Comments for The Wartburg Watch http://thewartburgwatch.com Dissecting Christian trends. Posting Monday,Wednesday, Thursday and Friday Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:33:38 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Mark Dever / 9 Marks Edict – You Cannot Resign w/o “Permission” by Deb http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/02/mark-dever-9-marks-edict-you-cannot-resign-wo-permission/#comment-35960 Deb Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:33:38 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16744#comment-35960 Yvonne, I left this comment under the most recent post and am re-posting it here. Eagle is correct. The Internet has too much information, and we have to investigate thoroughly. :-) Someone asked in a previous thread about Larry Tomczak’s son, and Dee responded that she would check into it. My investigation revealed that the individual mentioned is NOT the son of Larry and Doris Tomczak. I have compared photos of Tomczak’s son and the individual cited to confirm my finding. Justin Tomczak, Larry and Doris’ son, has a very public persona. You can Google his name and check out his Facebook page and follow him on Twitter. He is/was running for public office in Georgia. I have’t been following his campaign, so I don’t know his current status. Maybe one of our astute readers does and can chime in. Yvonne,

I left this comment under the most recent post and am re-posting it here. Eagle is correct. The Internet has too much information, and we have to investigate thoroughly. :-)

Someone asked in a previous thread about Larry Tomczak’s son, and Dee responded that she would check into it.

My investigation revealed that the individual mentioned is NOT the son of Larry and Doris Tomczak. I have compared photos of Tomczak’s son and the individual cited to confirm my finding.

Justin Tomczak, Larry and Doris’ son, has a very public persona. You can Google his name and check out his Facebook page and follow him on Twitter. He is/was running for public office in Georgia. I have’t been following his campaign, so I don’t know his current status. Maybe one of our astute readers does and can chime in.

]]> Comment on Another Mars Hill “Testimony”: One More Reason to Beware of Covenants by dee http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/03/another-mars-hill-testimony-one-more-reason-to-beware-of-covenants/#comment-35959 dee Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:29:37 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16811#comment-35959 Jimmy I know that most churches have gone down this road. However, i believe that they must be honorable in how this is presented to the prospective member, including advising them that they are signing a document with legal ramifications. Jimmy
I know that most churches have gone down this road. However, i believe that they must be honorable in how this is presented to the prospective member, including advising them that they are signing a document with legal ramifications.

]]> Comment on Mark Dever / 9 Marks Edict – You Cannot Resign w/o “Permission” by Yvonne Melchionne Trimble http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/02/mark-dever-9-marks-edict-you-cannot-resign-wo-permission/#comment-35957 Yvonne Melchionne Trimble Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:29 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16744#comment-35957 @Eagle, Thanks. I didn't say it was him just that it could be and the right year of birth. The offense at PDI/SGM had to be huge since Justin's father walked away from a successful ministry that he co founded. @Eagle, Thanks. I didn’t say it was him just that it could be and the right year of birth. The offense at PDI/SGM had to be huge since Justin’s father walked away from a successful ministry that he co founded.

]]> Comment on Another Mars Hill “Testimony”: One More Reason to Beware of Covenants by Wendy http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/03/another-mars-hill-testimony-one-more-reason-to-beware-of-covenants/#comment-35956 Wendy Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:41:55 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16811#comment-35956 "I have faith because I realize there’s no alternative." Kevin, it's been years since we've talked, but I praise God for this statement. Thankful you've emerged from all with your faith in tact. “I have faith because I realize there’s no alternative.”

Kevin, it’s been years since we’ve talked, but I praise God for this statement. Thankful you’ve emerged from all with your faith in tact.

]]> Comment on Another Mars Hill “Testimony”: One More Reason to Beware of Covenants by Miguel http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/03/another-mars-hill-testimony-one-more-reason-to-beware-of-covenants/#comment-35955 Miguel Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:37:48 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16811#comment-35955 Numo, if you don't even know what a "Reformed Baptist" is, how do you know Driscoll isn't one? You keep saying, "look what he DOES! It's heinous! (agreed) Therefore he is outside orthodoxy!" Well, behavior is not the test of orthodoxy; doctrine, or right belief is. A reformed baptist holds to the teaching of the Calvinist reformers as summarized by the Westminster Assembly. Baptist took the Westminster confession of faith and changed two things in it: They rejected infant baptistm and the part about Presbyterian church polity and structure, replacing them with believer's baptism and the autonomy of the local church. The resulting document is called the London Baptist Confession of Faith, and is the brain-child for all Reformed Baptist teaching. Spurgeon was a lead proponent of this school of thought, and all the neo-reformed, including Piper, Mohler, Dever, Tom Ascol, Russel Moore, and even Dricsol, are heirs of this theological tradition. What he says is his theological position on paper is remarkably similar to the London Confession, with the sole exception that he accepts charismatic gifts. I don't need to see the other posts on this blog. I've been observing Driscoll longer than they've been writing about him, and I'm well aware of his circus antics. Complimentary theology, by the way, has always been considered within orthodoxy. In fact, egalitarian theology is a relatively recent innovation. Patriarchy is usually a cultural phenomena, not a theological one, but unfortunately many preachers aren't capable of distinguishing their culture form their faith. Driscoll probably doesn't know what ESS is, but I'm not entirely certain he has explicitly endorsed that position. It wouldn't surprise me, but I quit listening to him years ago. If he does explicitly advocate ESS, that is a heresy and could potentially put him outside of orthodoxy. But being a relatively recent doctrine, it's a bit above my pay-grade to determine whether it technically qualifies one as non-trinitarian. I've seen enough of Driscolls totalitarianism (call it like it is!) to be disgusted with him. But he's not by a long shot the only person I consider "orthodox" that scares me greatly. What he needs most is not re-classification: He needs to be accountable to and under authority that will call him to task for his weakness. The right use of authority is to prevent this kinda stuff, not to promote it. Numo, if you don’t even know what a “Reformed Baptist” is, how do you know Driscoll isn’t one? You keep saying, “look what he DOES! It’s heinous! (agreed) Therefore he is outside orthodoxy!” Well, behavior is not the test of orthodoxy; doctrine, or right belief is.
A reformed baptist holds to the teaching of the Calvinist reformers as summarized by the Westminster Assembly. Baptist took the Westminster confession of faith and changed two things in it: They rejected infant baptistm and the part about Presbyterian church polity and structure, replacing them with believer’s baptism and the autonomy of the local church. The resulting document is called the London Baptist Confession of Faith, and is the brain-child for all Reformed Baptist teaching. Spurgeon was a lead proponent of this school of thought, and all the neo-reformed, including Piper, Mohler, Dever, Tom Ascol, Russel Moore, and even Dricsol, are heirs of this theological tradition. What he says is his theological position on paper is remarkably similar to the London Confession, with the sole exception that he accepts charismatic gifts.
I don’t need to see the other posts on this blog. I’ve been observing Driscoll longer than they’ve been writing about him, and I’m well aware of his circus antics.
Complimentary theology, by the way, has always been considered within orthodoxy. In fact, egalitarian theology is a relatively recent innovation. Patriarchy is usually a cultural phenomena, not a theological one, but unfortunately many preachers aren’t capable of distinguishing their culture form their faith. Driscoll probably doesn’t know what ESS is, but I’m not entirely certain he has explicitly endorsed that position. It wouldn’t surprise me, but I quit listening to him years ago.
If he does explicitly advocate ESS, that is a heresy and could potentially put him outside of orthodoxy. But being a relatively recent doctrine, it’s a bit above my pay-grade to determine whether it technically qualifies one as non-trinitarian.
I’ve seen enough of Driscolls totalitarianism (call it like it is!) to be disgusted with him. But he’s not by a long shot the only person I consider “orthodox” that scares me greatly. What he needs most is not re-classification: He needs to be accountable to and under authority that will call him to task for his weakness. The right use of authority is to prevent this kinda stuff, not to promote it.

]]> Comment on Another Mars Hill “Testimony”: One More Reason to Beware of Covenants by James "Jimmy" Brown http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/03/another-mars-hill-testimony-one-more-reason-to-beware-of-covenants/#comment-35954 James "Jimmy" Brown Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:32:07 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16811#comment-35954 LUTHERAN MEMBERSHIP: An article http://www.firstlutheranlodi.org/First_Lutheran_Church,_Lodi,_WI/Covenant_Membership.html Yep, if you think there are churches out there that do not have articles of membership you probably haven't been paying attention. Our extremely litigious culture has guaranteed that even a simple church must have membership bylaws - unless it doesn't care whether or not it is destroyed by an angry person. More and more lawsuits guarantee larger membership applications. Isn't satan having fun. LUTHERAN MEMBERSHIP: An article

http://www.firstlutheranlodi.org/First_Lutheran_Church,_Lodi,_WI/Covenant_Membership.html

Yep, if you think there are churches out there that do not have articles of membership you probably haven’t been paying attention.

Our extremely litigious culture has guaranteed that even a simple church must have membership bylaws – unless it doesn’t care whether or not it is destroyed by an angry person.

More and more lawsuits guarantee larger membership applications.

Isn’t satan having fun.

]]> Comment on Mark Dever / 9 Marks Edict – You Cannot Resign w/o “Permission” by Eagle http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/02/mark-dever-9-marks-edict-you-cannot-resign-wo-permission/#comment-35952 Eagle Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:20:23 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16744#comment-35952 @ Yvonne- You made a mistake that I just want to bring to your attention. Justin Tomczak worked for Senator Chamberliss in Georgia. He is/was running for office in Gerogia. You can see his video on Youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPlBhx_USEo Here is his wesbite and he mentions Tomczak's church in it: http://www.grassrootsinaction.com/ Yvonne the web has some good sides to it, but also some dark sides. One of the problems with the web is that too much information does float around and that mistaken identities can happen. I don't know what type of offense that he did, but it can't have been too serious, becuase I can't imagine the Georgia Republican Party throwing their weight behind a convicted sex offender. The last thing they would want is a scandal. And while I am not sure, I think law prevents people convicted of felonies from holding office. But Yvonee please be careful, just because someone has the right name doesn't mean that it is them. @ Yvonne-

You made a mistake that I just want to bring to your attention. Justin Tomczak worked for Senator Chamberliss in Georgia. He is/was running for office in Gerogia. You can see his video on Youtube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPlBhx_USEo

Here is his wesbite and he mentions Tomczak’s church in it:

http://www.grassrootsinaction.com/

Yvonne the web has some good sides to it, but also some dark sides. One of the problems with the web is that too much information does float around and that mistaken identities can happen. I don’t know what type of offense that he did, but it can’t have been too serious, becuase I can’t imagine the Georgia Republican Party throwing their weight behind a convicted sex offender. The last thing they would want is a scandal. And while I am not sure, I think law prevents people convicted of felonies from holding office.

But Yvonee please be careful, just because someone has the right name doesn’t mean that it is them.

]]> Comment on Another Mars Hill “Testimony”: One More Reason to Beware of Covenants by numo http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/03/another-mars-hill-testimony-one-more-reason-to-beware-of-covenants/#comment-35951 numo Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:59:00 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16811#comment-35951 But Bill Kinnon put it very succinctly today, in this post: http://kinnon.tv/2012/02/some-things-im-of-which-im-rather-tired.html But Bill Kinnon put it very succinctly today, in this post:

http://kinnon.tv/2012/02/some-things-im-of-which-im-rather-tired.html

]]> Comment on Mark Dever / 9 Marks Edict – You Cannot Resign w/o “Permission” by GregR http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/02/02/mark-dever-9-marks-edict-you-cannot-resign-wo-permission/#comment-35950 GregR Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:54:25 +0000 http://thewartburgwatch.com/?p=16744#comment-35950 Reading Mark 14 this morning. What a shame that all this goofiness about crazy covenants so eaxily takes our our eyes off the good xtuff. Like the marriage supper/covenant with the LAMB. Have been blessed by the TWW crowd lately.I Reading Mark 14 this morning. What a shame that all this goofiness about crazy covenants so eaxily takes our our eyes off the good xtuff. Like the marriage supper/covenant with the LAMB. Have been blessed by the TWW crowd lately.I

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