A commenter who goes by the moniker “info” graced us with her presence at TWW this morning. Here’s what she wrote on Dee’s Hank Hanegraaff post:
Still waiting for that dedication you promised over at Survivors.
Who Cares, you are right. Dee doesn’t answer any of your questions. Signed statements from CRI employees carry less weight than anonymous critics of SGM. HH’s lack of education carries less weight than SG pastoral training or Ken Ham’s schooling. HH’s lavish life style and nepotism gets less of a look than Mahaney’s charitable giving. A website by the family of the CRI founder has less weight than the sites that criticize SG.
And on and on.
Ladies, keep your yellow background. It symbolizes and warns of the yellow, biased views you dish out. I’m confident that you will remaining intentionally and pleasantly confused.
Dee responded as follows:
We like “ladies” far better than “witches.” Thank you for your thoughtful comments and concerns. May God bless your day.
Why is info commenting here at TWW, why did Dee respond as she did, and why is this post dedicated to info?
Here’s some background information. Kris over at SGM Survivors posted a portion of our article “The Mahaney Money Machine” on her blog with the clever title “Show Me The Money”. You can find it at this link: http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?paged=2
It was a much read post, which garnered 328 comments.
Here’s the BOTTOM LINE (pun intended) of what we discovered: both C.J. Mahaney and Sovereign Grace Ministries have given over $100,000 to Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. If you read our post, then you know that Mahaney began contributing to SBTS in 2002 (as far as we can determine) and achieved the $100,000 level in 2007. PDI made a contribution to SBTS in 2002 before morphing into Sovereign Grace Ministries that same year. SGM contributed to SBTS for the first time in 2003 and by 2007, this ministry had given at least $100,000 to Southern Seminary, where Al Mohler sits at the helm.
The question many SGM Survivors had was simply this – WHY?
“Why is SGM funneling money from its ministry into another denomination,” they pondered. Sovereign Grace Ministries doesn’t send its future pastors to SBTS. It’s a conundrum to be sure…
That is the backdrop for what follows. You see, SGM loyalists like info are not happy with us for uncovering and then publicizing this information.
Here’s info referring to Dee and me in Comment #200 under the “Show Me The Money” post at SGM Survivors.
A, thanks for showing in pictures how I feel about this site along with SGM Rejects and Wartberg Witches…
If you’d like to read info’s entire comment, go to this link: http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=1455&cp=4#comments
I replied to info in Comment #217, as follows:
“Wartberg Witches”, eh?
Info. is just another SGM sycophant who resorts to name calling when he refuses to discuss the issues… Well, it’s not working…
Then Dee chimed in with Comment #218, as follows:
Wartburg witches hmmmmmm? Funny thing about all of this… I grew up in Salem, Massachusetts (I promise I am telling the truth-Deb will confirm). I can assure, I am not. Neither were the supposed “witches” that were executed in Salem. 18 were hung, one was pressed. And it was the church leaders who condemned these poor women. It seems like history is doomed to repeat itself.
Blessings in the midst of this anyway.
The reason info is looking for a post dedicated to her is because of what I wrote in Comment #222 over at SGM Survivors. See below.
Guess what info…
You have inspired an upcoming blog post over at The Wartburg Watch, and it will be dedicated to YOU!!!
BTW, Martin Luther would be upset that you don’t know how to spell the name of the place where he translated the New Testament into his native language. Actually, we know you misspelled it on purpose to poke fun at us, but that’s O.K. “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”, and that’s what is about to take place over at TWW. Look for our response sometime this week…
Here’s a “sneak peak” of what we will be discussing.
SOCIAL CONTEXT (Salem Witch Trials)
“The patriarchal beliefs that Puritans held in the community added further stresses. Women, they believed, should be totally subservient to men. By nature, a woman was more likely to enlist in the Devil’s service than was a man, and women were considered lustful by nature. In addition, the small-town atmosphere made secrets difficult to keep and people’s opinions about their neighbors were generally accepted as fact. In an age where the philosophy “children should be seen and not heard” was taken at face value, children were at the bottom of the social ladder. Toys and games were seen as idle and playing was discouraged. Girls had additional restrictions placed upon them and were trained from a young age to spin yarn, cook, sew, weave, serve their husbands and bear their children, while boys were able to go hunting, fishing, exploring in the forest, and often became apprentices to carpenters and smiths.
In accordance with Puritan beliefs, the majority of accused ‘witches’ were unmarried or recently widowed land-owning women; according to the law if no legal heir existed upon the owner’s death, title to the land would revert to the previous owner, or (if no previous owner could be determined) to the colony. This made witch-hunting a possible method of acquiring a profitable piece of property.”
What makes this exchange so “providential” is that Dee really did grow up in Salem, Massachusetts and has extensive knowledge about the Salem Witch Trials. Of course, you know that there weren’t any “witches” in Salem, don’t you? Back then, as you have witnessed here, if someone was displeased with you, they resorted to name-calling. Not much has changed, has it?
Now that you have the background information on our exchange with info over at SGM Survivors, imagine my surprise at Lydia’s remark made just two days ago (http://thewartburgwatch.com/2010/02/24/the-danger-of-personality-cults-among-the-new-calvinists/#comments)
“BTW: Some of the well known profs at SBTS told a reporter that a friend of mine (someone who is a dedicated Christian who did a presentation on the problems with patriarchy) was a new age witch. I kid you not. They actually said that to a reporter!”
The Puritans have made a BIG comeback among some in the Calvinista crowd, and we plan to discuss this trend next week. Dee will enlighten us with her extensive knowledge of the Salem Witch Trials. I can hardly wait!
Furthermore, I will explain why some SBTS professors resorted to calling one of Lydia’s friends a “new age witch”. I’m really looking forward to sharing exactly what happened. I became apprised of this unfortunate situation well over a year ago, and now I finally get to write about it. Stay tuned…
You know the saying…
Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat it.
Despite your harsh comments info, thanks for refraining from calling us “witches” here at TWW. “Ladies” is a very much appreciated!