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		<title>By: Junkster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Junkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flash Forward comes on ABC and has several people who used to be in the cast of Lost. (Not playing the same characters, just some of the same actors.) It&#039;s about an event that caused the entire planet to back out at the same time for a couple of minutes, during which time they all had a vision of the same moment in time several months into the future. The main characters are FBI agents searching for the cause and how to prevent it from happening again. (It&#039;s evident some people did it on purpose, but not who or why.) Interesting premise. Might not make a lot of sense to jump into it without seeing it from the start.

Stargate:Universe is way darker than the previous series -- probably an attempt to cash in on the popularity of Battlestar Galictica (the new series), which was also dark. But Start Trek tried that, too, with Deep Space Nine, and it just never worked as well as their usual formula. I&#039;m giving SG:U a chance but hope they move it forward soon. The last couple of episodes have been better. You&#039;re right, they definitely need an O&#039;Neil. It&#039;s hard to care about any of the major chacacters so far as they have been mostly jerks. That is intended to intensify conflict, but you gotta have at least one  hero to look up to in a series.

I know more about scifi than real science. I can&#039;t tell you how a rocket works, but I can talk about warp drive theory. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flash Forward comes on ABC and has several people who used to be in the cast of Lost. (Not playing the same characters, just some of the same actors.) It&#8217;s about an event that caused the entire planet to back out at the same time for a couple of minutes, during which time they all had a vision of the same moment in time several months into the future. The main characters are FBI agents searching for the cause and how to prevent it from happening again. (It&#8217;s evident some people did it on purpose, but not who or why.) Interesting premise. Might not make a lot of sense to jump into it without seeing it from the start.</p>
<p>Stargate:Universe is way darker than the previous series &#8212; probably an attempt to cash in on the popularity of Battlestar Galictica (the new series), which was also dark. But Start Trek tried that, too, with Deep Space Nine, and it just never worked as well as their usual formula. I&#8217;m giving SG:U a chance but hope they move it forward soon. The last couple of episodes have been better. You&#8217;re right, they definitely need an O&#8217;Neil. It&#8217;s hard to care about any of the major chacacters so far as they have been mostly jerks. That is intended to intensify conflict, but you gotta have at least one  hero to look up to in a series.</p>
<p>I know more about scifi than real science. I can&#8217;t tell you how a rocket works, but I can talk about warp drive theory. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Junkster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Junkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;the tyrany of sin has been broken&quot; means that, before regeneration, a person can&#039;t help but sin (they are &quot;not able not to sin&quot;), but afterwards they have the power (by the indwelling Holy Spirit) to overcome sin and chose not to do it (able not to sin). It doesn&#039;t mean we don&#039;t sin, or that we sin less than others, just that we don&#039;t have to. And we should expect that, over time, as the Spirit continues His work of sanctification, we will sin less than we used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;the tyrany of sin has been broken&#8221; means that, before regeneration, a person can&#8217;t help but sin (they are &#8220;not able not to sin&#8221;), but afterwards they have the power (by the indwelling Holy Spirit) to overcome sin and chose not to do it (able not to sin). It doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t sin, or that we sin less than others, just that we don&#8217;t have to. And we should expect that, over time, as the Spirit continues His work of sanctification, we will sin less than we used to.</p>
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		<title>By: dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Junkster,
I have never seen Flash Forward. Is it on the Sy Fy channel? I need to catch up on V. I have watched it in the past and haven&#039;t yet watched this new series. Heard it is pretty good. I think Stargate U has finally picked up after a slow start. I am having trouble getting into some of the characters. I very much enjoyed the characters in the first two Stargate series.They definitely need an O&#039;Neil character in the Universe one.

I am a geek by adoption. I am not particularly good a science, math and computers. However, I have many geek friends. I like their sense of humor-kinda like yours!! I just did a talk at church on understanding scientists. I called it an Oprah look at the science world. I am very concerned about the view of science that Christians who are outside the sciences hold. My church is made up of a bunch of professors and scientists from UNC-Chapel Hill. I think some of the nonscientists are both intimidated and suspicious of scientists having been told by folks like Ken Ham that they are all (except for his small group)Biblical compromisers and deniers. Nothing could be further from the truth for many Christian scientists.After my talk, a well-known medical researcher came up and thanked me for my explanation for nonscientists.

I used to date a bunch of scientists types. One day, during church, a scientist friend sent me the following poem. I laughed so hard I interrupted the speaker. &quot;She is the fairest of her sex and I would be her hero.My love for her is like 1/x as x approaches 0!&quot;

Blessings and long live geeks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junkster,<br />
I have never seen Flash Forward. Is it on the Sy Fy channel? I need to catch up on V. I have watched it in the past and haven&#8217;t yet watched this new series. Heard it is pretty good. I think Stargate U has finally picked up after a slow start. I am having trouble getting into some of the characters. I very much enjoyed the characters in the first two Stargate series.They definitely need an O&#8217;Neil character in the Universe one.</p>
<p>I am a geek by adoption. I am not particularly good a science, math and computers. However, I have many geek friends. I like their sense of humor-kinda like yours!! I just did a talk at church on understanding scientists. I called it an Oprah look at the science world. I am very concerned about the view of science that Christians who are outside the sciences hold. My church is made up of a bunch of professors and scientists from UNC-Chapel Hill. I think some of the nonscientists are both intimidated and suspicious of scientists having been told by folks like Ken Ham that they are all (except for his small group)Biblical compromisers and deniers. Nothing could be further from the truth for many Christian scientists.After my talk, a well-known medical researcher came up and thanked me for my explanation for nonscientists.</p>
<p>I used to date a bunch of scientists types. One day, during church, a scientist friend sent me the following poem. I laughed so hard I interrupted the speaker. &#8220;She is the fairest of her sex and I would be her hero.My love for her is like 1/x as x approaches 0!&#8221;</p>
<p>Blessings and long live geeks!</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Junkster

I had never seen those categories in that way before. Thanks. I have a question. What do you think it means be &quot;the tyranny of sin has been broken for believers?&quot; Both, in myself, and others I see the daily struggle with sin. In fact the longer I am a Christian, the more aware I am of my sin. I know Jesus has forgiven me and that His righteousness is imputed to me, but, unfortunately, I do not see less sin in Christians. However, I do see a wish to sin less. Thoughts??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junkster</p>
<p>I had never seen those categories in that way before. Thanks. I have a question. What do you think it means be &#8220;the tyranny of sin has been broken for believers?&#8221; Both, in myself, and others I see the daily struggle with sin. In fact the longer I am a Christian, the more aware I am of my sin. I know Jesus has forgiven me and that His righteousness is imputed to me, but, unfortunately, I do not see less sin in Christians. However, I do see a wish to sin less. Thoughts??</p>
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		<title>By: Junkster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Junkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I sin, and I don&#039;t think anyone else is choosing it for me... unless I want to go with Flip Wilson theology (&quot;The devil made me do it!&quot;).

I like the categories that Augustine used:

&lt;i&gt;Posse peccare&lt;/i&gt; – able to sin
Before the Fall, Adam had not sinned yet but was able to sin.

&lt;i&gt;Non posse non peccare&lt;/i&gt; – not able not to sin
After the Fall, Adam (and everyone) was unable to break free from sin.

&lt;i&gt;Posse non peccare&lt;/i&gt; – able not to sin
After regeneration, the tyranny of sin has been broken for believers

&lt;i&gt;Non posse peccare&lt;/i&gt; – not able to sin
In our final glorified state in God&#039;s presence, believers will not be able to fall back into sin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I sin, and I don&#8217;t think anyone else is choosing it for me&#8230; unless I want to go with Flip Wilson theology (&#8220;The devil made me do it!&#8221;).</p>
<p>I like the categories that Augustine used:</p>
<p><i>Posse peccare</i> – able to sin<br />
Before the Fall, Adam had not sinned yet but was able to sin.</p>
<p><i>Non posse non peccare</i> – not able not to sin<br />
After the Fall, Adam (and everyone) was unable to break free from sin.</p>
<p><i>Posse non peccare</i> – able not to sin<br />
After regeneration, the tyranny of sin has been broken for believers</p>
<p><i>Non posse peccare</i> – not able to sin<br />
In our final glorified state in God&#8217;s presence, believers will not be able to fall back into sin</p>
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		<title>By: Junkster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Junkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info. I&#039;ve always wonder if anyone but me thought about these things.

It sounds like the premises (premesii??) of &quot;Wil&#039;s Bones&quot; and &quot;A Skeleton in God&#039;s Closet&quot; are similar. Let me know what you think of &quot;Skeleton&quot; after you read it. I read it a long time ago and can&#039;t really remember whether the writing is all that good or bad, but I enjoyed the questions it raised and how people deal with intellectual challenges to their faith.

Yes, I never miss Fringe. Love it. And Lost, V, Flash Forward, Stargate Universe, and Dr. Who. Gee, I watch too much TV. And I&#039;m quite the geek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info. I&#8217;ve always wonder if anyone but me thought about these things.</p>
<p>It sounds like the premises (premesii??) of &#8220;Wil&#8217;s Bones&#8221; and &#8220;A Skeleton in God&#8217;s Closet&#8221; are similar. Let me know what you think of &#8220;Skeleton&#8221; after you read it. I read it a long time ago and can&#8217;t really remember whether the writing is all that good or bad, but I enjoyed the questions it raised and how people deal with intellectual challenges to their faith.</p>
<p>Yes, I never miss Fringe. Love it. And Lost, V, Flash Forward, Stargate Universe, and Dr. Who. Gee, I watch too much TV. And I&#8217;m quite the geek.</p>
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		<title>By: dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear it! I need a stroke every now and then:)</description>
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		<title>By: dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is the thinking process now a demonstration of our own will? Actually, I think (therefore am now guilty of doing things under my own will, arghhhhh) you point is well taken. Who put these instincts in us anywho?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is the thinking process now a demonstration of our own will? Actually, I think (therefore am now guilty of doing things under my own will, arghhhhh) you point is well taken. Who put these instincts in us anywho?</p>
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		<title>By: dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there you go again, messing things up for those of us who are concrete thinkers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there you go again, messing things up for those of us who are concrete thinkers!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yep, the Reformed crowd is going to really believe I am not one of the elect now!&quot;

Not all of us. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yep, the Reformed crowd is going to really believe I am not one of the elect now!&#8221;</p>
<p>Not all of us. <img src='http://thewartburgwatch.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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