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Mancow Muller’s podcast has been posted.

http://themancowpodcast.com/

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It ain’t so.

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Dee: “I have a concealed carry license in North Carolina so I am not opposed to gins for protection.”

You carry gin for protection? No wonder the Pugs can’t walk straight.

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So James MacDonald is doing some serious investigative research on Pornhub???

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Godfather juxtaposition, indeed. This sad story reveals the deteriorating state of The Church today. Why do we Believers long to follow men? They fail us. God alone is trustworthy. Stockpile His Word.

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This could very well turn out like a Scorsese mob flick.

“Life imitates art far more than art imitates life.”
— Oscar Wilde —

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Suzie Q: This sad story reveals the deteriorating state of The Church today.

the church, not The Church.

Not convinced at this point that JD is part of The Church. It’s not my call to judge his salvation, but I wouldn’t welcome him as a brother.

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As horrific as this last round of information is, I laughed at your expressions. From one concealed carry woman to another, keep the faith despite how outrageous the wolves are proving to be. Hope you are enjoying a break. Things do tend to explode when you vacation…

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A lot of people have been hurt, and as more information about Harvest comes out, will be hurt.

There hasn’t been much talk about James MacDonald’s family. A wife, two sons and a daughter.

Kathy MacDonald, James wife, grew up the child of an alcoholic. That carries a lot of baggage, and a lot of coping mechanisms, toxicity, that others in emotionally healthy families don’t have. There usually is a lot of hurt – just go to an Al Anon meeting and listen.

Even if MacDonald wasn’t out of control in the early years – what was/is it like behind closed doors in his house?
We’ve read about what Tony Jones ex-wife went through here at Wartburg Watch living with narcissism.
MacDonald had no trouble controlling, beratting, denigrating and intimidating employees – their fear was his drug. What did the two sons and daughter grow up with?

MacDonald can walk up to a deer in an enclosed space and riddle it with bullets in front of others, he stabs a picture of an employee with a knife, shoots at targets of elders wives with a pellet gun, openly expressed the murder in his heart toward a failed son-in-law, threatens to set up a well known and respected publisher by planting porn on his computer. That’s public knowledge now. What about behind closed doors? What was it like spending years growing up in his house?

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The story made the Christian Post:
https://www.christianpost.com/news/megachurch-founder-james-macdonald-allegedly-sought-murder-for-hire-police-investigating.html

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I really am at a loss for words. Three different people reported that MacDonald had inquired about having someone killed, each one thought at first that he was just venting, but as time went by and they spoke with each other, it dawned on them that he seemed to be serious.

I guess with the amount of money and power that are involved in some of these megachurch positions, it should not surprise us the amount of corruption involved behind the scenes. There are a couple other “pastors” out there I am just waiting for something like this to come out about…

Corleone attended a baptism while carrying out murders. Was MacDonald preaching about God and the Bible and teaching “Walk in the Word” while carrying out all these things that have been reported? Yes, yes he was.

I guess there will still be people who insist he was sincere.

My husband was uneasy when pastors started dressing up and playing like they were Hell’s Angels. Maybe he had a point.

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Abigail,

“I don’t get why these guys didn’t report sooner…the ones who were told that worked at the church….why cover it up? I don’t get it. Fear??? Of being his next target???”
+++++++++++++++

engaging with someone with personality disorders who wields the concept of God twists one’s mind and soul into a pretzel. and if they reward you financially,…. oh boy.

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It will be instructive (I use the word for want of a better) to observe the reactions, and more general behaviours, of other prominent shareholders in the pseudo-christian public speaking industry.

This industry attracts and nurtures evil men, as well as men (and, less commonly, women) who are just gifted at pulling crowds and making money. Put it this way: these are men whose contempt towards people who are visible hints at their attitude towards a “god” who is invisible. Obviously, they’re onto a good thing, and so they make every effort to conflate terminology such as “Jesus”, “Gospel”, “Kingdom”, “God”, “Body of Christ”, with their own brand and the goods they are marketing.

Each time a MacDonald begins to be exposed, the first priority must be to protect the brand and therefore to attack those who are exposing him: this is characterised as “undermining the gospel” or “attacking the body of christ”. So, MacDonald’s co-labourers in pulpits throughout the pseudo-christian industrial complex will be characterising outsiders like Wartburg as playing into satan’s hands and de-valuing the Gospel brand in the eyes of “the world” – that is to say, the untapped markets. They’ll say that “the world” is put off “the Gospel” by the gossips and hate-mongers who are trying to tear down a godly pastor like MacDonald.

There comes a point, though, when a MacDonald’s attested behaviour is such that he can no longer be marketed as a godly man of god who just happens to be imperfect and thus an even more beautiful picture of how jesus can be sold as a lifestyle makeover agent. What “the world” is really looking at is the stupidity, blindness and gullibility of “the body of christ” as its members continue to heap praise on something that is so blatantly evil. At that point, the money-changers have to change their strategy.

ISTM that the real nucular option is taken each time someone says something like this: I thought MacDonald was a godly mentor, but I was conned. He’s nothing of the sort. It happens occasionally.

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Konbanwa from Kyoto, Japan! I saw some kawaii (cute) pug stuff in a store & thought of our blog mistress.

This MacDonald stuff is CRAZY. If he doesn’t have a competent criminal attorney, it’s way past time he got one. I also like the Godfather analysis by Dee. However, for heavy drinking, I recommend rum.

I’ll be back early next week and hope this MacDonald crazy becomes more clear.

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dee: Total creepster.

Agreed! But he might have been looking at nude images for his own gratification, and ginned* up the “looking for my daughter” excuse because he got caught. At a restaurant table. During a church trip.

* 😉

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Rude Religious Awakening: Butter Knives, Pellet Guns, Concealed Carrys, And Chicago 501c3 Pastoral Hit Men, Perhaps?

hmmm…

Forget da booze,

Make some noise!

This sordid story is certainly a bonified candidate for the Readers Digest, the TV Guide, ‘certain’ Illinois judges, and state corrections officials…

HBC reputations and brand recognition not the only thing burning?

—> ‘Last call, my @zz…’

;~)§

—
Intermission:
“Peter Gunn Theme” by Henry Mancini
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIKSQT-oXfc
Bonus:
“Burn it to the ground” – [GMV] (a Nicelback cove)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Z1bFpu8mg
Just because:
Nickelback – “Sharp Dressed Man” (a ZZTop cover)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9Q6BGGU50

– –

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I am actually close to hyperventilating. This. Is. Insane.

Dee, Gin isn’t strong enough. Maybe a few G&T’s, though….

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The scene from The Godfather is powerful. BTW–It’s considered to be one of the greatest films of all time. That said, let’s have a contest– which gangster does Jimmy the Macster, the Don of Harvest, most resemble? I say he’s less like Don Vito Corleone and Michael, and more like the hot-headed Sonny or the impulsive Fredo. If you prefer Goodfellas, you could opt for Jimmy the Gent, Robert Dinero’s character. I vote for Tommy, played by Joe Pesci. He has by far the most volatile temper of any character in either movie. And the rest of the cast? Who is Harvest’s Luca Brasi? Tom Hagen? Clemenza? How ’bout this one– the Macster’s ex son-in-law could be Carlo!

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He shouldn’t be in a pulpit ever! He should be in jail. I don’t give a fig about anyone’s beliefs about guns. James MacDonald should have all guns and ammunition removed from his possession. He has no right to own a gun when he is threatening murder. He is an irresponsible evil man.

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Magistos,

I think so! I just had a thought–the Macster’s wife, Kathy, is Kay (Diane Keaton), longsuffering wife of Michael C!

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Nick Bulbeck: It will be instructive (I use the word for want of a better) to observe the reactions, and more general behaviours, of other prominent shareholders in the pseudo-christian public speaking industry.

Will there be any reaction? I wonder. Or will it be to ignore it and talk about other things. The Harvest outlet in my hometown continues as usual. Same name. Same vertical stripes. Same “you are loved” posted everywhere. Same elder rule with membership covenant requirements. Nothing mentioned on their website distancing them in any way from the mothership or the leader who so spectacularly sullied the name of Jesus. The brand continues as if nothing had happened.

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elastigirl,

I suspect you misunderstand my point. I have no problem acknowledging that the breadth of testimony and evidence – including his own written and taped words – suggestss a great deal about the corrupt and deceptive nature of MacDonald’s character and deeds. I also think there is much more that remains to be exposed, which clever scheming has so far kept hidden.

I am, however, willing to withhold definitive judgment on individual hearsay claims of ‘he did this’ or ‘he did that’. I would demand the same benefit of the doubt were such claims made against me. All so charged must be given the opportunity to present evidence and make their case. If they choose to remain silent, so be it.

Based on earlier, corroborated evidence of uncontrolled violent tendencies, I do not doubt that the alleged hit man talks occurred, and suspect that MacDonald was serious. But my personal understanding of justice demands that I hold this opinion loosely until evidence beyond mere individual hearsay can be produced.

I do not underestimate MacDonald. In my opinion, someone who could commit countless misdeeds at the least, and possibly serious crimes, while maintaining the image of chief saint and man of gawd is very, very clever; and very, very systematic. He could not have gotten away with this apparent con for so long otherwise.

He would have been careful to keep the dirt off of his own hands. I find it interesting that the accuser alleges he promised to help dispose of the body. This suggests that MacDonald knew his offer would be seen as a trap, and he wanted to prove he was willing to share the risk. His bodyguard would surely know that MacDonald always made sure someone else took the fall, or only used goons whose hands he knew were none too clean to begin with. If all else failed, he would threaten or plant incriminating evidence to keep people quiet. Reports suggest that those involved knew how the game was played.

Mancow admitted that the reason he was afraid of having porn planted on his computer was because he was asked by MacDonald to do the same to another. He would not be likely to incriminate himself had he actually done it, but simply being asked to commit such a crime, and not reporting it, might be enough to leverage against him.

The same as watching and laughing at a perverse video, or agreeing to engage in unrighteous ‘name it’ games. By these, naive individuals could be led deeper and deeper into MacDonald’s trap; if they did not flee at the early signs, they would be compelled to go along with ever more perverse activities, such as spying on one another for MacDonald’s ‘dope’ book.

Thus, or so my hypothesis goes, MacDonald may have been simply testing the waters in asking individuals to procure a hit man, setting a trap, if you will. I doubt he just popped off such a seriously criminal request without careful forethought. He would either have, or intend to plant, dirt on anyone with whom he discussed such sinister schemes. There is no way on earth he would casually open himself up to the serious charge of arranging a hit without ensuring the silence of the lambs.

The fear and inaction of the people involved suggests that they had seen such things at work, and knew that simply by being approached with such a request they had been targeted. MacDonald knew no one would believe them if they told, yet could hold it over them if they failed to reported him. It was always no win for the poor dupes who followed him.

My hypothesis holds MacDonald to be a sociopathic, criminal mastermind, expert at manipulation, abuse and robbery, and even better at concealing it. So good, that to this day he is confident that he will not be nailed. That would require taking down all those whom he has made sure the paper trail would include.

I suspect taking him down would require plea bargains, or people willing to face charges for their part in moral or criminal misdeeds. But that is just my hypothesis, based on the evidence I have seen, my personal experience with narcissistic sociopaths, and my study of such behavior.

All that to say, I do not defend MacDonald or suggest his innocence. I do assert that even the worst criminal suspect should be judged on the basic evidentiary standards of real justice, rather than my, or anyone else’s hypotheses.

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elastigirl,

I guess my response will show up when approved. Long-winded, as usual. 😉

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Is Mac connected in any way with SBC?

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I too don’t have a problem with a gun in a car…..But then, I’m from Texas……And after going to seminary, you shouldn’t be shocked if this true. Disappointed, but not shocked….You would be amazed at what some of the people who become ministers think….

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Fisher: Nothing mentioned on their website distancing them in any way from the mothership or the leader who so spectacularly sullied the name of Jesus. The brand continues as if nothing had happened.

Because Nothing Happened.
(And the chocolate ration of twenty grams has been increased to ten.)

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SOLICITING FOR MURDER IS A VERY SERIOUS FELONY.

However, this is Chicago where all the authorities have their price.
(Just ask Johnny Torrio and his apprentice/successor Al Capone.)

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Ishy: Of course, SBC leaders have been mostly silent on JMac.

because the only charlatans they’re concerned with are evil women posing as elders. A few tens of millions of stolen money, maybe a little murder-for-hire obviously pales in comparison with serious sin.

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Slight tangent, but picking up the theme of the charming picture of Dee on the beach:

Lesley and I are staying in a wee cottage in Corran for a few days. Corran is in Ardgour, a part of the Highlands that neither of us have ever been to before. Today’s exercise was the superb Graham, Druim na Sgriodain. It’s only 730 metres or so, but its E summit rises directly up from the sea at Corran and the views are fantastic in all directions. I’m not even sure I’d ever seen Beinn Resipol before… The hill’s closeness to the sea creates a curious optical illusion in the form of an exaggerated feeling of height; Ben Nevis, nearby across Loch Linnhe and almost twice as high, looks as though it’s on the same level.

Still not sorry I emigrated to Scotland…

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Anthony: Is Mac connected in any way with SBC?

Yes, James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel became SBC members, after he recanted of calling SBC’s congregational governance from Satan. https://theelephantsdebt.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/congregational-government-is-from-satan.pdf

SBC’s New Calvinists loved the guy; of course, they have proven time and again to have no spiritual discernment. JMac was scheduled to be a featured speaker at this year’s SBC Pastor’s Conference … until his assorted sins hit the fan.

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Friend: If so, let’s hope he chooses some more soft-spoken rascals.

LOL! My PC must be wonky, because I had a hard time hearing the soft-spoken folks on that podcast, whereas Mancow came through loud and clear.

I feel so totally out of it. Were it not for Wartburg Watch, I would never even have heard of James MacDonald. Or of Mancow, either, for that matter.

I’m sure this question has already been asked and answered, so please bear with me: Is MacDonals New Cal? Or just a garden-variety thug preacher? Thanks in advance!

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TS00: because the only charlatans they’re concerned with are evil women posing as elders. A few tens of millions of stolen money, maybe a little murder-for-hire obviously pales in comparison with serious sin.

There’s the “evil bloggers” who write about their friends. And the “broken wolves” who is vaguely defined, but any female who doesn’t submit to their “loving authority” and tells other people about it.

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James MacDonald was a featured speaker at SIX SBC Pastors’ Conferences – 2007, 2008, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016.
He was scheduled again for 2019:

https://twitter.com/SBCPastorsConf/status/1074719396600406016

“Statement from Dr. Danny Wood, president of #SBCPC19: ‘James MacDonald contacted me personally to say he is stepping away from all outside speaking engagements for a season (including Pastors Conference 2019)…Thankful for this brother, and he has my prayers as he focuses upon his own local church ministry.”

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Jerome: “Statement from Dr. Danny Wood, president of #SBCPC19 … Thankful for this brother …”

Good Lord! These folks don’t have one ounce of wisdom when it comes to the brethren among them.

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Max: Good Lord! These folks don’t have one ounce of wisdom when it comes to the brethren among them.

Late last year Dave Miller, moderator over at SBC Voices, censored a comment I made referring to James MacDonald as a “disgraced Southern Baptist megachurch pastor”.

He removed “disgraced” leaving it as

“[edited] Southern Baptist megachurch pastor James MacDonald”

and posted that he’d removed an “insult”.

Turns out Dave Miller is a former SBC Pastors Conference president and SBC vice president!

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elastigirl,

We can still pray for ones salvation and still insist that they be prosecuted for immoral/illegal activity.

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GSD [Getting Stuff Done],

I know one of the sign of troubled kids is torturing animals.

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Max,

his “methodological convictions.”

So apparently his convictions include rubbing people out, whacking, deep sixing, and wanting to see his opponents pushing up daisies….

Hopefully his “convictions” will ultimately result in genuine a conviction.

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Max: Scream!!Not someone you expect to lead a ministry called “Walk in the Word”, be adored by tens of thousands of new reformers, a leading influencer in the New Calvinist movement – sharing the throne with reformed icons, a featured speaker at multiple SBC Pastors Conferences, etc. etc.This guy was slick!

Actually Max I would say the opposite. A slouch is not going to start a ministry. A driven person will, and that drive will show up in their personal life, not just their ministerial.

My guess is…
..an overwhelming majority of successful ministry leaders are drawn to porn
…and or, have a substantial sex drive
…are typically Type A personalities
…will face outsized sexual temptation as a result public status
…are often under stress as a result of ministry position
…are emotionaly isolated from average non-ordained believers who do not serve in a ministry capacity

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Law Prof: Maybe rubbing, whacking, deep-sixing…as well as cussing, abusing, pilfering and lying are fruits of the spirit in his world.

Indeed, I imagine they are the fruits of the spirits he is controlled by.

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I hate to even think this, but I believe it would be easier to get the public riled up if the national press were to bring the animal abuses to the public’s attention. Murder for hire, not so much. Sadly, we live in “that” kind of world now.
(pass the gin!)

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Law Prof: Maybe rubbing, whacking, deep-sixing…as well as cussing, abusing, pilfering and lying are fruits of the spirit in his world.

Wrong spirit, obviously.

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TS00:
The management might need to take the word ‘m*rd*r’ off the naughty list. It’s pretty hard to discuss the current post without using it.

No sweat. Just spell the word backwards.

;~)§

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Max: sins hit the fan

Do you mean this kind of fan? Eco-friendly design lets you wave the hand-powered fan directly at the sin(ner)!

https://www.printglobe.com/assorted-stock-religious-hand-fans/12215

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Doubtful: Maybe CT will let J Mac do a guest editorial on the Biblical case for honor killing….

LOL!

And no one will be invited to write a rebuttal either… unless they donate a car to someone…

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Brian,

Oh my gosh, Brian. I hope they don’t find that poor kid (your nephew). He is an adult. They have zero jurisdiction over him.

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Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: Konbanwa from Kyoto, Japan!

Hey. Mabuhay from the southern philippine islands. Anyways i had a comment but it vanished.
The short of it is. I am not surprised in the least and the institution that supported this man bears some responsibility.

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Max,

How many bodies fit in the boot of a bug?

Seriously though, that seems small potatoes now.

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Nathan Priddis: My guess is…
..an overwhelming majority of successful ministry leaders are drawn to porn
…and or, have a substantial sex drive
…are typically Type A personalities
…will face outsized sexual temptation as a result public status
…are often under stress as a result of ministry position
…are emotionaly isolated from average non-ordained believers who do not serve in a ministry capacity

I think you nailed it here. All this means that Fallen pastors are very common place. Getting a bunch of people whipped up and excited about something is not at all the same as doing the right thing in the eyes of God. Never has been and never will be. Didn’t the prophet say something about “all that sound of live animals” he was hearing to the King who was told to kill them all… 1 Sam 15:14

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Given all of this violent behavior maybe HBC should get a restraining order against JMac. From the Elders note:

Is JMac allowed back on the Harvest property? Will he be arrested if he shows up?

He is not invited on the property, but we won’t stop him from coming. JMac was seen driving around on the Elgin campus Thursday morning, April 11 at around 11 AM. In some ways, JMac still believes he works for the church.

What is a grown man doing going back to his former place of employment? What are his intentions? Is he stalking someone? Does he carry a gun in his car when circling HBC? Why would he be allowed back on campus? It is disturbing he still thinks he works for the church. Who in their right mind would not be concerned at this point?

I can tell you how this will end and it will end in crazy.

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Max: Certainly, giving/accepting the VW gift purchased with the tithe of HBC members was wrong for both JMac and Stetzer … but, the bug exchange pales in comparison to other JMac shenanigans. The VW scandal just points to a system gone amiss in the Christian Industrial Complex, where elites plunder the bucks of well-meaning tithing units.

I would suggest that it is all tied together. The bribes and payoffs were essential to keep the machine running. Big money showed up, just as it does in the political arena, which leads to a whole other area of inquiry that has not been much pursued.

Every single cog in this machine was carefully assessed and utilized. Until people are willing to get beyond the, ‘Mega pastor falls into sin’ mantra they will never see the bigger picture. Funny how these falling Mega pastors move in the same circles, speak at the same conventions, all have their books and radio programs pushed by the big time religious powers. Coincidence?

Or might it require pondering the possibility of some element of coordination among the powers that be? Who are the real, unseen religious rainmakers? This sort of well-run organization does not come out of nowhere. What were JMac’s early days like? Who were his sponsors and mentors? Where did his start-up money come from? How far back does coordination with other well-known institutional entities, like SBC, CT, Moody, TGC, etc. go?

Some will insist that JMac was a lone ranger sociopath who just happened to play all of his cards right. I am not so sure I believe in such inspiration. I suspect he had friends in high places, who to this day have not managed to condemn the man or explain their unquestioning acceptance of him despite the clouds that have long surrounded him. Just like Mahaney. Just like Driscoll. And I haven’t been in these parts that long, but there are probably others.

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Brian,

“We can still pray for ones salvation and still insist that they be prosecuted for immoral/illegal activity.”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

agreed.

someone can be rightfully deemed / judged a corrupt schmuck with the conscience of a dead battery outside of courtroom prosecution.

i see no reason not to take stock in my/one’s own sense of what is right/wrong, and make decisions, judgements accordingly. i see no reason to withhold judgement on character and behavior when the evidence is compelling.

i suppose it’s from a lifetime in this silly religion of mine where it seems everyone is so timid to call out wrong, especially when it comes to all manner of unethical scuzz amongst leaders and people of influence.

although uppity women and stepping outside sexuality lines riles up all the righteous indignation…

yet everything else is pandered to, out of fear of judging.

excessive self-interest in keeping oneself supposedly sin-free is much more important than what is right and wrong and how it impacts people — how people are harmed by the wrong behavior/actions of others. and so many christians say nothing.

TS00,

TS00, i did misunderstand you. I hear you, and agree.

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Abigail: I don’t get why these guys didn’t report sooner…the ones who were told that worked at the church….why cover it up? I don’t get it. Fear??? Of being his next target???

Well, it’s not like someone normal had suddenly asked this of them. McDonald’s behavior was always off the wall in private, he was always pushing the boundaries and gaslighting people. They were always in a position of trying to sort out reality.

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TS00: They are easily impressed by tattoos, shaved heads and leather.

A known mind game called “Tough Guy”.
Suck up to the Tough Guys, and maybe some of their Alpha Maleness will rub off on you.

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Jerome: Late last year Dave Miller, moderator over at SBC Voices, censored a comment I made referring to James MacDonald as a “disgraced Southern Baptist megachurch pastor”.

He removed “disgraced” leaving it as

“[edited] Southern Baptist megachurch pastor James MacDonald”

and posted that he’d removed an “insult”.

Turns out Dave Miller is a former SBC Pastors Conference president and SBC vice president!

“One hand washes the other…”

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Max: SBC’s New Calvinists loved the guy; of course, they have proven time and again to have no spiritual discernment.

Why should they?
They’re The Predestined Elect, God’s Speshul Pets, and Can Do No Wrong.

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Fisher: To quote another Harvest pastor after he was trained at Harvest U, “I love James’ hard hitting no-nonsense approach.”

Oh yeah, that’s a great way for a shepherd to treat sheep! Hard hit them to get them in line … the bad-dude approach to ministry. MacDonald and Driscoll, dudebros, are two peas in the same pod. Unfortunately, there are Driscollites and MacDonaldites aplenty in New Calvinist pulpits across America, trained by masters of deception … love is not in their toolkit.

“The prophets prophesy falsely,
And the priests rule on their own authority;
And My people love to have it so!
But what will you do when the end comes?” (Jeremiah 5:31)

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Max: love is not in their toolkit.

My beloved grandmother always had George Beverly Shea records on the hi-fi:

Just as I am, without one plea
But that Thy blood was shed for me
And that Thou bidd’st me come to Thee
O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

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Bene D,

Bene D I’ve often wondered that as well. Having come out abusive relationships (both physical & emotional) I understand how the manipulation, the beating down of your self esteem & identity, can cause you to stay and justify all manner of behavior. Fear is a potent motivator. With Kathy coming from a toxic background with her alcoholic father, it is no surprise she married someone even more toxic. I’m not justifying her actions, just providing perspective of someone who has been there.

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Nathan Priddis,

Does make you wonder…

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Shaun McDonnell was targeted by HBC and he is willing to talk. From McShauno on Twitter:

So, things happened to me after I started talking about the HBCO / HBF matter. Bizarre things that I had convinced myself was coincidence or was just “evil” doubling down on me. But NOW… after hearing this audio… I know it was targeted.

“One weekday morning I walk into my office and head to the elevator. A woman gets into the elevator with me. I had never seen her before. She’s dressed provactively but I didn’t think anything of it because it’s the 21st century. She was wearing a lot of perfume.”

“She starts talking to me. Very friendly. Rather than talking side-by-side she turns to face me which weirded me out a bit. We’re only going up 3 floors. I get out on the 3rd floor. She gets out too. I head towards my office and she goes the other way but grabs my arm first.”

“She says, “The bathrooms are this way. There are not a lot of people here yet. We could talk some more? Have a little fun?”

I laughed thinking a joke. Then realized she was dead serious.”

“Now, at this point, I am terrified. I don’t know why but I was scared. I literally run into my office, sit at my desk and call my wife immediately. I tell her everything. I then call security. It never occured to me until later that it could have been a setup”

“I eventually decided that it was just evil doubling down on weakened Christians. I didn’t think it was possible and I felt crazy for even thinking that for a second. I told 3 close friends of mine afterwards and they can all feel free to back up the story here if they want.”

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Friend,

“Hi-Fi”, you just dated yourself. I haven’t heard that word in years. 🙂

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Julie:
Shaun McDonnell was targeted by HBC and he is willing to talk. From McShauno on Twitter:

So, things happened to me after I started talking about the HBCO / HBF matter. Bizarre things that I had convinced myself was coincidence or was just “evil” doubling down on me. But NOW… after hearing this audio… I know it was targeted.

I read this when he posted it, and it was disturbing. It is even more disturbing now after this latest revelation.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5v5DOEF45E

From Robert Duvall’s movie “The Apostle”-who reminds me of more of Jmac than the Godfather does.

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Brian:
Friend,

“Hi-Fi”, you just dated yourself. I haven’t heard that word in years.

Here is am old classic spoof of Hi-Fi: https://youtu.be/mmfJiv9K6E0. My dad got to see Spike Jones perform this live. He said quite a lot of the act was visual.

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AW COME ON!!! Cut my good buddy Jmac some slack, Jimmy renounced My works, just like Michael Corleone did in The Godfather….isn’t that enough? Its like I’ve always said “Good enough for Michael Corleone Good enough for Jimmy McDonald”….both of those guys were just building up their “Family business”….Hey Jimmy I know Naples Florida is off the table now that I have my man Jeff Donaldson there, but I have a nice “toasty” place waiting for you just a little farther south, Can’t wait to see ya.

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What a horrific situation…wow.
Tangent here…but speaking of your reference to Ken Ham in the post, if you are open to addressing them, I’d like to know your concerns. I agree with his views on creation, but if there are issues such as dishonest business dealings or other ethical issues on his part, I would like to know. TIA

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That’s right Mary, dont let those haters attack our good Pal and cult leader….oops I mean Solid citizen Jimmy mac…..you just keep defending Jimmy and his Henchmen buddies, and you and I will get along just fine.

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dee,

Hi Dee,
Perhaps I wasn’t clear in that I wasn’t looking to debate you on this issue or stir up strife. I did indicate that I do agree with Ham’s view on creation but wasn’t trying to argue for it but rather find out what are the areas of concern with him (such as personal behavior, etc). Peace.

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Mary,

For Mac to prevail in a libel lawsuit, he’d have to prove that Dee knew the allegations were lies, or recklessly proceeded forward with publishing the allegations even though any blamed fool should’ve known it was false. As it has come from multiple sources, some of them flat out independent of each other, the odds of such a lawsuit succeeding are so long as to be virtually zero. If you’re going to talk about the law, you might want to know a little something about it first. Just sayin.

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“Plantz said MacDonald was upset with the pastor, Josh Weidmann, because Weidmann had learned personal information about Abby as her youth pastor, which Weidmann refused to tell MacDonald.”

Seems he has been pretty controlling about Abby.

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dee,

“Most scientists who are also Christian believe in an ancient earth.”

And your proof of this is?

I could just as easily say “Most scientists who are also Christian believe in a young earth…” but I’m guessing readers would expect me to provide some evidence to prove my point.

In my view, there is just as much “junk science” used to support the old earth view. Young earth proponents do not have a lock on that.

GBTC Here
This issue has been discussed here many times in the past. And there are surveys to back it up.

And if you have “junk science” references then please provide them. But if they are hearsay or verse proof text based or just flat out calling cranks experts, expect to be pummeled. For those who have looked into this it basically comes down to young earth science is based on unknowns because they can’t argue refute the fact that point to an old earth. Now let this die.

You are engaging in a for of what is called Sealioning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
We will explicitly say “this is not allowed” in a few days as we publish more explicit rules for commenting.

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BillToo: And your proof of this is?

At the risk of aggravating the managers let me simply refer you to https://network.asa3.org/default.aspx an organization composed of scientists who are Christian.

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dee: Neal Roys:
Here’s an update:
http://julieroys.com/james-macdonald-disturbing-stories/

Please thank Julie for her hard work. Plus, she’s really nice.

I keep wondering if she was the “one snooping around” from Mancow’s story of JMac talking about contracting a hit on said snoop.

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Leila:
This is interesting. Rawstory.com has picked up this story today. Except, when you click on the link, you get a 404 message. Hmmmm … did MacDonald sic lawyers on them?

I got the page at the following link:
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/megachurch-founder-tried-to-get-his-former-son-in-law-murdered-on-trip-to-creationist-museum-ex-bodyguard/