By a lie, a man… annihilates his dignity as a man. Immanuel Kant link
Since late last fall, TWW has received a number of emails letting us know that Pete Wilson's former personal assistant, Jordyn Wilson, was now working with him at The A Group. I am sure it has greatly helped him cope with his *burn out." At the same time, we received other information like "Jordyn Wilson is living in the same apartment complex as Pete Wilson." However, we really need to prove that such information is true.
We know that a number of people have felt let down by Pete's squirrely resignation from Cross Point Church and his "I'm so sad" Facebook posts. Local people with a specific interest in questionable situations in churches often have access to information that is hard for TWW to obtain. In order for us to print information, we try very hard to verify the truth of the matter. So we wait until we can do so. Pictures, emails, newspaper articles, along with verifiable addresses make the process much easier for us. All correspondence with us is confidential. We promise.
TWW aims to be a support to church members who have been let down by leaders who seem to feel it is appropriate to obfuscate their own failures while expecting their church members to fess up and repent. We are more than willing to hep look into questionable situations but we do need as much confirmable information as possible.
Earlier this week, a former attendee of Wilson's church sent us an email along with the following verifiable information. Now we can say, without a doubt, that Jordyn Wilson is working at The A Group. It comes as no surprise to many. As for where Jordyn lives, we have no idea.
I wonder if the leaders at Cross Pointe still think that I am a liar…. Frankly, I am getting a little tired of leaders who don't do their jobs.
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Silver Medal!
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Are they related (same last name) ?
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I am trying to figure what planet system some of these folks live in. Maybe they are replants from the Project Serpo space visitation program. When I was deeply involved in ministry, I mean it was all I did for folks between work, taking care of sick family and helping the ministry, how I felt meant nothing. If it was not attached to a dollar amount or building the brand it had no meaning. When I finally got the left foot of fellowship voice mail after some thousands of hours of service, not one person cared how I felt. Of course, that was true when my father, brother, sister, and mother died as well, to be honest. In the institutional church, it was get over it stop whining and move on. I actually tried to repent of grief, now I just refuse to show it. That works great for church.
This entire “self-centered” cosmic battle about my spiritual / life struggles. I find Dawkins universe of temporal/transitory meaning and eventual nihilism far more merciful than the “divinely inspired nihilism” / utter fatalism of the evang. industry. This kind of stuff really just frustrates me no end. It happened all the time people shacking up, not saying they are, people trashing other entire people groups and creating boogiemen out of groups such as folks that are gay. Take most TGC blog posts and compare the number of posts about abuse compared to folks that are gay. Frankly, who cares what consenting adults do, which is a broad brush but it sort of makes my point. I mean Mr. Burk is now an apparent expert on all things “sexual”. But very little about child abuse in the church and the hide the pedophile game many groups seem to apparently allegedly in my own opinion from my observations play.
I got bucks if Women were lead pastors of these churches or sat on elder boards this nonsense would stop. Just another observation.
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srs wrote:
Its a pretty common name, isn’t it? (or alternately we could speculate wildly)
What a shame that his well publicized and sketchy exit did in fact turn out to be sketchy, but I’m not really surprised at anything that goes on at this point.
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If Voter Registration records in that state are public records, check those.
Jerome who posts here is an excellent researcher. I wonder what he can dig up.
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Wow, that Word of Life group, which I’d never heard of before, has a lotta money going through it!
http://www.wol.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2017/04/Form9902015.pdf
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@ Muslin, fka Dee Holmes:
Where’s Schedule B, the list of donors? According to page 3, item 2, they say they are required to complete one.
Here’s what the IRS website says about Schedule B:
For an organization filing Form 990, 990-EZ, or 990-PF that received, during the year, contributions totaling $5,000 or more (in money or property) from any one contributor.
Missing info is very interesting.
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Hm. This article from 2015 says “Pastor Wilson’s Office Director, Jordyn Cox, told FOX 5’s Katie Muse …”:
http://www.fox13news.com/news/61308966-story
I suppose there could have been two Jordyns at the church, and Wilson could just be a common name… a coincidence.
But is it possible that “Jordyn Wilson” is her (now-married-to-Pete) married name? Do we know if the Pete/Brandi divorce is finalized? Being married would of course explain why Jordyn is living in the same apartment complex as Pete.
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Personal
Assistant
http://thewartburgwatch.com/tww2/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-15-at-2.36.42-PM.png
Oy
Je comprends tout
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bendeni wrote:
Huh. Wild speculation FTW?
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Here’s Jordyn Wilson’s LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordyn-wilson-37a8b132/
Her title at the time of the article noted by bendeni was:
Director, Office of Pete Wilson
Company NameCross Point Church
The article describes her as:
“Pastor Wilson’s Office Director, Jordyn Cox,”
Inquiring minds and all that.
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And when I searched on “Jordyn Cox” Nashville, I pulled up this Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/jordyn_wilson_
Whose tweets are protected.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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Here’s another story about “director Jordyn Cox” and the Christmas promotion in 2015:
https://franklinhomepage.com/paying-it-forward-crosspoint-church-surprises-fairview-residents-with-groceries-cars/
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Marvin Gaye, anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjlSiASsUIs
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Here’s her LinkedIn page. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordyn-wilson-37a8b132
Notable paragraph:
Director, Office of Pete Wilson
Cross Point Church
September 2015 – April 2016 (8 months)
– Directed the o ce of the senior pastor of Cross Point Church. This involved leading a coordinator who organized his schedule, meetings, and correspondence.
– Involved in series content creation and series development (idea generation, art direction, coinciding environmental elements, etc.). Saw success in several video ideas that went “viral” and resulted in increased website tra c and visibilty.
– Responsible for leading and managing a large Christmas event for the Nashville community (A Merry Music City Christmas) in which we had 19,000 in attendance. The event is Cross Point’s largest outreach event. Managing this event also included leading a team of our top 10 sta leads who were all responsi- ble for driving separate task forces in their assigned areas. Attendance increased by 9,000 people last year.
– Traveled to all conferences as the liaison in which Pete Wilson was speaking while networking with ministry leaders all over the country.
– Strategically repurposed content in exchange for target audience email to aid in book marketing e orts.
– Established Pete Wilson’s podcast strategy that is to be implemented in Fall 2016.
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@ bendeni:
Cox was her married name. She divorced while at the church.
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@ bendeni:
She reverted to Wilson, her maiden name. But it looks like Wilson may be part of her name both now and in the future.
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What pray tell is the “A” Group?
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Muff Potter wrote:
They describe themselves as: “We are a full service marketing & technology agency. We help organizations, non profits, ministries, and churches increase their impact to get results.”
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@ Muff Potter:
Muff
Go take a look at the post I did about The A Group.
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2017/03/22/perhaps-the-a-groups-maurillo-amorim-could-be-a-bit-more-circumspect-on-social-media/
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Just as an update
Jordyn Cox got married and divorced within a year while she was working for Pete as his personal assistant. Her maiden name is Wilson.
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It would be nice to see some pastor-dude have a fling with someone other than his secretary. It’s such a cliche, but I’ve seen it happen too many times, and I can’t think of a single instance where a pastor-dude had a fling with someone other than his secretary.
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dee wrote:
Thanks for the clarification! That is rather strange, but it is a common name after all.
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@ GSD [Getting Stuff Done]:
I think that grahams grandson ran the gamut, and I don’t recall any secretaries!
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You’re right, Lea, Tullian is the exception. I feel better now.
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“I am sure it has greatly helped him cope with his “burn out.”” (Dee)
Burn-out before they find-out.
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Max wrote:
Burn-out and get-out before they find-out.
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@ dee & Muslin,
Got it. Now I remember the piece done here on the “A” group. A slick marketing firm that can help you become a wealthy mega-biggie guru if that’s your bag, or anybody for that matter who wants a good cash-flow for whatever product they’re selling.
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dee wrote:
This may or may not be connected.
There is a couple, Randy and Lisa Wilson (of the Family Research Council), with a daughter, Jordyn Wilson. The family is featured in chapter 2 of Dobson’s “Bringing up Girls” book, published in 2012, when Jordyn was 19. The Wilsons founded a Purity Ball, to reign in their princesses (daughters) in making the right choices for purity. Major Media featured the Wilson family, NYT, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., as a model family.
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Muff Potter wrote:
Just the concept of the A Group is disgusting to me.
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JYJames wrote:
ew ew ew. For her sake, i hope it’s not the same girl.
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Muff Potter wrote:
Just like ResultSource juices your book onto the best-seller list, so A Group juices YOU onto the CELEBRITY A-list! (For an appropriate fee, of course…)
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JYJames wrote:
And to make aure they stay unspoiled for the political marriage (plus breeding LEGIT heirs) to the Right/Godly Highborn Family.
Like John, Kate, and the Duggars?
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Tim Fall – see blog roll on the right – had an excellent post yesterday in response to Piper’s recent post about dads being the gods of the family.
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Headless Unicorn Guy wrote:
That is what they are doing. At the same time there is nothing ‘pure’ about excessive emotional attachment between a young woman and her father. Nobody needs to be a pseudo-grown-up daddy’s girl, and nobody needs to marry a pseudo-grown-up daddy’s girl because they*are*not*grown*up* and they have a sicko for a father and perhaps with a mother who colludes with the whole sick scene.
Not to be too plain spoken about it, of course.
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I really can’t tell if this is same Jordyn Wilson. But the Wilson Family of Colorado Springs looks like the quiverfull/purity/honor poster family. Normally I would respect their privacy, but when you create a website to promote your family and their products [and ask for donations], you give up a little of that privacy.
Wow, this is a culture is a new one on me. Purity Balls, Purity Ceremonies, School of Honor…
http://www.generationsoflight.com/
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okrapod wrote:
It is good for daughters to have a good and loving relationship with their fathers if possible, but I don’t think purity balls promote anything like that.
You know, they do those little father daughter dance things and it seems cute, but they are for 6 year olds. To do that with older teens and link it somehow to sex (even lack thereof) seems beyond attachment and into full on creepy.
I hate that stuff like that, and incest, and other inappropriate attachments, as you say, make even innocent things look sinister sometimes.
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@ JYJames: Wow!!! Good catch.
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GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote:
Efforts to control flesh babies who are spiritually immature.
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I took a look at the site. I do not believe this is the same Jordyn Wilson.
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@ dee:
It looks like the timelines would not match up (age-wise).
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@ GSD [Getting Stuff Done]:
Did you check out the purity pledge?
EwEwEw!
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@ dee:
Even though the timelines and the trajectories or work life of “Jordyn Wilson” do not match up, there is equal bravado or self-promotion on the Jordyn Wilson LinkedIn site and the Wilson Family sites.
Example: for Jordyn Wilson Cox Wilson, on LinkedIn, she begins (wows) with an entry serving soda at a club house:
Food and Beverage Server
Sugar Hill Golf Club
May 2009 – August 2009 (4 months)
Fast-paced customer service position. Gained excellent experience in public relations and cash handling/reconciliation.
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Lea wrote:
Gross, comes off as perverted…..didn’t they receive rings to wear as well?
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Lea wrote:
Gross, comes off as perverted…..didn’t they receive rings to wear as well?
@ Lea:
So agree. It’s a distorted relationship.
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Dee,
Please check your recent “Update” post,
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@ Lea:
@ Mae:
Wonder if this fits with the Piper posting of the dad as the god of the family, as noted in yesterday’s posting by Tim Fall – [see blog roll on the right]
“John Piper tells Fathers to Be God in their Families
Posted on June 15, 2017 by Tim Fall
I am God to my children until they know better. (John Piper.)
That quote is from a post John Piper’s ministry published yesterday in apparent anticipation of Father’s Day. Parts of the post are innocuous and parts are troubling. The part I quoted is blasphemous. Here’s why:”
Etc.
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If Pete Wilson is actually having a physical relationship, and even though the circumstantial evidence is fairly suggestive it is still a big if at this point based on known facts, then I would consider him more or less in the same category as his fellow-Tennessean Tad Cummins.
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JYJames wrote:
I suppose if you think you’re the high priest, it’s only a hop skip and a jump to thinking you’re God?
I wonder what they really think ‘covering’ someone means as relates to purity? It’s HER decision, your daughters, what she does. Like it or not, these men have no control over it they can’t get from brainwashing. And eventually hormones may override that.
Sorry if this is getting off topic from the Pete Wilson thing, but there are some odd coincidences here.
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@ Burwell:
Disagree.
Adults in a consensual relationship, however sinful and inappropriate, is not, IMHO, the same as a teacher with a minor, a student (statutory rape).
Spiritual leaders preying on their followers is in its own category of evil (Tchividjian, Campbell, etc.), however, it is not the same as adults going after children, IMHO.
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“I believe that the *whole* story has yet to be told because a broken, burned out, exhausted pastor looking for rest and healing does not take on the role of president in a business after a 3 week hiatus. Heck, if that’s all he needed, the church could have given him the month off. This burned out stuff appears to be an excuse for something else. What that is, I’ll leave up to you.” (Dee)
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2016/10/06/pete-wilson-is-so-exhausted-and-burned-out-that-he-became-the-president-of-the-a-group/
Well, the “something else” may be unfolding, Dee. Not to provide any excuses for Pete Wilson, but he is no longer a pastor. The A Group may merchandise the gospel, but it’s not a ministry. As I noted before, his burn-out was probably a means to get-out, before he was found-out. I, for one, am getting tired of a continuing string of reports of preachers who are having trouble keeping their pants on. If you are genuinely called to the ministry, the Holy Spirit will enable you to overcome the flesh. A lot of folks are in the pulpit that should not be there. Just because one has an ability to communicate doesn’t mean he has anything to say for the Lord. Your sin will find you out! You will reap what you sow, more than you sow, later than you sow.
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okrapod wrote:
House Baratheon to House Lannister for the Iron Throne…
Sansa Stark (the last known Stark heiress) to House Bolton for the North…
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Max wrote:
“Bait a trap with p***y and you’ll catch a Preacher every time.”
— One of JMJ/Christian Monist’s uncles
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GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote:
Do they cosplay Purity/Honor/Highborn like Douggie ESQUIRE?
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Headless Unicorn Guy wrote:
Preacher-boys, maybe … but not men of God. There’s a vast difference.
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Max wrote:
Men of God are in many professions or trades, some are retired, others at university.
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dee wrote:
Sorry about the misdirect. The Jordyn Wilson of the Wilson Family in Colorado is NOT the same Jordyn Wilson as the one in Nashville.
The Wilson Family site does raise its own set of issues. The Father is the High Priest of the home? Wow.
Getting back to Nashville, I guess the reason the secretary thing bothers me is that a secretary is an employee, a subordinate. A romantic relationship that develops from that is going to tend to maintain that dynamic. In other words, it’s mostly about power.
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JYJames wrote:
Amen and Amen! I know many of them. Who is called to the ministry? Every believer is! Unfortunately, “priesthood of THE believer” is no longer emphasized in SBC ranks.
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@ JYJames:
I agree with your dissent up to a point, JYJ. You are right in that an adult predator is different than a manipulative pastor and that consenting adults, regardless of their roles, are culpable for their choice to commit adultery, but an older father figure/pastor who (allegedly) uses a young woman’s personal pain from her brief marriage and divorce is still guilty of emotional predation in my opinion.
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Max wrote:
Only of THE Lead Pastor with Perfectly-Parsed Correct Theology/Doctrine.
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Burwell wrote:
Very well said. Especially with newer ones in the faith, or seekers.
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Max wrote:
As well as the gifts, 1 Cor. 12, Rom. 12, Eph. 4.
As a matter of fact, discernment is God’s house-cleaning, “Mr. Clean” – TM however not product placement per se here – as demonstrated in Acts.
By not recognizing these gifts, the leadership has nixed cleaning house in God’s house, and therefore avoided scrutiny themselves.
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JYJames wrote:
Youth are the target of the New Calvinist movement. That’s why they call them the YOUNG, restless and reformed. Youth are easier to indoctrinate. The old guard Calvinists are taking advantage of young folks to Calvinize churches – millstones are being piled up in heaven.
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@ Headless Unicorn Guy:
Without scrutiny, since the gift of discernment is not acknowledged.
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Max wrote:
True. Not to envy, admire, or emulate.
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@ JYJames:
JY, I’m convinced that the New Calvinist movement is all about influencing the next generation of pulpit and pew in America. Youth are targeted on college campuses, in seminaries, cool conferences, popular books, etc. If you can change the belief and practice of a generation, you can change the overall face of the American church for years to come. That strategy is in full-swing now.
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ishy wrote:
Agreed, when it slathers over into the church realm as a means to get rich as a professional ixtian. Aside from that, and even though I’m a socialist (old school FDR style, not the Marxist version), I still believe that when market forces are properly regulated they can be a great boon to society.
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JYJames wrote:
But of course, without any scrutiny:
“TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED! DO MY PROPHET NO HARM!”
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Max wrote:
Chairman Calvin’s Red Guard.
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Max wrote:
“Give me your children for five years and I will make them mine. You will pass away, but they will remain Mine.”
— Adolf Hitler, cult leader
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In the thrift store and came across Pete’s book “What Keeps You Up at Night”. What keeps me up at night? The thought of gullible Christians listening to people like Pete Wilson. At least it’s in the thrift store.
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JYJames wrote:
Piper didn’t really say or insinuate this, did he? Ugh!!
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GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote:
Ted Haggard.
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StillWiggling wrote:
I remember some other guy got famous in the wrong way after being spotted with a Rentboy at the airport, but was he a pastor-dude or just some Focus on the Family bigwig?
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Headless Unicorn Guy wrote:
That was George Rekers. He was on the Family Research Council (FotF’s political arm), and also advocated so-called “conversion therapy”. Ironic.
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Purity cult, purity balls, etc. Libby Ann in her blog ‘Love,Joy,Feminism’ at Patheos has many posts on these topics. She was raised in a Quiverful family and was home-schooled. She spends some time on how damaging the purity cult is to boys as well
as girls.
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@ Bridget:
Tim Fall’s post about this (what Piper said) is on his blog this week. Click on the Tim Fall blog indicated on the blog roll on TWW, up on the right. Then click on the link Tim puts in his post, to get Piper’s exact words. It’s appalling, to say the least, or “blasphemous” is the word that Fall uses.
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@ Max:
Influencing, along with emptying their pockets.
Somewhere along the line, private airplanes and estate-homes, paid for by donors to their spiritual leaders’ non-profits, became in vogue for the church leader types.
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JYJames wrote:
Very grievous. Wouldn’t want any pastor to live in poverty but this has gone to the extreme. They aren’t pastors. They operate like CEO’s.
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GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote:
Kind of like the Pharisees who kept the outside of the cup spotless, but didn’t take care of the inside that mattered. The showier the “purity”, the more likely you’re dealing with a Pharisee.
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I don’t know if anyone is still reading this post, but I’ll throw out my question anyway. I visited Cross Point a couple of times, and I have a co-worker who still goes there. I’ve lurked here at this site for a little while following this story. I do have a question: why were several of the people here so hard on the members of CP who posted here? More than one said that they enjoyed the pastor’s preaching, and they were then accused of worshiping him. Liking someone is not the same as worshiping. There was real anger directed towards the members, which is puzzling. In a way, they’re victims too of the pastor’s infidelity.
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CP Visitor wrote:
First of all, this blog is here so that churches can see how people from a broad swath of beliefs view a certain situation. So, one thing to ask is “Why do they see it this way?” Could they have a reason to do so? How does an outsider without emotional ties view Pete’s baloney resignation?
Secondly, many church members refuse to believe that their pastor could do anything wrong. I have been reading comments from church members over on Pete’s FaceBook page. They refer to his actions as a *mistake.* That he said he wasn’t *perfect.* So all is well. Except it isn’t. Pete has never told the whole story to his church members. He obviously didn’t care enough about them to do so. It is not a mistake. It is a sin and sin requires serious repentance which should be considered the thing to do for a supposed lead pastor, right?
Are they all victims? I believe that those who roundly condemned his behavior were the real victims. The ones who coddled him are enabling the behavior. Sermons should reflect an inner life of the pursuit of truth. Pete did not share his life or his truth with any of you. He played games with all of you and he made good money while he was at it.Yep- he was a good speaker. So what? Is the faith about good speaking or truthful living?
Go back and listen to those sermons in light of what is now going on in his life. Do some thinking about where Pete’s faith is at this moment. Have you or others written to Pete and told him how he is let you all down? If not, why not? Isn’t that what a church should do? Or do we ducky our heads because we are afraid to do the hard things?
I believe the anger here was directed to the lack of truth telling on the part of Pete, church leaders and some church members. Given what happened, it seems rather appropriate.
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CP Visitor wrote:
The trouble with this platform or system is we don’t have notifications, so now a week later I don’t know whether you’ll read this. I’m interested in the topic and will watch for replies if you want to discuss.
In the first thread about Wilson, the only CP member (at least that I could find today) was Patricia, who had already been a regular reader/commenter. She had some pushback from a couple commenters, one of whom apologized later for her tone, but most were very supportive. Trouble came in comments on the second article, for which she’d actually helped get the info. One or two commenters were harsh toward her and she gave up commenting.
I saw this but said nothing. For which, Patricia, if you read this, I apologize.
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One person from CP was hard on another from CP at the very start of that second thread. And rightly so, I think.
I won’t copy that, but will copy his first comment, since it relates to the Deebs’ request here.
Gerald UNITED STATES on Mon Oct 24, 2016 at 10:20 PM said:
I go to Crosspoint. I just found out that (ed. note: name of female staffer) resigned. And only 4 or 5 days after Pete? That’s not random… and yeah, we NEVER hear about pastors who leave… ever… they just leave and never hear anything…
Don’t know if the Deebs can contact Gerald, but I assume the redacted name of female staffer is the one you’re wanting to know about.