
It looks like he had a fabulous vacation. He even let us know he has a “river cabin.” Chandler appears to be pretty well off.
- Does anyone know if he was paid? I would wager he was.
- Does anyone know what he did? No one is talking.
- Does anyone think that this sort of thing is normal?
- Does anyone think we will ever know what really happened?
- Does anyone think this whole episode is a bit creepy?
John Piper gets creepy with Mark Dever.
He thinks he would do it again? Missions and masturbation-his words, not mine. https://t.co/gkv0vFajCR
— Dee Parsons (@wartwatch) October 26, 2022
Mark Driscoll continues to exhibit what seems to me to be a “They’re always out to get me” syndrome. Is he bonkers?
I have been writing about Driscoll since I started this blog. I kept thinking he was going away, and then, like a bad cold that one can’t seem to shake, he’s back. Julie Roys wrote about this in Mark Driscoll Claims Mars Hill Leaders Were Plotting to Accuse Him of Adultery.
Driscoll alleged that prior to resigning from Mars Hill, God told him “that a trap was set.” Then, during an 18-month hiatus following his resignation, Driscoll said he met multiple times at Panera with some “critics and enemies” who used to be friends, “some who were pastors, some who are still pastors.”
Driscoll said when he asked these former friends about a possible trap, they responded that “the nuclear option was that we were going to accuse you of adultery.”
Driscoll said the plan was to get him “out of the pulpit.”
Sutton Turner denied it was true.
Sutton Turner, a former executive elder at Mars Hill, called Driscoll’s latest claim “totally false” and part of Driscoll’s campaign since 2015 “to throw dirt on the former investigating elders of Mars Hill.”
However, I am going to disagree with Turner. Driscoll doesn’t seem to be merely “throwing dirt on the former investigative elders.” I believe that it is possible that he has been and is now exhibiting signs of paranoia.
Psychiatry. a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission.
One can look back on his circles of trust, which I wrote about in Dear Mark Driscoll. He’s Back and, If the Stories Are True, He Appears to Be Bonkers.*
There was a group of men who were trusted to be part of Driscoll’s security entourage.
The detail was formed to provide safety for you and your family, with Marc Stirton running the screening and selection process for those so allowed to be in your “inner circle” as he is a “trusted” friend of the family.
…Having your entourage escort you from the parking lot to your office, to the sanctuary and back to the office, then back to the parking lot, and even driving you to and from your house is a tad dramatic
Driscoll is increasingly isolating himself and is allegedly building a secret corridor(I wonder if the church members are paying for this?)
You currently have an engineering team working on drafting the plans to blast a hole through the concrete and steel wall backstage to have a private entrance into your office from behind stage so you “don’t have to deal with being interrupted by people.”The spectrum of trust when the Driscolls are a level 10!
Brandon said my ability to lead my family was in question because I was seen in a photo with a Pastor Dustin, whom you treated horribly and slandered. Brandon said he just sat through a staff meeting where you went over a “Spectrum of Trust” with the staff, where you rated individuals on a sliding scale of 0-10 based on how much trust you and the church have in them. He pulled up a picture he took from the dry erase board in your office and proceeded to brief me on this spectrum of trust. Brandon said that the higher the level of trust, the more access someone gets. I asked, “access to what?” to which Brandon replied, “The Driscolls because they are at level 10“. Once again, It’s All About the Driscolls.
Paranoid much? https://t.co/a5l6fUcbOt
— Dee Parsons (@wartwatch) October 26, 2022
And now you know some of what I did on Twitter today. Yes, there was more.
“Mark Driscoll, John Piper, and Matt Chandler Who All Seem Bonkers to Me”
New Calvinism will drive all of its leaders and followers a bit crazy after a while. Aberrant belief and practice will do that.
Chandler:
Plotting a comeback so soon? Even Driscoll took 18-months to be “restored.”
River cabin? Jiu Jitsu therapy? This season? And here we go again, dragging David into the mess. Who is this guy really?!!
Piper:
As creepy as ever. Dever is a close runner-up.
Driscoll:
The potty-mouth from Seattle has switched into “everyone is out to get me” mode.
I repeat, all the NeoCal dudebros lose it sooner or later.
With respect to Driscoll, don’t forget the helicopters flying over his house in Seattle and scaring his son, or some such thing…..
It is pretty crazy how serious these clowns think of themselves…. I am really amazed..
How serious and how much.
Narcissists, plain and simple. Arrested social development. Thin on relationship but long on, or thick with, ego.
The pastor-at-the-pinnacle model of operating a local church seems to be a recipe for creating a crazy monster at the top and creating toxic disaster throughout the org. Church Chernobyl. Yikes.
Remember how God said Adam needed a collaborator? (Not a servant, nor a toy.) Well, apparently it was for the guy’s mental health as much as anything.
People need to work laterally together, for mental stability at the very least.
I wonder if these characters at the front of the NeoCal movement wonder if maybe, just maybe, that they have been off-track with the whole thing? That, as they look at their lives, reflect on what they have been preaching and teaching, that they were wrong to lead so many astray?
There would be no New Calvinist movement without narcissists. The usual descriptors of servants of God – humble, selfless, kind, compassionate, meek, empathetic – just don’t fit this bunch.
Max, sounds like ‘new Calvinism’ helped to create the living idol people worship as ‘the orange Jesus’ . . . pure embodiment of narcissism who demands complete loyalty from his ‘followers’
what is the ‘neo-Cal’ playbook? where does all the self-centeredness come from?
I guess the thing that influenced neo-Cals the most was the teaching that even before people were born, God had predestined them to heaven or to hell . . .
I just don’t ‘get it’ how neo-Cals think THEY are the heaven-bound?
???????
I mean the lack of the fruit of the Holy Spirit and all. (?)
‘All’ being the forms of hatred and contempt for ‘those other sinners’ which sadly now is resurrecting and ‘normalizing’ the malignancy of anti-semitism once again in our world. . . . the old nightmare comes back again
But we are the elect – God’s special pets from before the beginning of creation!!!
With all due respect, Max, your description of pastors does not even come close to many of these self-identified “men of god” in the current climate in the US. Not just the neo-cals.
This is what happens when churches model themselves on “para church ministries” most of which shouldn’t be there in the first place. “Mission” is so half baked. “Mobilisation” is a material dialectic term meaning manipulate, the same thing as the sorcery and conjuring which the OT condemns.
The unfunny clowns are bad enough, but it’s the support they get that’s the real issue.
Christians can lament all they want about the current state of affairs but as long as there’s support, this will continue.
Only Christians can clean up this mess.
Jack,
Yup…
Sadly, true. But the NeoCals (at least in my area) appear to have a higher percentage of leaders not approaching “men of god” status. Driscoll may not be a current icon of New Calvinism, but his bad-boy influence and macho-man message live on in pulpits in this region.
I guess it’s not bad enough yet for the Body of Christ to rise up against it, rather than finance it.
I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me Driscoll has jumped into a credible defamation suit.
I’m also not a psychologist, but it’s clear Driscoll is in ministry because it serves his needs for attention, wealth, unaccountability and narcissistic supply. Seems clear that his congregants are there for the proximity to a “celebrity”.
Herein lies a problem with the NeoCal elder-rule style of church governance. An inexperienced “pastor” in his 20s-30s plants a New Calvinist church and hand-picks yes-men “elders” in their 20s-30s. The “pastor” props himself up on stage and darn well preaches what he wants to and disciplines members at will. No accountability. It’s the set-up that narcissists love … that’s why they go into ministry. These characters would have no stage if it weren’t for an audience who like pastors who live and act no differently than they do … it makes them feel better about themselves. So, the beat goes on.
When you’re a God, you take EVERYTHING very seriously – especially Your Divine Self.
Ayatollah Khomeini said “There Can Be No Laughter in Islam”.
And Chandlerism, and Piperism, and Driscollism.
Just like their God, a God of Wrath on a hair-trigger who exists only to Glorify Himself.
Just like “Jack Chick’s body lies a-molderin’ in the grave, But His Tracts Keep Marching On!”
But Christians have to laugh WITH them, on pain of Eternal Hell!
Just like Caesar Nero’s (frequent) lyre concerts!
Or a Penis Home(TM) Handmaid for her Commander.
Yes. Seems like a lot of preacher boys out of seminary would really like to pull a Driscoll, or at least a Chandler, if possible.
BTW…it needs to be said…I live to read Max’s take on these hirelings. He has a godly, righteous anger that I love. May his tribe increase!
Amen!
Welcome to the tribe!
Sure wish some of them would want to be more like Jesus instead. If we had enough of those, God would start going to church again … and me!
Maybe the Pious Piper is getting more honest as the Alzheimer’s starts to set in?
How did such a God get invented amongst them?
Max….
Are New Calvinist and NeoCal the same thing? I notice you use these terms frequently. Is there someplace where I can get a clear, but simplistic, definition/explanation of these two terms?
Thank you.
Bonkers?
They’re as crazy as outhouse rats.
So you can work on the great commission or the great emission, but not both, apparently.
Yes, the same thing. You will see in TWW comments various reference to “New Calvinists”, “NeoCals”, and “Calvinistas.” All describe a movement over the last 20 years of young, restless and reformed (in theology). This tribe of new church leaders seem to have no problem taking over churches by stealth and deception, believing they have come into the world for such a time as this to restore the one true gospel (= Calvinism). However, many classical Calvinists do not agree with their message and method.
The NeoCals have no tolerance for other expressions of faith, nor any problem in taking churches and their resources from long-established non-Calvinist members. They establish elder-rule policy, with membership contracts, and govern churches with a heavy hand of discipline (including shunning and excommunication of members).
The Southern Baptist Convention has had a particular problem with the New Calvinist movement … NeoCals now control all SBC entities. Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY (Al Mohler, President) is perhaps ground-zero for training New Calvinists. Southern Baptist pastor Mark Dever developed disciplinary tools in his “9 Marks” system for New Calvinist pastors to use to get church members in line.
John Piper has been referred to as the Father of New Calvinism. Mark Driscoll and Matt Chandler have been among the movement’s more radical leaders. If you google “New Calvinism” you will get a lot of hits … some praising the movement, most criticizing it. TWW has done a great job informing and warning readers about the ails of the movement and some of its bad-boy leaders.
I think most evangelical Christianities support what these guys. It’s an exception when they don’t.
I can only assume from the lack of action that God’s ok with it too.
Technically, no. But many use both terms for New Calvinists. Here is a short article from a New Calvinist site that briefly explains the difference:
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/whats-the-difference-neo-calvinist-vs-neocalvinist/
He’s certainly more patient with these bad-boys than I would be. Good thing I’m not Him … and they shouted AMEN!
a rose by any other name …
From the words of an old song:
“You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.
Let’s call the whole thing off”
Most of these clowns are not well known outside Christian circles. Ultimately, this is a Christian mess for Christians to deal with.
Unfortunately they steal from everyone since their churches pay little to no taxes.
They’re parasites.
https://sprucegroveexaminer.com/news/dont-burn-the-churches-tax-them
Ken F (aka Tweed),
I now often call them “hypercalvinists” instead of by a more formal title. I also think it’s a bit more descriptive of their theology. They tend to be rather extreme, despite often lying about their theology and affiliations to potential members.
Oh, no doubt about it, everything about New Calvinism is hyper … they take Total Depravity to the edge!
Recent tweet:
“Just because someone says they’re a believer doesn’t mean you’re obligated to believe them. False prophets work for false profits.” (Mark Driscoll)
When will we learn: it doesn’t take ordination to make a pot roast, serve it, sit around the table sharing love and thanking God. Communion. It doesn’t take 10% of your income to take a plate of warm chocolate chip cookies or a fresh from the oven loaf of bread to a new neighbor. Missions, outreach. It takes no seminary degree to simply hold a friend who just lost a child in a car accident while the friend screams and cries. Compassionate ministry. No one has to bless you with huge funds for you to walk out into your own back yard or a park or just sit near a window, read your Bible, and hang out with Jesus. Sabbatical. It costs nothing to tell your child about Jesus, teach them the Bible stories, and as the two of you walk through life teach them about God. Christian Education. It costs nothing to gently lead them to faith when they are ready. Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Spirit. Church membership handled.
I once had a doozy (not in a good way!) of a pastor make the point he wasn’t going to let school get in the way of his boys’ education. Smart man on that issue!
But I decided a few months later to stop letting him and the church he led get in the way of my relationship with Jesus.
The flock is free, and may graze at will in His pasture. Stop wandering back out for some to beat and fleece the flock!
The Piper video really is revealing. At least to me. It screams, “Look at me, look at me, look at me! I will get your attention no matter what it takes. I did it when I was young and less wise. I’d do the same thing again to get the attention of everybody in the room even today even though I should be a bit wiser in my old age.”
It also makes me think of when Piper said that he liked Driscoll’s theology back in the day. I wonder if what he really liked was the kindred spirit of “Look at me, I’m the best, smartest, most clever, and most important person in the room. And I’ll do whatever it takes, say whatever it takes convince everyone else that this is undeniable truth.”
As far as Driscoll’s concerned, as a narcissist, he must control the narrative in his church. And the narrative must present him as innocent as the wind driven snow. And it must present those who produce contrary evidence as evil incarnate.
I’m sure he’s delusional and paranoid. And I’m sure he believes the lies that he says. As a narcissist he has to since he is so wonderful, innocent, and important.
This is an example of a strange dynamic that took place in the early days of the New Calvinist movement. Old stuffy Calvinists like Piper, Mohler, Dever, Duncan, etc. may not have agreed with the message and method of young radicals like Driscoll and Chandler … but they put up with them for the good of the movement.
That term also means something else. The bottom line is Calvinism contains a wide variety of beliefs and there is no way to say exactly what it is and what it is not. Almost any attempt to define it by a non-Calvinist is considered a misrepresentation of Calvinism.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/the-what-and-why-of-hyper-calvinism/
Philippians 2:5-11
King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Do I behave this way?? NO.. that is one of the reasons I am NOT a self proclaimed “spiritual leader”….
But, if one is going to go around and claim you are a “spiritual leader” and call yourself of a follower of Christ, you better be.. and when you fail, you better repent
of it..
Now, do these clowns demonstrat this????
Well, as this post mentions: bonker boys.
The little boy repeating the “M” word in his panel discussion before an audience, is akin to a little preschooler using some unmentionable inappropriate word among peers, to get a reaction. Until the grown-ups in charge remind the little boy what is appropriate and not. Attention-getting? Yes. The why.
Apparently, in this boy gathering in the video there are no grown-ups in charge. Boy group gathering with no adults in charge – the way the Christian boys, the bonker ones, like it.
Thank you all (Max and others) for your responses to my question. I read the links, and it has helped me understand.
Re:
“Mark Driscoll continues to exhibit what seems to me to be a “They’re always out to get me” syndrome. Is he bonkers?”
Why Are Narcissists Paranoid?
https://www.mindsettherapyonline.com/blog/why-are-narcissists-paranoid
From that page:
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To understand why narcissists are paranoid, you must remember the narcissist is always on the defensive. They have fragile senses of self that they must always protect against.
They present as confident and competent, but this is an act they put on to prevent exposure for who they really are.
The narcissist sees danger in everything and everyone because each new experience or person they encounter has the potential to find out who they really are.
For this reason, the narcissist must be paranoid. Everything and everybody has the potential to do them harm. …
… They believe everyone is out to get them and this maintains and worsens their paranoia. The narcissist is suspicious of everyone. …
Also:
What Is Malignant Narcissism?
https://www.verywellhealth.com/malignant-narcissism-5214553
From that page:
Malignant narcissism is considered severe and also includes paranoia, the feeling of being threatened or persecuted without proof.
… Additionally, people with malignant narcissism often suffer from paranoia that is related to the inability to deal with criticism or lack of approval.
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Daisy’s comments:
I do believe that Driscoll is a pathological narcissist, though I’m not 100% sure which variety.
If he’s not a “Malignant Narcissist,” he may be a “Grandiose”/”Overt” one with a dash of “Communal” tossed into the mix.
Meanwhile, the Village lawyers’ coverup plan has been totally successful. The faithful, the fans, and the followers are convinced Chandler confessed, repented, and is now being restored and reconciled, when he did none of those.
Zero sins, no transgressions, not one iniquity— only a little stupidity, foolishness, and unhealth caused by the pace he ran and the difficulty of the last 6-7 years. (Sniff sniffle) Nothing 2 months R&R couldn’t fix. And everyone swallowed the red herring that too close a friendship with “this other woman” was the problem, when the colossal problem, requiring 6 months of investigation and NDAs by a whole gaggle of lawyers, was WHAT he told her. If he’d been coarsely jesting about elephants grapes and pickles, it would not have needed even an hour by one lawyer. Buy all the stuff he put in writing about PEOPLE couldn’t be allowed to see the light of day.
A note regarding bonkers boys’ fans and insiders, adapted from a post about others in the public eye with fans:
The scary thing is the number of people who support the bonkers boys anyway. They pretend to think that all of bonkers boys’ nonsense and insanity (even criminality) are good stuff, the way they want their churches. The list is too long to enter here, but everyone knows of all the bonkers boys’ crimes & cover-ups (CSA, DV, etc., are criminal) and total circumvention of normal policies and procedures for a healthy community. Bonkers boys have no clue how the DOJ and LE and HR work and could care less. All they care about is grifting from church people. Their insiders know, they know exactly how things work and push as far as they possibly can to destroy churches. They don’t like a thinking public. They don’t like to contribute and do their part. They don’t like civil laws and human rights. They don’t like labor laws (stupid unions). They don’t like the poor. They don’t like women. They don’t like anyone who doesn’t look exactly like them and gives them money and power and whatever else their dark hearts desire.
Stealth and deception are modus operandi for New Calvinists … smoke and mirrors are the game … Mr. Chandler will be getting a standing ovation soon when he appears on stage for his unrepentant comeback.
It’s a strange dynamic in which the pew desires a pulpit that walks more in the flesh than in the spirit … who live and act no differently than they do … it makes them feel better about themselves. It’s a spiritual madness that has taken over certain corners of the American church. Jesus will have no part of it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll remonstrate again.
Sooner or later there’s gonna’ be a landmark criminal case involving the sex abuse of minors in one of these ‘church’ enclaves.
And at day’s end, and when all is said and done, one of the big whigs will go down for complicity after a failed cover-up.
Ava Aaronson,
“The scary thing is the number of people who support the bonkers boys anyway. They pretend to think that all of bonkers boys’ nonsense and insanity (even criminality) are good stuff, the way they want their churches.
…They don’t like a thinking public. …They don’t like the poor. They don’t like women. They don’t like anyone who doesn’t look exactly like them …”
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well, if i have to have a loose association with this ridiculous religion, i take deep solace knowing i don’t fit in with this group in the slightest.
In a nutshell. That’s it.
Birds of a feather, pulpit and pew, all found each other.
Beware, to the uninitiated. Be wise as serpents and innocent as doves, as this may be “church”.
All relationships have overlookables and dealbreakers. Important to keep those intact in church.
Rats’ nest hidden in the attic preying on homeowners into the night. Creepier than a Stephen King Halloween novel. Horror.
elastigirl,
And staying away.
The wolf departing from the henhouse leaves in his wake a trail of remains of those he devoured in his raid.
They were the disposables. The vulnerable and disposable, as the false shepherds look away.
Every church leader who looks away and does nothing is a false shepherd.
Every innocent violated was disposable to them but not to our Lord. Jesus sends his Good Samaritan to the side of the road to aid and rescue.
The false shepherds, theo-bros and law-natic levites, are long gone, on a fast dive to the bottom of the sea slung with millstones. Sound harsh? Jesus called it back in his day.
There is an unspoken covenant in many churches between the pulpit and pew in which the hireling says “You let me stay, pay me well, and I’ll give you what you want.” An unholy alliance is formed, the things of God are forgotten, Jesus weeps. It’s a system that can’t be broken until enough folks in the pew hunger for the presence of God and start defunding such churches (not the Body of Christ, but institutions that don’t represent Him.)
The legacy of New Calvinism and other such movements over the course of time.
The Good Samaritan parable fully illustrates the 2 commandments that encompass Jesus’ fulfillment of the Law and his mission: Love God with all of you and love your neighbor as yourself.
The Good Samaritan, IMHO, is THE parable from which the rest flow: the Prodigal is the theo-bro (Levite, Scribe, Pharisee) that walked on by the plundered man on the side of the road, as this theo-bro was going to party or commune with his fellow prodigals at their religious meeting prodigal party.
Preachers tell us the prodigal is a Hollywood Vegas type that left his father’s righteous living for the Hollywood Vegas hoopla. Well, Hollywood and Vegas and churches today are in the same moral zip code, run by birds of a feather celebrities, all with the same fans.
Hebrews 11-12 says the faithful leave the hoopla entangled with hoopla sin, and find their Lord and God’s Remnant, who will gather in a city yet to come. The faithful stop by the side of the road to rescue the plundered. The prodigals walk on by to get to their unholy religious alliance.
Near the end of the story, the Prodigal son is starving but eating pigs’ food. That’s the empty blackhole void of the prodigal leader existence: as desperate and evil as that LU dude watching his wife shag a poolboy. Sick. Dark as an inferno. Thick heinous hades. And that Seattle to Arizona guy so paranoid in his muscular he-man male machismo that he’s flanked by layers of armed security coming and going at his own “church”. Mentally ill super celebrity zombie.
In the very end, the prodigal finds his way home where his father receives him. But the prodigal has to leave the chollywood hoopla theo-brohood with fans, frenzy, glam, grift and grind in the dust, to be received by his father at the family home. The prodigal can’t bring his powerplays, passionvice, and profiteering with him. He does a 180.
And this is all verified and visible when the prodigal wayward church partyboy transforms into the humble and generous good Samaritan. No more fans and fanfare. Just following Jesus and serving.
Sadly, sounds impossible against today’s backdrop of religion in America. Individuals are doing that, but not institutions (with a few exceptions).
King’s works are not just horror, they are multi-dimensional.
In my opinion, He has the best character development and exposition of any American novelist.
And his story is amazing.
IMHO, righteous always reduces down to individuals. Helps to be a part of a group. But individuals make choices, moment by moment, every day.
Furthermore, it’s not over ’til it’s over, when we pass to the other side where God says, “Well done, good and faithful servant.”
Or, not.
Variations on narcissism according to Dan Allender are anger at codependency. I think Chandler on the one hand has become manic from the strain. He won’t get diagnosed, but he must cut and run and get his own self help. His handlers – who are degenerate – are determined to put him up for it again. Driscoll by contrast is an out and out degenerate himself.
Today someone said that in the last election, many compromised what was right and their integrity, for self preservation.
When I heard this comment, I realized that we can be grateful that Jesus was NEVER about self preservation, so the powers that be, took his life.
Then he rose from the grave.
How many leaders today are all about self preservation?
Those who follow Jesus sacrifice neither their love, nor their integrity, nor their eternity.
“Small is the gate and narrow is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
Specifying to poolboy to NOT put Tab A in Slot B when he Does the Deed so it isn’t really Sex/Adultery/Sin. “LOOPHOLE! LOOPHOLE!”
Wonder which “alternative” orifices he used – Driscoll’s? Douggie ESQUIRE’s? Driscoll’s Other End?
“LOOPHOLE! LOOPHOLE!”
As for the Cuck and Cougar’s other pastime – watching LU students go past and going which ones would YOU shag – that game is actually called “Smash or Pass”. (Apparently “smash” is the latest word for Doing the Deed.)
“I’D SMASH!”
P.S. The only other time I heard about “games” and “acts” like this was in the context of P*RN. Think about that.
That was my earlier point: they’re all in the same zipcode. They all found each other. Chollywood.
Regarding your loophole descriptions with A and B and maybe the netherlands of C, IMHO that is far too complicated to follow. Instead of all the workarounds, they could just do the right thing. And if not, they could sin honestly.
Headless Unicorn Guy,
Why would John Piper mentioning masturbation not be good thing?? Should we all not mention it because of shame and judgment.
The Church is crippled with the unspoken epidemic of porn and masturbation impacting men and women.
With abuse rife and the connection with porn and masturbation clear, we should be talking about this however uncomfortable it is.
Adrian Cunningham,
John Piper is rather odd and his presentation of this supposedly worrisome topic hits a sour note. It was not a comment that presented his research on the topic, and he didn’t present stats from organizations like the NIH concerned about the porn industry. For example, here is one of many articles. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/
Piper seems to me a bit of a shock jock. What concerns me is that he appears to have some underlying issues that have not been dealt with by those who genuinely care about him.
You can be sure that if several people find his comments strange, there may be a problem unless one is a fanboy “no matter what he says” and sees the need to defend him.