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Muff Potter,

Numero dos?

When Pigg was asked why he thought God was growing and blessing Fellowship Church he said, “We are fully committed to knowing God and making Him known.

Maybe they should make an effort to know the people they are following a little better?

When I saw this on Twitter, I wanted to beat my head against the desk. Particularly at the guy who was advertising this event on twitter and then said nobody on social media had the right to criticize him or their church for having Patterson. If you don’t want criticism, don’t advertise on Twitter–simple as that.

Nobody should allow Paige Patterson a platform after the things that have come out about him. He stole thousands of files of student information, probably including mine, from SEBTS. He enabled his best buddy to molest young men. He tried to silence a woman who was raped at gunpoint by a predator who had keys to every room on the SWBTS campus.

Paige Patterson has proved himself an enemy to Christ by his actions. He has enabled atrocious abuse to Christians.

ishy: Particularly at the guy who was advertising this event on twitter and then said nobody on social media had the right to criticize him or their church for having Patterson.

I don’t know the laddie in question, but by definition he had no right to criticise anyone for criticising him.

Anyway, back to this thing about “autonomy”. A bit like calvinismism and theSufficiencyOfScripture, “autonomy of local churches” has a meaning that is very clear, simple and strong until its logical consequences are challenged. At this point its meaning kind of goes Schrödinger’s Cat and becomes a linear combination of all possibilities.

Superficially, this might be thought analogous to Nickism. However, this is a basic misunderstanding of Nickism.

Hmm–I would think any church inviting PP to speak is a church I would not want to attend. I would think as an autonomous church they can certainly invite him. And I would think the local association, state convention, and the SBC have every right to withdraw fellowship from said church.

It really is an autonomous church and can have whomever they wish. But the other also autonomous entities have every right to withdraw fellowship.

That is how autonomy works.

ishy: advertising this event on twitter and then said nobody on social media had the right to criticize

badvertising?

So long as they (SBC folks) know they’re ‘saved’ and won’t wind up like those gawd-awful-catholics-and-mormons, and so long as the pot-lucks and social events continue on schedule, I don’t think they’d give rat’s rip if Simon Legree showed up to speak.

Having lost my mother 1n 2017, Mr. Jesperson, my heart and prayers are lifted for you and your family.

Mr. Jesperson,

I am so sorry to hear this. You are in my prayers.

Jerome: Jon used to work for Voice of the Martyrs.

Now that could be a red flag by itself. I saw enough there myself to know something was very, very off.

It’s a shame that the Pattersons were never able to occupy their little shack being built for them at Southwest Baptist Seminary.

https://youtu.be/4yrAg8RGcxU

One of Dorothy (Mrs. Paige) Patterson’s ladies-in-waiting landed there too:

https://nebcvt.org/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/

Candi Finch…has served on the Resolutions Committee and the Women’s Ministry Advisory Council for the Southern Baptist Convention. CANDI CURRENTLY WORKS AT THE SANDY CREEK FOUNDATION IN PLANO, TEXAS AREA

Nothing in SBC life surprises me anymore. Anything is possible. Under the umbrella of autonomy, an Alexander the Coppersmith can stand in the pulpit … but put an anointed woman of God up there and all Hell breaks loose!

Mr. Jesperson:
FYI.My mom passed last night at about 6 pm MST.I appreciate anyone who has or will pray for the family.Thanks all!

Prayers for you and your family, Mr. Jesperson. Take good care of yourselves during this time.

Mr. Jesperson,

May God comfort you today and the days ahead in your loss of your mother.

Mr. Jesperson,

I’m so sorry for your loss, Mr. Jesperson. May the beauty of kindness surround you and yours at this time of sadness.

Mr. Jesperson,

I’m so sorry for your loss.

elastigirl,

Well dang it. I apologise.
I know I saw more info on it. I’ll keep looking.

ishy: Twitter is afire today. Denny Burk is ranting about “discernment blogs” because of course, bringing up problems in the church is only allowable by almighty men like him and his friends about everybody else.

Burk should be worried, cuz’ the days of business as usual are drawing to a close.

ishy: Twitter is afire today. Denny Burk is ranting about “discernment blogs”

He’s just upset that the “discernment blogs” have unearthed too much bad (real) news about the bad-boys in his tribe (New Calvinism) … he’s worried what will come next in 2020. He forgets that God has placed watchmen on the wall, and he doesn’t have a right to say who they should be – that requires ‘discernment’.

Max: The new reformation will eventually be taken down from within.

I agree, but I don’t know which side P&P is on. This very recent article reads like satire:
https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/01/10/gone-to-hell-founders-ministries-teams-up-with-notorious-leftist-blogger/

ishy: The New Calvinists have such a low view on women (and humanity in general excepting themselves), but they like to hide a lot of that behind closed doors.

“But it’s harder for defense attorneys to discredit victims when the case is a matter of he said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said.”

@angelinachapin @HuffPost covering the Weinstein case.

So, TWW – keep blogging the “she saids”.

Leslie: latest blog on SBC Voices

Have the voices there suddenly turned pro-female? Throwing Patterson into the mix only confuses the issue and local church autonomy gets lost in all the noise.

Max: about the bad-boys in his tribe (New Calvinism) … he’s worried what will come next in 2020.

Wait, if he’s a real New Calvinist then God is in control of everything and it’s all predestined, so what’s to worry about? Unless of course they only believe God is on control when things go as they expect or want…

Fisher: Unless of course they only believe God is in control when things go as they expect or want…

SBC Founders (slaveholders in the South) believed sovereign God was on their side during the Civil War until early Confederate victories turned to defeat. Following the War, Southern Baptists distanced themselves from the Founders’ theology (Calvinism) and remained distinctly non-Calvinist in belief and practice until Mohler and his band of New Calvinists showed up.

Jerome: Plano? That’s quite a ways from Fort Worth, isn’t it?

Eh, plano is basically dallas? It’s about an hour from ft worth.

ishy: Hall seems convinced the New Calvinists are progressive, which I think is patently false.

hi Ishy! That sounds wrong, but it may be like that weird baptist church that thinks the SBC is ‘too liberal’. Someone says something positive about women and all of a sudden they are too progressive. Meh. Consider the source..

Fisher,

“Its beyond me how Pulpit and Pen can believe such a snide rude piece of writing is a defense for God.”
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well, i think we tend to make God in our own image.

which is kind of troubling.

(and revealing!)

but to be expected when we’re trying to get to know something/someone totally invisible. and using faith. you have to start somewhere.

i think kindness is spoken and understood across all cultures and languages (human, spiritual, extraterrestrial?), no matter the language barriers. if someone can’t grasp kindness and convey it, or refuses to, it’s a measure of some kind of psychological issue.

indeed, it’s beyond me, as well, how p&p can possibly think he/they are representing God in a true way.

Fisher: Didn’t the God JD Hall thinks he’s defending inspire Apostle Paul to write, “Let your conversation always be full of grace seasoned with salt” and “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up.”

I am pretty sure they redefine words to make them mean what they want them to mean. For example, grace becomes a doctrine that includes predestination to eternal conscious torment. So they season their speech with that kind of talk. And they think that what is helpful to build up others is to punch them in the face with what they believe to be truth. It’s a become a system that reads more like satire than anything remotely Christian. It would be hilarious if not for the Trail of damage they have left on their wake.

“Lawsuits in Arkansas, Virginia, test SBC’s local-church-autonomy defense for sexual abuse”

https://baptistnews.com/article/lawsuits-in-arkansas-virginia-test-sbcs-local-church-autonomy-defense-for-sexual-abuse/#.Xh0nAf5Kipo

Donna D.,

I think you meant to reply to Jerome’s post on this.

Jerome: I too have been falsely accused…

And then he says these ‘false accusations’ were mild and not a big deal? Like, getting the name of something wrong because of bad fact checking is not the same thing and it’s a problem to see them conflated.

I sideeye the h out of anyone saying that false accusations are constantly happening. The ones I have heard have generally been substantiated eventually.

Lawsuits in Arkansas, Virginia, test SBC’s local-church-autonomy defense for sexual abuse

https://baptistnews.com/article/lawsuits-in-arkansas-virginia-test-sbcs-local-church-autonomy-defense-for-sexual-abuse/#.Xh5N9P5Ki2x