How Bikers Show the Love of God to Abused Children When Church Members and Leaders Come to Court to Support the Predator

“The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it’s indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it’s indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it’s indifference.”  Elie Wiesel quotes


Last week we posted the lawsuit filed by John, Jane and Janet Doe against Bellevue Baptist Church: Pastor Eric Brand, Former Pastor at Bellevue Baptist Church, Allegedly Showed Photos of His Wife in Sexual Situations During Biblical Counseling of the Does and Others.

Today, I want to look at another section of the lawsuit #45.

Some Bellevue Baptist members wanted a molester of one of their church teens to be given leniency.

Bellevue Baptist Church members allegedly attended the trial of Ashley James Hook and asked for leniency for Hook who allegedly molested Janey Doe. This is found in allegation #45 of the lawsuit. You can find the entire lawsuit on last week’s post.

Members of Bellevue Baptist Church came to Hook’s sentencing hearing to show support and ask the judge for leniency

Years ago, an SEBTS seminary student, who had molested a group of young teen boys (13+) at my former SBC church, stood for sentencing. I was informed by a friend who was present that there were church members who sat on the side of the molester. Think about that. These people didn’t come to support the boys who were molested. They were there to support the molester who went to prison for 13 years. Here are some things that were allegedly said by those who supported the molester.

  • The young teen boys hit on the molesteer. It was their fault.
  • A few women claimed that they wanted the molester to come back to the church and they would counsel him.
  • The boys should have known it was wrong and told their parents.
  • The boys who were molested *will get over it.*

Sadly, it was evident to me that these folks had been carefully groomed by the molester and didn’t realize that they had been duped.

Pedophilia, addiction to child porn, voyeurism, etc. are serious psychiatric disabilities for which there is not a cure.

I apologize for constantly beating my drums on this issue. I know regular readers of this blog understand this issue. Sadly, for many people in the churches which show up on this blog, still don’t get it. So, for all of those folks, I include this paper produced by the NIH: Paraphilias: definition, diagnosis, and treatment. Folks, I want to say this as strongly as I can. Jesus forgives our sins when we truly repent. Molestation and pedophilia are sins. They are also psychiatric disorders, incredibly difficult disorders with which the person might well struggle for the rest of his life.  Jesus does not heal everyone who has a profound psychiatric disorder, just like He does not heal everyone who has cancer. Let’s take this one step further. People with paraphilias who act on their compulsions are also engaging in criminal behavior. So, we have sin, crime, and a psychiatric disorder.

I don’t know why it is so hard for church people to understand this. When church members go to court to beg for leniency, they have absolutely no idea what the molester is thinking. The molester could be using these people to receive a *get out of jail* free card. As Christians, we must put the well being of those who have been abused first and foremost.

Also, it is not up to some poorly educated busy-body in the church to forgive the molester. That is up to the person who was harmed which raises another question. Has the abuser ever sought forgiveness from those he wounded? The answer is often “No.”

Does *becoming a Christian* mean the abuser is healed, no longer a criminal, and forgiven?

Let’s take a look at a post I wrote shortly after starting this blog. Please forgive the formatting. I was on another platform at that time. The title of the post is HOW TO CURE A CHILD MOLESTER — BIBLE STUDY!


Warning: Explicit material in the next paragraph only. Also, the original news stories were removed from online and I didn’t have time to track them down on Wayback. I left the .links up to show that I had reason to say what I did. Christa Brown wrote about this in Find the Baptist pastor. Ricky MIll was a pastor at my former SBC church. Here is what Christa had to say.

Ricky Mill, a Southern Baptist pastor in Raleigh, North Carolina, went to court last Monday to urge leniency for David Chatham, who pled guilty on child porn charges.What was the reason for urging leniency? According to pastor Ricky Mill, it was Chatham’s “dedication to Christ.”

Chatham, who was a high-level public relations specialist, had started going to Bible study groups after his arrest.But before his arrest, he had spent 12 years looking at images of children being molested and sexually abused.

Twelve years.

Imagine…  A little girl, let’s call her Sarah, is held down by a man and forcibly raped.  The horrendous scene is recorded on the camera.  You can hear her little voice sobbing and calling out for her mommy.  Yet, there is no mommy, and this heinous act is completed.  The repulsive video is available on the Internet.   A man in Raleigh, North Carolina gets his kicks out of watching child pornography like that which has just been described.  In fact, he has been getting sexually aroused this way just about every night for TWELVE years.  He is finally brought to justice and will soon be sentenced for this felony.  This crime carries a minimum of FIVE years in federal prison.

This criminal is upset and does not want to go to jail while he awaits his sentencing because he has important things to do.  What is the response of one Southern Baptist pastor?  The pastor takes the stand in order to ask a judge to give him extra time to be on the streets reportedly because this man has become a Christian.  Huh?

Let’s back up and tell this incredible story.

Imagine opening up your Sunday newspaper and reading this glaring front-page headline:  “Child pornography consumes a life”.  That’s exactly what happened yesterday to those who subscribe to The News and Observer, a regional newspaper based in Raleigh, North Carolina.  Mandy Locke did an excellent job investigating and writing about this story.  All of the quotes and the general story-line come from this article, which can be found at the following link:http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1697432.html

Here is the story.

– History – David Chatham, a 43-year-old public relations executive, began viewing adult pornography at the age of 9 when he found his dad’s Penthouse magazine, tucked away in a briefcase in a closet.  Approximately 12 years ago Chatham began viewing child pornography.  He is married and has no children.  In December 2008 he was arrested and was found to have over 3,400 images of naked, molested boys and girls, toddlers and teens on his computer.  Chatham was tried in federal court, pled guilty, and will soon be sentenced to serve a prison term of at least five years.
Knowledge of Wrongdoing – There will be no insanity plea here.  Prior to his arrest, Chatham claimed that he knew he would eventually be apprehended.  There are investigators who spend their working hours on the web tracking down these perverts.  Incredibly, Chatham admitted to the newspaper reporter that he rehearsed what he would say and do when the inevitable arrest occurred.
Wife and Biological Children – He has no children of his own. His wife claimed she did not want children.  She also admitted that she did not know about her husband’s activity in spite of him spending hours in the middle of the night on the computer.  I, Dee, have a friend who became suspicious of her husband’s midnight computer viewing after a couple of years, despite his claims of “doing work.”  She investigated and immediately sought help.  The wife’s claim of “not knowing”, during a relationship that had spanned 9 years until his arrest, seems a bit odd.  Perhaps she just didn’t want to know.

Conversion Experience – Chatham claims he began attending a Bible study immediately after he was arrested and is now a Christian.

Other Post Arrest Activities – Chatham began attending sex addicts meetings, received intensive psychological intervention, and worked with authorities to give lectures to men who share his pornography addiction.  By all accounts, he became a model, contrite individual who was trying to turn his life around.
– Going before a judge, a number of people (including my former pastor) spoke on Chatham’s behalf, asking for leniency, another three months of freedom to get his affairs in order,  before he went to prison.  The request was flatly denied, and he went straight to jail…  Did any of Chatham’s supporters testify about the children whose lives had been destroyed?

Analysis:

Conversion after apprehension

There is no question that David Chatham knew his activities were illegal and immoral.  What is troublesome is that his “new life” didn’t begin until after his arrest.  He claims he rehearsed what he would say when he was arrested.  Why did he wait until his arrest?  Child molesters are highly manipulative individuals.  “Wait”, you might say, “He was not a molester”.  We contend that he contributed time, and most likely money, to this illegal business.  In effect, his financial support contributed to this heinous industry.  By his actions, he was condoning and implicitly agreeing to the rape of toddlers – that’s right – toddlers!!!!

This man was a public relations expert who rubbed elbows with the rich and powerful.  He obviously thought out how he would tip the scales in his favor when arrested.

His porn acquisitions went on for 12 years!  Such a habitual activity is not cured overnight.  We are sure that there are Christians out there who probably claim that a miracle occurred. To that we say, “Can you prove it?”  Is it worth the risk to our children?  Don’t commited Christians also commit heinous acts?

Let’s take a look at another well-known case, which is currently ongoing.  Most everyone has heard of the remarkable story of Jaycee Dugggard who was abducted by Phillip Garrido when she was 11 years old.  She was held in captivity for close to two decades during which time she was forcibly raped by this monster and bore two children.
Prior to Jaycee’s abduction, Garrido had been a convicted sex offender.  He was sentenced in 1976 to 50 years in jail after kidnapping and raping a woman.  However, 10 years into his sentence Garrido claimed to have “found God” and was released on parole.  Four years later, he kidnapped Jaycee and her life became a horror movie.  (In Touch magazine, September 14, 2009)  Perhaps Garrido lost God when God became inconvenient.

Even Ted Bundy, who admitted to the murder of perhaps hundreds of girls, realized that “jailhouse” conversions are perceived as suspect.  Ted Bundy became a Christian while on death row.  However, he refused to be interviewed about his faith until he knew that his sentence had no hope of being commuted.  Approximately two days prior to his execution, he allowed James Dobson to interview him.  This remarkable interview was used by Bundy to talk about the dangers of pornography when viewed by boys entering adolescence.  He stated that the reason he refused to be interviewed earlier was that he didn’t want anyone to think this was a ruse for a “get out of jail free “ card.  He was sincere in wanting to warn people of the dangers of pornography and children.

We believe that “conversion” is sometimes used as an excuse and DO NOT believe that 9 months is sufficient time to make a judgment about this man’s sincerity.

Conversion implies a fully changed life

We do not wish to judge whether or not Chatham is a Christian.  That’s between him and God.  In fact, let’s assume that he is.  Why does a newly found faith (9 months) imply that he is not a danger to his community?  There are countless examples of Christians who fall prey to sexual sins.  Darrell Gilyard, a convicted rapist pastor who was vigorously promoted by Paige Patterson, lived a secret life of rape and is now in prison.   How many Christians who are alcoholics or drug addicts “fall off the wagon?”  Since when does a “dedication to Christ” mean that someone won’t sin?

Dedication to Christ “cures” sexual deviance

Dr. Jon made an interesting point.  If all it takes is dedication to Jesus to “cure” deviance, why not have the courts turn over all of the prisoners who are Christian converts to churches and save the government a whole lot of money by closing a bunch of jails?  Even Pastor Mills would admit that Christianity does not have a 100% cure rate in this area.  Heck, they can’t even reduce the 50% divorce rate within the Southern Baptist faith!

Dedication to expressed faith in Christ trumps concern for the safety of children.

Chatham has spent 12 years viewing hard-core child pornography.  Anyone who would view something so awful day in and day out for 12 years (sometimes for 14 hours a day!) has a darkness in his soul that is not easy to penetrate.  In fact, there is a sidebar article entitled “Internet enables a dark crime” by Mandy Locke, which reviews a study done at a federal prison in Butner, North Carolina.  That study found that roughly 85% of men imprisoned for receiving or distributing child pornography and did not have a known history of committing sexual abuse when arrested, actually had committed a hands-on offense. Note: the figure is 85%!  Please check out the article with this startling statistic at the following (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1697414.html)

Chatham himself stated:  “Though he never had a desire to touch a child sexually, he worried that, over time, that inhibition would slip, too.”  This man may be crying out for help.  He claims he never had this desire, but his assertion is a bit suspect given the nature of his perversion.  Although he passed a lie detector test, these tests can be inaccurate.

Thank heavens his wife never wanted children!  Even that wish raises a red flag.  Although she claims she didn’t know about this problem, there is sufficient reason to be circumspect about her assertion.

Providence Baptist Church in Raleigh had a pedophile serve as a volunteer for several years.  The pastors claim they had no evidence that this seminarian was a molester.  It took an outside police encounter to blow the lid on this man.  He was sentenced to 13 years in prison based on the testimony of a number of teenage boys from the church.
Churches appear to be naïve, or worse, lax, in providing for the safety of the children entrusted to their care.  The blinders must come off!  Many of these same churches claim that all men are depraved, but they don’t appear to practice safety measures that coincide with their theology.

According to the article, Pastor Ricky Mill from Providence Baptist Church (PBC) took the stand on Chatham’s behalf, along with a number of other supporters, to ask the magistrate for leniency prior to his sentencing.  Chatham wanted three more months of freedom before going to prison.  Pastor Mill talked of Chatham’s dedication to Christ (9 months).  His therapist claimed she didn’t “think” that Chatham would abuse any kids.  (That’s quite reassuring!)  Chatham’s attorney, Joe Cheshire, argued that Chatham could change lives and should be allowed to keep doing that!  Incredibly, this same attorney defended the pedophile seminarian that had been found at Providence Baptist Church.


Here he is on the sex offender registry list.

Chatham is now out of prison and appears to be working for Angel Oak Creative and has some ties to SEBTS according to LinkedIn. He had a blog called From Shame2Grace which discussed his history but that appears to be shut down. I wonder why.  I sure hope he is still in counseling, professional counseling that is and not the so-called *Biblical* counseling.

What happens to the victim when pastors and church members flock to support the molester? What would you say if I told you that some bikers act more Christianly than these aforementioned folks?

How many of you have heard about Bikers Against Child Abuse: Keepers of the Children?

B.A.C.A. Creed
Adapted from “The Fellowship of the Unashamed”

I am a Member of Bikers Against Child Abuse. The die has been cast. The decision has been made. I have stepped over the line. I won’t look back, let up, slow down, back away, or be still.

My past has prepared me, my present makes sense, and my future is secure. I’m finished and done with low living, sight walking, small planning, smooth knees, colorless dreams, tamed visions, mundane talking, cheap giving, and dwarfed goals.

I no longer need pre-eminence, prosperity, position, promotions, plaudits, or popularity. I don’t have to be right, first, tops, recognized, praised, regarded, or rewarded. I now live by the faith in my works, and lean on the strength of my brothers and sisters. I love with patience, live by prayer, and labor with power.

My fate is set, my gait is fast, my goal is the ultimate safety of children. My road is narrow, my way is rough, my companions are tried and true, my Guide is reliable, my mission is clear. I cannot be bought, compromised, detoured, lured away, turned back, deluded, or delayed. I will not flinch in the face of sacrifice, hesitate in the presence of adversity, negotiate at the table of the enemy, ponder at the pool of popularity, or meander in the maze of mediocrity.

I won’t give up, shut up, let up, until I have stayed up, stored up, prayed up, paid up, and showed up for all wounded children. I must go until I drop, ride until I give out, and work till He stops me. And when He comes for His own, He will have no problem recognizing me, for He will see my B.A.C.A. backpatch and know that I am one of His. I am a Member of Bikers Against Child Abuse, and this is my creed.

It appears that these wonderful bikers have a lesson to teach the church. As you will see, far too many church members show up to support pedophile pastors and totally ignore the molested children. Many times, the children are afraid to come to court, especially when they see people from the church supporting the abuser. Please, please watch these two short videos. Have some tissues on hand. Look at the pictures of the good Christian people from the Baptist church, supporting the predator. Baptist Church members…be ashamed.

(I am going to try to interview some folks from this organization.)

Comments

How Bikers Show the Love of God to Abused Children When Church Members and Leaders Come to Court to Support the Predator — 41 Comments


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    Powerful.


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    Numero dos?


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    A picture tells the story, more than words.
    In one of the above videos, as they go to court:

    Bikers flank and protect the victims.

    Church people sit/speak in support of the predator.


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    What a powerful ministry! These folks know the real meaning of love.


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    Ava Aaronson: Church people sit/speak in support of the predator.

    Uh huh. I wonder …… just how many of those church people would put their own children/grandchildren on the sacrificial altar by leaving them alone with this predator?


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    This is one of those topics that is difficult & very painful for me to address, because I was one of those “church people.”

    I blindly followed the leaders’ admonitions of forgiveness, mercy, etc. towards the perpetrator – even when he was sent to jail for, basically, life.

    When it was happening again with another abuser (who was good friends with two of those in leadership), I walked away with my infant son; while my wife and two daughters continued to attend (social club mentality). My wife finally left her comfortable “church” when it was made clear that the leadership chose the side of the abuser because there was ‘insufficient proof’; even though the courts gave full custody to the wife, and even let her take the kids to another state. {One additional point: my wife was good friends with the woman being abused; absolutely believed her; but still wanted to attend that church. Is that, in essence, an example of Stockholm syndrome?}

    I take comfort in the Scriptures that make clear that God will hold accountable those men who turned their backs upon women & children, who led me (and others) astray with their teachings that twisted the Bible, and who continue in their lack of repentance for using the Bible to attack me when I finally stood up against their sin. {And yes, I deeply regret not having stood 15 years earlier.}


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    I don’t know why it is so hard for church people to understand this. When church members go to court to beg for leniency, they have absolutely no idea what the molester is thinking. The molester could be using these people to receive a *get out of jail* free card. As Christians, we must put the well being of those who have been abused first and foremost.

    Also, these “church people”, by begging for leniency, if successful, could be enabling the perp to abuse more kids. This happened, by a perp teaching in my fundamentalist school 45 years ago. If the perp had been convicted, or at least his reputation stay with him, he would not have molested more boys, for which he served time..


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    Around 10 yrs ago, when we were hosting a home bible study, the pastor allowed a man in our church to attend without telling us that he had recently been arrested for sexually assaulting his teen daughter. After we & others in the group found out, instead of demanding he no longer return, there was great debate over whether to allow him to stay. Words like ‘forgiveness’ and ‘grace’ were used heavily to support a decision to allow him to stay. At the time I was naive’ and trusted the pastor. In the end the man decided to stop attending & I never knew what happened to him. Looking back I realize how I was deceived into thinking that we actually owed this man some sort of grace! It makes me very angry NOW, but I can see how people are duped. Had I known then what I know now, I would have tossed that pastor out on his kiester.


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    Iwoots,

    This is a powerful comment.


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    Anna: In the end the man decided to stop attending & I never knew what happened to him.

    Thank you for your comment. I suspect that many perps walk away from Bible study and church when it becomes inconvenient for them.


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    Very good article about churches and pedophilia. I sm going to disagree on one thing. I don’t think Ted Bundy was remorseful or serving a higher purpose when he was interviewed by James Dobson. Rather, it was the last act of his very long con. We need to remember that Ted Bundy killed at least 36 people. AT LEAST.

    And if all people think about when they hear “Ted Bundy” is that he made a confession to porn use, then that obliterates the fact that he was a sick, demented, twisted killer of at least 36 people.

    Porn didn’t kill those people-Ted Bundy did. James Dobson did a disservice by letting this slick criminal creep basically write his own obituary in Christian circles.

    I am not disputing that porn is a problem, or that child porn isn’t the most heinous garbage on the face of the earth. (It can all Die In A Fire.) I’m just saying that to the very end, Ted Bundy was a master manipulator.


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    dee: I suspect that many perps walk away from Bible study and church when it becomes inconvenient for them.

    Conversely, how many show up when they learn they will be lauded and protected?

    They used to have to figure this stuff out…


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    so, do i have to actually ride a motorcycle to join this club?

    like, can i get the patch if i grab my husband’s leather jacket, a tank top, jeans, boots, and a bandanna and meet up with them at the courthouse in my white acura?


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    Iwoots: (social club mentality)

    Explains a lot.

    Micah 6.8 answers: “What does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?” – not a social country club, these three require sacrifice & critical thinking.

    Ex: TWW, according to Dee’s “About”, was not founded with a “social club mentality” but a conscience, if I understand this correctly.


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    Friend: how many show up when they learn they will be lauded and protected?

    And then church becomes their Hunting Ground. Church harvests victims for predators.

    “Grace” & “Forgiveness” & “Restoration”: the gospelly answer to everything [including lifelong persistent unrelenting unchanging patterned predatory evil as lifestyle].


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    Ava Aaronson: Church harvests victims for predators.

    This is far from inevitable.

    I’m no fool… where there are potential victims, predators will show up and try their luck. But my church actively discourages predation, and has taken action against it.

    Other churches seem to roll out the red carpet.


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    A friend posted Brian Kilmeade interviewing a pastor from California who is suing Governor Newsom over closing in-person church services. Something about him piqued my interest and I looked him up. At first, I thought I must be seeing things, but I found confirmation today. This so-called pastor, who said “People in our communities rely on churches for their mental well being, their emotional well being, their spiritual well being, their physical well being” actually sent a teenager back into the home of her abusive step father. He failed to report it to the police. He eventually served three years probation, which did not keep him from being a pastor, principal of a Christian school, and superintendent of the SoCal District of the UPCI, and now frequent interviewee of news stories where he is applauded for standing up for religious freedom. Somewhere along the line, his title changed from Pastor Arthur E Hodges to Bishop Arthur E Hodges.

    http://www.spiritualabuse.org/history/upcabuse.html

    https://casetext.com/case/people-v-hodges-193


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    From TWW’s marquee:

    “I would far rather spend my day with these bikers than those well dressed Baptist women sitting in court on the side of the predator.”

    The above and the vids of the Biker club that stands up for the defenseless, is straight out of Romans 2:

    13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)


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    Thank God for people like those bikers. Blows my mind how fellow Christians think a post-being-caught conversion should clear the slate from a consequences standpoint. I saw that type of response happen in a small reformed church in Durham, NC.

    John Adams, from Bahama NC sexually molested his own daughter from an illicit affair along with the mother of the child as a co-participant in the perpetrating of the abuse and production of child pornography. He told the minister he wanted to turn over a new leaf and many people in the church wanted to go petition for leniency. Several from this small church did. Jaw dropping, does not compute type of mental errors fire just thinking about how naive people can be. Several of us insisted that we were very thankful for our police officers, prosecutors, and judges, and while we hope Mr. Adams finds forgiveness in Christ, we also hoped (thankfully he was convicted) that he’d get the maximum penalty. He didn’t. He was allowed to stay in the church and we had to insist that Mr. Adams be monitored and accompanied at all times while the elders figured out what they were going to do. Their original response was that he repented so he was good to go. Not those words but something like that. Mind explodes.

    The minister completely embraced Mr. Adams thinking the community would see the church supporting Mr. Adams as a good thing. He was unwilling to consider that Mr. Adams could have a disorder that couldn’t be cured by the gospel.

    I left, as did others. So many other insane memories from that church experience. A profound ignorant naivete is what drives most of these no-consequences responses. I hope. I’m very thankful for your blog and hope it will help people in the church wake up.

    https://www.wral.com/more-child-sex-charges-filed-against-durham-county-man-woman/13670577/

    I think around that time is when I first encountered this blog.


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    “He was unwilling to consider that Mr. Adams could have a disorder that couldn’t be cured by the gospel.”

    It is my understanding that this phrase that I quote above, is one of many reasons we have so much abuse in the Church. While my current Church respects, at least to some extent, modern science and much of the science of mankind’s current understanding of the “mind”, much of Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism does not. And, added to this “problem”, if are one that does “respect modern science and modern understanding of the mind”, you are “stained” as a “compromiser” of the faith by these groups.

    This situation is much like politics, you have to embrace the “ideology” even if the “ideology” does not practically work…. or as HUG would say, “Embrace the cause, comrade!”


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    Typo..
    “Problem”, AND if YOU are one that does”


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    I remember Boz T saying that in all his years as a prosecutor specializing in child sexual abuse cases, he NEVER saw a church take the side of the victim. Always “RALLY ROUND THE PERP, BOYZ!”


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    Headless Unicorn Guy,

    This says more than almost anything else we say here at TWW….. the value of the victims is, basically worthless, when compared to the “perp”… especially if the “perp” is an anointed one..
    and do not forget, we pew peons are supposed to keep our mouths shut about…


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    Jeffrey Chalmers:
    Headless Unicorn Guy,

    This says more than almost anything else we say here at TWW…..the value of the victims is, basically worthless, when compared to the “perp”… especially if the “perp” is an anointed one.

    You DO know the Hebrew for “Anointed One”, don’t you?
    “ha-Moshiyah” — sound familiar?


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    Jeff Chalmers: While my current Church respects, at least to some extent, modern science and much of the science of mankind’s current understanding of the “mind”, much of Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism does not.

    “The Scandal of the Evangelical mind is there is NO Evangelical Mind.”

    “Fund = Send Money,
    A = Without,
    Mental = Brains”


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    Canna: Somewhere along the line, his title changed from Pastor Arthur E Hodges to Bishop Arthur E Hodges.

    A steppingstone on the climb to APOSTLE DOCTOR Arthur E Hodges (all genuflect and kiss His ring).


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    Ava Aaronson: Church harvests victims for predators.

    In the Human (Sexual) Trafficking biz, this role is known as “a Procurer”.


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    Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: Very good article about churches and pedophilia. I sm going to disagree on one thing. I don’t think Ted Bundy was remorseful or serving a higher purpose when he was interviewed by James Dobson. Rather, it was the last act of his very long con.

    Retired FBI Profiler John “Mindhunter” Douglas agrees. He said the same thing in one of his books.

    Note that Bundy’s Confession(TM) confirmed ALL Dobson’s pre-existing expectations.
    That is usually a warning sign; Reality does not line up so cleanly with Ideology.


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    Nancy2(aka Kevlar): Uh huh. I wonder ……just how many of those church people would put their own children/grandchildren on the sacrificial altar by leaving them alone with this predator?

    None.
    They’d put their Inferiors’ children/grandchildren on the sacrificial alter.

    JMJ/Christian Monist wrote that while growing up in rural Tennesee, it was an open secret that one of the clergy in his local church (assistant pastor or what’s now called worship leader) was a serious Pedo. The Pillars of the Church Community would deliberately steer new members with children to him so he’d rape the Newbies’ kids, not theirs. All very Respectable and Christian.


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    Headless Unicorn Guy: Send Money

    And as Chalmers noted, with mouth shut. No critical thinking either. “Faith”, in Dear Leader, the money collector. He needs a private plane.


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    Ava Aaronson: He needs a private plane.

    Ha, my pastor has a nice car that’s about 15 years old.

    Never thought I’d brag about that.


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    “How Bikers Show the Love of God to Abused Children When Church Members and Leaders Come to Court to Support the Predator”
    +++++++++++++++++

    so, trying to envision how one shows support for the victim in the courtroom.

    is it like a wedding?

    theoretically, guests of the groom sit on the side behind where he stands, guests of the bride sit on the side behind where she stands?

    or is there opportunity to somehow let the victim know you’re in support of him/her?


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    Ava Aaronson,

    “He needs a private plane.”
    ++++++++++++

    (aside from maybe the leader of a nation)…

    no one — NO ONE — needs a private plane. least of all a motivational speaker giving a canned speech.

    ridiculous.


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    Nancy2(aka Kevlar),

    “just how many of those church people would put their own children/grandchildren on the sacrificial altar by leaving them alone with this predator?”
    ++++++++++++

    not john and Nancy ortberg.

    An Ortberg daughter (perhaps in consultation with her parents) talked to multiple therapists & made careful plans so that her son was not alone with .

    meanwhile, the Ortberg daughter and John & Nancy Ortberg allegedly did nothing to prevent the individual from being with all other kids in church, in the frisbee community, everywhere.

    Encouraged it, in fact (allegedly).

    the Ortberg’s grandson was very protected. no one else’s child was protected.

    the Ortbergs did denied all other parents the same opportunity to protect their own child.


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    Jeff Chalmers: “He was unwilling to consider that Mr. Adams could have a disorder that couldn’t be cured by the gospel.”

    This is often not true for women in evangelical or fundamentalist circles, though. I have watched churches condemn women for things like divorce long after it happened, even if the divorce happened entirely on the husband’s side due to adultery or him leaving her.

    Furthermore, women are often viewed with suspicion just for being female. We’re all “seductresses” and “Jezebels”, out to cause men to sin.

    The New Cals have taken that even farther, with some of them saying that the only way women can gain redemption is through men, via marriage. My New Cal theology professor espoused a familial election theology, that the devotion of the male head of the family can save the rest. He also believed in arranged marriages and any daughter who disagreed would be cast out of the kingdom.


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    I served on two murder jury trials, in one was selected by the jurors as foreman. We acquited both defendants, one was attacked by a convicted murderer sent to prison on the defendants testimony and killed him is self defense, the other was a wife who shot her husband with a pistol in its holster as he packed to leave on a hunting trip. Could very reasonably been an accident, no signs of motive.

    Then I was selected to participate in a grand jury for the same rural county. Was only one long day in the same jury room, with a prosecutor asking a wide variety of LEOs about each crime. A few drug cases, but mostly sexual violence against either very young victims or young women with serious mental handicaps, unable to say no or protest.

    It was horrible. One man had already been convicted on child pornography charges… this time there was video of him raping his V young duaghter. Thankfully we didn’t have to watch that horror, but we did all see stills printed out from the video.

    The other really serious sex crime was a young “stud” who discovered he could take a handicapped young woman, lead her into the woods or brush, and have sex with her whenever he wanted. He could have his pick of handicapped young women, actually. They couldn’t even describe what happened to them. Should have had 24/7 protection, but that would be expensive.

    I live in a very rural county, the Board of Ed is the largest employer. There is no industry, no commercial agriculture, light oil and gas extraction, timber production. But abuse of young children, there is apparently plenty of that. Wife never wanted to have kids, I never pushed her about why not. But I have my suspicion… her father was a sweet guy, except when he drank, which was way too often. No telling what he got into while drunk.

    We’re in our 70s now, mostly behind us now.

    Never believe an abuser, never!


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    ishy: being female

    No gospelly cure, apparently.

    (Control factor.)


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    J R in WV: Never believe an abuser, never!

    Heard loud and clear. Thanks for sharing. Strange piece of paradise out there in “God’s Country”. Predators are everywhere, apparently. Trust neither scenery nor local myth, at face value.


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    elastigirl: (aside from maybe the leader of a nation)…

    no one — NO ONE — needs a private plane. least of all a motivational speaker giving a canned speech.

    ridiculous.

    And if they accede to the demands and entreaties of gospelly hucksters, charlatans, and grifters?
    They deserve each other.


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    J R in WV: grand jury

    What a powerful story. Thank you for bringing wisdom and humanity to the place where you live.


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    BACA was there for Billy when he was afraid to give his forensic interview. They were a blessing to my son. They held a Christmas party for the children at safe Harbor so many bikers showed up giving out toys. Billy still has the toy he received from them. These guys are the real deal. If other children were not in the photos with billy I would send them to Dee to post with these.