Anna Duggar thinks Joe Biden Set Up Josh Duggar To Be Charged With Possessing Sexually Abusive Material on Children As Young As 18 Months Old

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“If a child grows up in an environment infested with predators, he or she would have a hard time building healthy relationships in society, the whole life.” ― Abhijit Naskar


People Magazine reports that Josh Duggar Had More Than 200 Images of ‘Child Sexual Abuse Material’ on His Computer:

Homeland Security agent Gerald Faulkner said that the files found on Josh Duggar’s computer were among “the worst of the worst” material he’s ever had to examine.

,,,The agent described multiple torrent files downloaded from a child abuse series described as within the “top five of the worst of the worst” that he has ever examined.
Faulkner said that Josh downloaded torrent files that included “a series of child sexual abuse material involving minor children ranging from about 18 months of age to 12 years of age.”

Josh was released under certain restrictions why awaiting trial.

…Josh will be released to designated third party custodians, Lacount and Maria Reber, described in court as “close friends” of the Duggar family. He will be confined to their home and monitored with GPS tracking.

Comstock said that she “cannot in good conscience” release Josh to his pregnant wife Anna and their six children — Maryella Hope, 17 months, Mason Garrett, 3½, Meredith Grace, 5½, Marcus Anthony, 7½, Michael James, 9½, and Mackynzie Renée, 11.

He has been granted “unlimited contact” with his children, so long as Anna is present. Josh may not see any other minor child, including his nieces and nephews.

Julies Roys reported Josh Duggar Released with Strict Conditions; Child Porn Images Called “Worst of the Worst”

In the four-hour Zoom hearing, Comstock noted some of the children depicted in the sexual abuse material in Duggar’s possession were close to the ages of Duggar’s own children.

Agent Faulkner testified to finding dozens of pornographic images depicting nude images and the sexual abuse of children, including toddlers, on a hidden hard drive of a of Duggar’s work computer. Faulkner also said more than 200 images had been found on the computer that had been deleted.

…If convicted, Duggar, who is married and has six children, could face up to 20 years in prison and fines up to $250,000 on each count. His trial is scheduled for July 6.

Why the Covenant Eyes website application will not be successful with someone like Dugger: He appears to have trouble with a paraphilia involving underage children. This is not your average porn addiction. It is the abuse of children.

According to Roys, Duggar has a program called Covenant Eyes installed on his computer. At the Covenant Eyes website, we learn that it is a program to help overcome porn addiction.

We’re Here to Help You Succeed. Our accountability-based service is safe, secure, and proven effective at helping members overcome porn addiction.

The first problem with this program being applied to Duggar’s situation is that child porn isn’t adult porn. It is the sexual abuse of underage children. How could anyone suggest that the sexual abuse of an 18-month-year-old toddler is the same as adult porn which is bad enough? Many women and men on adult porn are victims of human trafficking. As I stressed in my last post on Duggar:

It appears that Josh Duggar has had some form of paraphilia for much of his life and needs intensive psychiatric care.

It is highly unusual for a teen boy to molest his sisters. It is even more unusual for the parents to *solve this* by having the girls lock the door to their room. To make matters worse, the parents encouraged Anna to marry Josh. I wonder if they thought she might cure his problem. She didn’t and she learned that Josh cheated on her. Still, the parents encouraged Anna to stick with Josh and to keep pumping out the babies.

Now it appears that Josh allegedly has been caught accessing child pornography, showing pictures of children under 12 years old. Imagine a man getting his jollies by watching little children being raped? Such a man is possibly a pedophile which is a paraphilia, something I discuss regularly. Here is the best paper from the NIH: Paraphilias: definition, diagnosis and treatment:

In my opinion, Duggar has a serious problem with little hope for a *cure* no matter what Jim Bob, Michelle, and Anna pretend. He needs serious psychiatric intervention, something the Duggars are probably dead set against. Even with this intervention, the hope will be that he doesn’t continue to offend but he most likely will always have these compulsions. And that is a problem with him being around his children.

And the Covenant Eyes debacle proves this. Josh did a workaround. He’s not stopping, folks! Wake up, Anna! Your kids are in danger. According to Jule Roys:

In their investigation, agents found that Duggar had installed “Covenant Eyes,” a monitoring program intended to keep users from viewing pornography. The Christian-oriented program would monitor Duggar’s internet usage and send reports to his wife. However, Duggar had bypassed Covenant Eyes by hiding the material on a hard drive that was not being monitored by the program, according to Faulkner.

Anna Duggar appears to refuse to prioritize her children over Josh Duggar and makes up stories to justify his actions such as Joe Biden is behind it all.

Julie Roys did a great podcast discussing Understanding the Duggar “Cult” It is well worth the listen if you would like to learn more about the beliefs of this “cult” to which the Duggars belong. I know that Anna has been raised in this group which tells her to have as many children *as God wants them to have.* However, being forced to have sex with her husband when she is most fertile and never being allowed to use birth control will guarantee that there will be lots of children unless there is something wrong with her internal plumbing. Josh’s sister, Jill, is now using birth control and only has two children. 

Anna is stuck in her system of belief that prioritizes Josh Duggar over the safety of their children. Since she must continue to has sex with the leader of her family, she has to come up with something that releases her from the priority she must have to keep her children safe. And that she has allegedly done. According to some outlets, including The Sun: Josh Duggar’s wife Anna is ‘in denial and at WAR with in-laws Jim Bob & Michelle’ after husband’s child porn arrest.

She appears to be partly blaming his parents which is at least believable.

The 32-year-old – who is expecting the couple’s seventh child – is said to be standing by Josh and has cut herself off from most of the family after he was busted in Arkansas late last month

…Jim Bob said she blames him and wife Michelle for Josh’s arrest.Anna feels it all stems from how they dealt with his previous molestation scandal after he assaulted his sisters.”

She also apparently believes that Joe Biden is behind Josh’s arrest and that this would not have happened if Donald Trump was president.

(Folks, please do not go off into a political rant.)

They added: “She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration.”She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he’s done anything wrong.”

It is my hope that someone in this group of Duggars will understand how serious the proof against Josh is. His children are at risk and Anna appears to be in denial.

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Anna Duggar thinks Joe Biden Set Up Josh Duggar To Be Charged With Possessing Sexually Abusive Material on Children As Young As 18 Months Old — 70 Comments

  1. “They added: “She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration.”She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he’s done anything wrong.”
    It is my hope that someone in this group of Duggars will understand how serious the proof against Josh is. His children are at risk and Anna appears to be in denial.”

    OTOH, I’m not sure whether to believe a 2nd-hand account from the Sr. Duggars, either. But those POOR children!! The entire family needs some serious help.

  2. Meg:
    Wasn’t the original search that came up with theEvidence done while trump was president?

    You are attempting to apply logic which is a fatal mistake when it involves the Duggrs! 🙂

  3. Meg,

    You are correct in the sense that the gentleman predator’s crimes cover the years of several US administrations, both sides of the aisle. Kinda debunks that conspiracy theory, of the wife.

    Timeline, going back to 2002, so roughly 20 years, of public record, in any case: (There are quite a few of these timelines out there. This is actually old news or a long haul.)

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/05/28/timeline-josh-duggar-19-kids-and-counting-tlc-sex-abuse-scandal/28066229/

  4. Ava Aaronson,

    Truth yes. So things definitely happened pre biden that are RED FLAGS . But even the child porn investigation predates biden.

    But the alternative must be intolerable to Anna

  5. “His children are at risk and Anna appears to be in denial.”

    Her children, too. This wife and mom seems to be following in the footsteps of her MIL, not protecting her children while protecting the predator.

    There is a plethora of scientific (behavior) studies of the wives of predators and how they deal with predation in regard to their children. Some moms out there are real heroes. Then there are moms who are not so much, heroic, that is, in which case it will be up to the children to escape some day.

    Some Duggar children of the 19+, as this post mentions, have already escaped to higher ground for raising their own children. Good for them! God bless them (not referring to the 19+ Duggar’s god, though).

  6. There are a few super hero types on social media who pretend to be the gentleman scholar yet believe the stupidest things. They also take no responsibility when they guess wrong. Which is usually all the time. In my opinion the Duggar parents hawked their kids for money and fame, now their cant be anything wrong with that because they made money. Making money, no matter how, is always justified. If I learned on thing at church I learned that.

  7. Meg,

    The Department of Homeland Security raided Josh Duggar’s used car dealership in November 2019. Joe Biden wasn’t sworn in until January 20, 2021. So yes, you would be correct. Although it appears Duggar’s troubles date back long before the previous administration took office.

    One question I have, which has nothing to do with who was in office at what time: why did it take almost a year and a half between the raid and the filing of federal criminal charges?

  8. Meg: But the alternative must be intolerable to Anna

    I can (and have, in this situation) empathize with someone whose world is being turned completely upside-down on a multitude of levels… but for me, IF she legitimately believes her husband was set up by ANY presidential administration, that just smacks of good old-fashioned pride. As much as she may love him, Josh simply wouldn’t be worth the effort of a set-up. He’s not that important to anyone outside of his own family.

    But she’s probably right that the situation likely would have turned out differently if Jim Bob and Michelle had handled things differently. “When he [Jesus] saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd” (Mathew 9:36). The Duggars may think they’re following the Shepherd, but they’re discovering the limits of legalism just like the ancient Israelites before them.

    Anna may be harassed at the moment, but she doesn’t have to be helpless.

    Unlike her children, who actually ARE!

  9. dee: You are attempting to apply logic which is a fatal mistake when it involves . . . .

    . . . . any form of brainwashing be it political, religious, conspiracy, or otherwise.

  10. Dee wrote:
    “It is my hope that someone in this group of Duggars will understand how serious the proof against Josh is. His children are at risk and Anna appears to be in denial.”
    The Duggar and their ilk attempt to create an alternate reality field around themselves. They swim in it but are incredulous when not everyone else participates in their pool party. Anna is about to discover their field has limits and that is not going to be pretty.

  11. singleman: One question I have, which has nothing to do with who was in office at what time: why did it take almost a year and a half between the raid and the filing of federal criminal charges?

    What I’ve read elsewhere (primarily at Free Jinger) indicates that it takes a long time for the agencies involved to do the painstaking work of uncovering, gathering, assembling, and preparing the evidence before charges are brought. I’ve also read that the Feds have a very high conviction rate – I think 96% if you include those who plead guilty, and part of that is the time they take getting all their ducks in a row.

    Is The Sun reputable? I’ve read rumors about Anna blaming the arrest on the Biden administration, but not from anyplace wholly trustworthy. I hadn’t heard any of the rest of it.

    The whole thing just makes my heart sick for all the innocent children involved, from the victims of the abuse, to his (probably very confused and scared) kids, to all the younger siblings and nieces and nephews.

  12. Anna Duggar is supposed to believe:

    “They added: “She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration.”She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he’s done anything wrong.”

    Not that Anna Duggar would pay attention to me, but I would gently point out to her that the search warrant was issued during the last administration and probably most of the legwork to set up the indictment was done during the last administration. It’s kind of like that awful guy Jeffrey Epstein and his “friend” Ghislaine Maxwell, all the arresting and indicting took place during the last administration.

    Prosecuting child sexual abuse material (CSAM) knows no political boundaries. It is completely horrible and I can’t imagine a U.S. Attorney even *thinking* of the political implications of letting off a person caught with some of the vilest CSAM known, not these days. (Yes, I am acutely aware of the agreement that Epstein made in 2008 with the US Attorney in Florida. The political blowback forced that guy to resign from his Cabinet post.) Anna Duggar is living in a fantasy world, trying to deny what’s in front of her face.

    I feel terrible for the children.

  13. singleman: One question I have, which has nothing to do with who was in office at what time: why did it take almost a year and a half between the raid and the filing of federal criminal charges?

    Because the Feds play (indict) to win. They don’t like taking iffy cases to court. US Attorneys have conviction rates in the 90+ percent range. And to get the case together and in a position that an arrest warrant can be issued, they want to dot every i and cross every t. This takes time. You also have to remember that everything has been turned upside down for the last year due to COVID, and cases have been backlogged as a result.

    It is *rare* that a assistant US attorney loses a case. I actually was sitting in a federal courtroom as an observer when a assistant US attorney lost a case against one guy and it was quite a shocker. The other guy was convicted on a federal misdemeanor, but he was the small fish compared to the first guy.

  14. Meg:
    Wasn’t the original search that came up with theEvidence done while trump was president?

    Maybe she’s trying to say that she expected Trump to cover it up, since that was kind of how he operated.

  15. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes,

    Yup, exactly right. I watched about half of a long-form YouTube video today about the Josh Duggar hearing (by Emily D Baker – ‘Lawyer Reacts’) and listening to that it was very apparent that they did a *lot* of legwork to put a solid case together. It’s not just about proving that the data was on the computer – it’s about showing that he was the one using this computer, accessing these files, lining timestamps up, showing that the same password (with his birthday embedded) was used for this computer as well as various other accounts, etc. Plus they had to do it with covid restrictions, which slowed down the operations of courts and such.

    https://youtu.be/MMBbm2W_TDI

  16. brian,

    “There are a few super hero types on social media who pretend to be the gentleman scholar yet believe the stupidest things.”
    ++++++++++++++++

    i believe they would call that faith. well, really, it’s faith in faith itself.

    i reserve the right to have boundaries for my faith — i mean, we have to stay grounded somehow.

    my boundaries of what is ethical/moral, and what is common sense.

    and if it’s stupid, i immediately hit the eject button. well, sometimes i press it several times in a row as fast as i can to activate the boosters to give it a royal send-off.

    as if God is going to cross my name out of the lamb’s book of life for maintaining my own integrity.

  17. Folks..the good news is that josh will likely be behind bars until his children grow up….no matter what anna thinks about the situation. The law will protect her kids even if anna wont!!!!

  18. Denial is a powerful defense mechanism, and defense mechanisms are emotional “shock absorbers.” They keep us from being overwhelmed by the power of a difficult moment. From that point, denial hopefully gives way to acceptance and we learn how to deal with the shock (faith, family, friends, therapy). On the other hand, if we get “stuck” in denial the possibility of becoming neurotic is very real.

  19. singleman,

    The feds are notorious for taking ages in the investigation stage, because they want to bring slam-dunks. I’m just going from memory here but I believe they have a 90%+ conviction rate, compared to <75% for counties/states.

  20. brian: Making money, no matter how, is always justified. If I learned on thing at church I learned that.

    It would probably be very difficult for everyone involved to call into question the idea that visible prosperity is a mark of Divine approval. That concept is very widespread in the churches in our day. It underlies the drive for “scale” that has led to the megachurches.

    Weep for a culture that loses sight of the distinction between “what is” and “what ought to be.”

  21. “She also apparently believes that Joe Biden is behind Josh’s arrest and that this would not have happened if Donald Trump was president.”

    Yet another reason why female believers should be set free in Christ and let out of the house to think for themselves. Everything is filtered in their lives through a patriarchal system which tells them what they should know and how to think. Neither Biden nor Trump nailed Josh … Big Brother didn’t go after him because of his political views or religion … he destroyed himself.

  22. Abigail,

    He has a good lawyer. I always worry about these things until it happens. I hope you are right. Being behind bars will be the best protection for the kids since Anna doesn’t seem to be concerned about their safety.

  23. Abigail: The law will protect her kids even if anna wont!!!!

    I dunno …… those kids have lived in the same house with their pedophile daddy all their young lives. What if it is already too late for one, or two, or three of them????

  24. Anna Duggar is SO Winsome and Submissive.
    A domestic animal (and ovulating womb) With Benefits(TM).

    Except for the short-eyes mentality, Josh is no different from some ghetto baby-daddy bragging how he’s had 100 kids.

  25. Max: “She also apparently believes that Joe Biden is behind Josh’s arrest and that this would not have happened if Donald Trump was president.”

    Of course.
    She’s CHRISTIAN(TM).
    “Every knee shall bow,
    Every tongue confess,
    Donald Trump is LOOOOOOOORD!”

  26. readingalong: It is my hope that someone in this group of Duggars will understand how serious the proof against Josh is. His children are at risk and Anna appears to be in denial.”

    Don’t bother.
    The Dwarfs are for The Dwarfs, and Won’t Be Taken In.

  27. Wild Honey: As much as she may love him, Josh simply wouldn’t be worth the effort of a set-up. He’s not that important to anyone outside of his own family.

    Does anyone remember the Spiritual Warfare Activist (Larson?) who humble-bragged that SATAN had singled him out for special attention/demonic attacks?

  28. Sigh. Where to begin when you live in the same geographical region, which is its own form of lala land.

    First, the Duggars and Anna are of course free to continue to love and stand by Josh. But in actually doing that they should be leading the aggressive charge to see this man in a secure facility for the longest possible time. Personally I would like to see him get the full maximum sentences, no time off for good behavior, and to run concurrently. And when he is released I would like to see him in a secure facility (mental health type) for the rest of his natural life. This isn’t something he even can control, most likely, so blaming him or anyone else is futile. We live in a fallen world with folks of broken brains and sometimes “stuff” happens. (We need to admit that as a society and deal with it appropriately to protect the victims of those with broken brains. But our legal system is set up to protect the one with the broken brain.) Within that framework of understanding him as “broken beyond repair” they can love and care for him. I would not care if the older ones visited him daily while he is behind bars, but he should never have access to media or children again. Nuff said.

    Now to the more bizarre. In a twisted sense this likely would NOT be happening to Josh if Trump were prez in that as known GOP ultra conservative politicos, the Duggars would expect a pardon to make this all go away. Not that DT would want to touch this case if they appealed to him, what with his own friendship with Epstein, but in their political and church world “good men” who “make mistakes” have an expectation that is often fulfilled that the powers that be will make it go away. So Anna, understandably hormonal due to pregnancy and stressed beyond all imagination has a reason to think the way she does.

    And as the realtors say, location location location. I live in a county with well under 15% of our people vaccinated, and the virus still freely circulating. So while I am vaxxed I will likely be in an n95 for months or years when out and about. I don’t want the anti science crowd to make me into a breakthrough infection, and am at risk. And most of my county believes every weird conspiracy theory out there re the vaccines.

    There is a dirty little secret in some parts of our country’s poverty pockets as to WHY they are so dead set anti science and fall for young earth, for conspiracy theories, and for anything antigovernmental rules and regulations. That is because since at least the 1930’s govt. reps have come into parts of the Ozarks and Appalachia and taught the dangers of incestual conception. And if you, or your parent, or your grandparent, or your sibling are a result of incest it feels like they are telling you to your face you should not exist. If you from birth onward believe the government of the United States wants to eliminate you and people like you, you will reject everything they say.

    The attitude spreads until it infects simple things like pre pandemic hygiene so you get public schools doing student laundry. They reject govt advice on diet, on mental health, on health and wellness, and often on even farming techniques. It isn’t ignorance. It is willful rejection of everything science says because science says incestual conception is wrong. Even the local school superintendent once told me parents and schools here are “not big on math and science.”

    So within that culture what Josh first did would be seen as dirty, or wrong, but not a big deal. Snicker and wink, not prosecute or get tied up in knots over. Same with his second offense cluster. (Ashley Madison and the rape allegation also.) Snicker and wink, boys will be boys, and if Anna couldn’t hold onto her man she must not be much of a woman. Now the thought will be “what’s the big deal its just dirty pictures. Not like he touched a kid.” (And that same though process would excuse touching as long as he did not have intercourse with the kid. At least not until the kid was 13 or so.)

    Times are changing slowly in those areas. Trump set things back decades as they saw him as on their side. (No need to fight the Dem vs GOP war. Trump was atypical GOP. Let it go.) So of course Anna would expect that if there were still someone in office that would understand how they view things Josh would be at home today. He might.

    Biden wants to follow the science on covid, on global warming, and on a host of things. And THAT is enough mean he is in cahoots or conspiring against Josh.

    Hard to wrap your head around. But the American South, and border states, especially the mountain regions, are most certainly in need of missionaries be they educational, medical, or spiritual.

  29. Max: . Everything is filtered in their lives through a patriarchal system which tells them what they should know and how to think.

    I have some strong and serious doubts about the way girls are “educated” in the patriarchal/quiverful/homeschool environment, too. What do the the girls need to know beyond cooking, cleaning, and childbirth? Even if Anna has a high IQ and some common sense, what exposure has she had to the real world?

    I’m almost certain that Anna’s education, or lack thereof, has an influence on her attitude and what and how she believes.

  30. If JD had not been caught, and the situation had continued (the porn viewing), Anna might had been in danger of losing her children. We had a situation with some of my relatives a few years ago regarding something occurring in the home of a sexual nature (I’ll spare you the details), and both parents were arrested for not protecting their young children. The kids were also in foster care for two years. The authorities really do take this stuff seriously, although they obviously are never able to stay on top of all of it.

  31. Read between the lines.

    Anna probably is blaming the Duggar parents for not dealing with Josh differently.
    But how do we know Anna feels the way that the “insider” claims she does?

    Is the “insider” one of the Duggar parents? Are they worried that Anna might finally turn on them? Are they trying to discredit Anna by making her sound crazy so no one will believe her if she starts talking about them? Is Anna or the parents more likely to have more access to media contacts?

    Are women labeled as crazy to stop people from taking them seriously?

    We are all very worried about the safety of the children. So Anna if you are reading this, please know that you do have options for getting out of there. Please just ask for help.

  32. Headless Unicorn Guy: Does anyone remember the Spiritual Warfare Activist (Larson?) who humble-bragged that SATAN had singled him out for special attention/demonic attacks?

    He’s still around. He’s another blight on the Phoenix landscape but he’s not around much since he takes his exorcism show on the road.

    HUG, do you remember how polite and FCC-compliant Larson’s “demons” were? They never cussed and they’d stay on hold for the exorcism to continue through the station break!

  33. Nancy2(aka Kevlar): I have some strong and serious doubts about the way girls are “educated” in the patriarchal/quiverful/homeschool environment, too.

    My daughter had a friend in college who was raised in that environment. She had a very limited worldview. To make matters worse, her father wouldn’t let her date or marry anyone who wasn’t a 5-Point Calvinist. So he found her one. I’ve often wondered how that turned out for the poor girl.

  34. Well, just saw this article. I guess the concern I expressed on the last Josh Duggar article was spot on. I don’t know that Anna can protect her children.

    If this is Anna’s belief, then she isn’t going to worry about Josh being alone with his children.

    The family needs third party involvement that isn’t their family for visits of any kind.

  35. Linn: The authorities really do take this stuff seriously, although they obviously are never able to stay on top of all of it.

    I believe the authorities are only looking at the surface on child abuse in America. The hidden hell that children go through runs much deeper than the cases they see. God will judge America for this … perhaps, He already is. The millstones are stacked high in eternity, awaiting the necks of offenders who abuse the little ones.

  36. President Biden may come across as a bit creepy, but I’m not sure he knows how to turn on a computer, much less send kiddo porn over the internet to an unwilling customer.

    She’s going to lose her children. Or they will abandon Christianity altogether once they get older.

  37. Max: I believe the authorities are only looking at the surface on child abuse in America.

    If the authorities will even look that far………
    I am a former secondary ed. math teacher. Knowing that something bad is being done to our children and getting legal entities to investigate are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
    At one school I taught at, teachers worked in teams of 5, with the same students placed in the same classes and rotating with the same teacher teams. We knew, beyond any doubt, that we had at least 2 students who were being sexually abused, one of them violently, on a regular basis. We knew one other student was being beaten. But, no “hard” evidence: no investigation. At another school, a senior boy was beating his sophomore girlfriend. Everyone knew it; three teachers (myself included) saw him hit her with his fist on 2 different occasions. Both students lied about it to the sheriff……… case dismissed.

  38. Max: To make matters worse, her father wouldn’t let her date or marry anyone who wasn’t a 5-Point Calvinist. So he found her one. I’ve often wondered how that turned out for the poor girl.

    Ask Sansa Stark re House Bolton.

  39. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: HUG, do you remember how polite and FCC-compliant Larson’s “demons” were? They never cussed and they’d stay on hold for the exorcism to continue through the station break!

    Like they were his Familiar Spirits or something, bound to obey their summoner/sorcerer.

    I have had 2 1/2 paranormal encounters in my life. The most memorable in 1980 (“The Fullerton Freakout”)fits the description of a demonic encounter in that whatever was involved on the other side of the Veil was non-physical and rabidly HOSTILE. Other than that, it wouldn’t make the formulaic Christianese Spiritual Warfare checklist. At no time was there any physical manifestation; everything was through emotional-feed mind games. And whatever-it-was screwed its own pooch by over-reacting in rage and attacking with what can only be described as “A Fear Spell”. If it hadn’t blown its cover like that, it would have been able to continue what it was doing “under the radar”.

    At least 15 years later I was able to adapt that experience into a Stalking the Night Fantastic FRP game scenario. (STF’s game premise was “Men In Black/Government-Sanctioned Ghostbusters”).

  40. Linn: If JD had not been caught, and the situation had continued (the porn viewing), Anna might had been in danger of losing her children.

    Regarding “porn viewing”, last night my roomie told me that eBay had changed its policy regarding hentai manga (Japanese porn comics) on its site. The change was that any excerpts/interior previews shown on the site had to be PG. The reason was a lot of hentai otaku (fanboys of that sort of thing) were searching the site without buying anything, using the free previews for fap material.

    This needs to get into a South Park episode, but nobody would believe it.

  41. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: “They added: “She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration.”She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he’s done anything wrong.”

    You won’t believe what I heard about a Pizza Parlor in the Phoenix area!

  42. singleman: One question I have, which has nothing to do with who was in office at what time: why did it take almost a year and a half between the raid and the filing of federal criminal charges?

    Have you ever been in line at the Post Office? LOL

  43. Nancy2(aka Kevlar): a senior boy was beating his sophomore girlfriend … lied about it to the sheriff……… case dismissed.

    His Daddy must have been someone prominent in the community … perhaps a deacon at the Baptist church.

  44. Headless Unicorn Guy: Josh is no different from some ghetto baby-daddy bragging how he’s had 100 kids.

    Actually, the “ghetto” dads fathering numbers of children just may be quite different from this Duggar who has paraphilia issues & enjoys the worst kinds of child porn, which is not only criminal but also cruel.

    sadist: a person who derives pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain or humiliation on others, in this case children, even very small children.

    Sick. Evil.

  45. Mark R: they will abandon Christianity altogether once they get older

    I have a feeling that a great multitude of children raised in the Christian patriarchy movement run as fast as they can, as soon as they can, as far as they can from Daddy’s religion. It’s just too darn oppressive to raise your own children in. Unfortunately, finding a place for them to fit in mainline Christianity is difficult these days considering the poor spiritual condition of the American church.

    God, give us a new breed of Christian leaders who have a heart for You, rather than the movements and theologies of mere men.

  46. Max: I have a feeling that a great multitude of children raised in the Christian patriarchy movement run as fast as they can, as soon as they can, as far as they can from Daddy’s religion.It’s just too darn oppressive to raise your own children in.Unfortunately, finding a place for them to fit in mainline Christianity is difficult these days considering the poor spiritual condition of the American church.

    God, give us a new breed of Christian leaders who have a heart for You, rather than the movements and theologies of mere men.

    I know someone raised in ATI who got out when he became an adult. Last time I talked to him he was attending a fairly liberal SBC church. And the church I attended which had all the ATI members (most of whom left, I only saw one family from there the last time I visited over a decade ago) has now gone Founders/9Marks.

  47. Max: I have a feeling that a great multitude of children raised in the Christian patriarchy movement run as fast as they can, as soon as they can, as far as they can from Daddy’s religion.

    “If our good theology keeps producing bad behavior, it’s not as good as we thought it was.” @mika_edmondson

  48. Max: I have a feeling that a great multitude of children raised in the Christian patriarchy movement run as fast as they can, as soon as they can, as far as they can from Daddy’s religion.

    Watching my kids grow up and their friends and we walking away from such things, it really seems to be based on the personality of the kids. Girls who want simple lives stay around. (Simple answers to any and all questions.) Guys who want to be in charge with no basis for such stick around. And a few more traits that allow them to fit in. The ones who don’t have the proper traits for their gender walk away. And I know more than a trivial number of 25 to 35 year olds who were raised by “watch how these families do it right to produce proper kids” who now want nothing to do with their parents religion. Or religion at all. But inside the churches nothing has changed. Same messages, same results.

  49. Max: Christian patriarchy

    Jesus Christ came, died, rose, left His Holy Spirit to dwell among us, to set humanity free. “Christian patriarchy” seems like an oxymoron. A class system, servitude, oppression, inhumane relationships, superiority or supremacy, degradation, power – the wrong kind, bullying, which can facilitate abuse & even death.

    For some women, is it possible that the only way out of patriarchy (A class system, servitude, oppression, inhumane relationships, superiority or supremacy, degradation, power – the wrong kind, bullying, which can facilitate abuse & even death.) is to divorce and leave their church?

    In the US, marriage and church participation are voluntary. Would that adult women choose not to surrender their lives to patriarchy. For children growing up in patriarchy, may they find their way to our Savior, their way out of an ungodly and evil system.

  50. Ava Aaronson: “Christian patriarchy” seems like an oxymoron

    Christian patriarchy is a religious system which can work only where Jesus is not the Head of His Church … where men rule and Jesus has no authority. There is nothing Christian about it if Jesus’ authority and influence are absent. Just dropping the name of Jesus every once in awhile to appear credible doesn’t cut it in the Kingdom of God when folks don’t live as they ought.

  51. Let us look at the fruits of another high-intensity Complementarian Purity Culture and how it could relate to Josh Duggar: Saudi Arabia’s Wahabi Islamic Purity Culture, enforced by religious police with whips.

    1) Saudi men are said to be the biggest per capita consumers of pornography in the world. Anything Goes.

    2) When Saudi men go abroad and out of the reach of the Religious Police, they have a reputation for going completely CRAZY. Throwing themselves into Every Forbidden Fruit like there’s no tomorrow. (Remember Josh Duggar’s “What I’m Looking For” profile on Ashley Madison?)

    3) Corollary to (2). Saudi men are also said to be prone to Romantic Fantasies about foreign prostitutes. All-consuming Romantic Fantasy Crushes like a 12-year-old crushing on a girl in the schoolyard.

    The example of Josh Duggar (among many others) suggests that these are not specifically Islamic (or Christian), but the results (“fruits” in Christianese) of high-intensity Purity Culture.

  52. This sounds so bonkers that I fear it’s true.

    At what point will parts of the church start putting the welfare of children before that of paedophiles?

    The idea that love does no harm to its neighbour, but yet does this…How have family structures become more important than the wellbeing of the people -especially the children – within them?

  53. singleman,

    Here in AL, many of our court cases got delayed, and are still delayed, due to COVID. I know this to be a fact because my brother and nephew had pending sexual abuse charges on a youth pastor and they were delayed. There’s a huge backlog of all cases now.

  54. Muff Potter: You won’t believe what I heard about a Pizza Parlor in the Phoenix area!

    I heard about it too Muff.
    A secret child sex cult in tunnels and such underneath the pizza parlor, and it’s run by Michelle Obama!

  55. Aunt Polly: Muff Potter: You won’t believe what I heard about a Pizza Parlor in the Phoenix area!

    I heard about it too Muff.
    A secret child sex cult in tunnels and such underneath the pizza parlor, and it’s run by Michelle Obama!

    I think I can top that.
    Recently my writing partner told me the absolute WEIRDEST Conspiracy TRVTH he’s run across from True Believers:

    Hillary Clinton died 10 years ago from Kuru, caused by eating the brains of sacrificed babies for Immortality and Eternal Youth. (Apparently Adrenochrome wasn’t enough.) The “Hillary Clinton” of today is either a clone or a body double.

  56. While I have a feeling Josh will be found guilty of charges (because he likely IS guilty), I must admit that I’m bothered that The Wartburg Watch would ever reference The Sun which essentially is the British version of The National Enquirer. It greatly affects my perception of this page.

  57. Allison: It greatly affects my perception of this page.

    The inclusion of the Sun piece bothers me too, although the story was repeated in many places and is therefore topical.

    One problem with the Duggars is that there is never any way to get at truth, let alone responsibility. Everything flows out of control over their collective entertainment persona. For a long time a “Duggar insider” gave tidbits to People, but that person was never identified. The source might have been one or more Actual Duggars, a figment of a reporter’s imagination, or something else.

  58. Part of this is on Josh’s father who didn’t get him the help he needed when he was a preteen/teen.

  59. Brian,

    It certainly is, but it’s also about that entire culture. Who brought that & kept that in the family? I don’t know what the background of the Duggar parents is, but Josh’s Dad did what that culture does, & almost said out loud that the molestation problem was not limited to their family.

  60. This is the cult of Christian nationalism at its worst. She is in desperate need of deprogramming (or dee-progamming? Lol).

  61. As much as I dislike Biden, I would be cheering if he personally caused the arrest. I don’t care if Charles Manson posthumously arranged for the arrest. Who cares who instigated the arrest! If Josh hadn’t downloaded child sex abuse images, there would have been no arrest. There is one person to blame and that is Josh – period!