I did not say he was the devil. I said that he could have handled this better. In fact, he could have handled this in a countercultural way.

Tullian would tell you that our church should not BE seduced by the “cool” trappings of Madison Ave. advertising. We should BE countercultural and not using what trends the world is following.

There was a small dissenting MINORITY that went and formed their own church who didn’t act with Chrislike humility.

He advocates that churches should offer something THE world doesn’t offer.

Sorry I’m hungry, tired and blogs like yall’s make me lose my appetitie. Because of folks like yourself I can see why people lose their appetite for the church to begin with.

OK let me rephrase it in my opinion, I think God wanted change.

I know he is “cool” to many young minds full of mush but he has been quite the authoritarian. And that is not how the Body operates.

My response to that would be to read the chapter in his book titled “Seduced by Cool.” Tullian would tell you that our church should not seduced by the “cool” trappings of Madison Ave. advertising. We should countercultural and not using what trends the world is following.

I can only imagine what could be happening at Coral Ridge if TRUE humility had been exercised (not just on Tullian’s part, but everyone’s).

I think alot of humility was exercised by most. There was a small dissenting majority that went and formed their own church who didn’t act with Chrislike humility. D. James Kennedy’s daughter, Jennifer was the head of that group. She was handing out anti-Tullian leaflets on people’s cars and in person at the door that her father took instructions from God to build and plant. Hmmm..don’t see much humility there. Sounds more like humiliation to me. I talked to a secretary that said she had to ask Jennifer to leave because she was being disruptive and driving new members away.

I think He wants us to love one another, to treat each other with love and understanding, far more than He wants a new church coffee bar.

Who said that Tullian wanted a new church coffee bar???? In fact in his book Unfashionable he actually criticizes such things. There’s a church here in town that has its own restaurant for crying out loud. He criticized churches that try to match what the world has to offer to stay “relevant.” He advocates that churches should offer something world doesn’t offer. Something countercultural. Something peculiarly refreshing that the world can’t offer all the time…the love of Jesus. BTW what would a worker at a coffee bar at a Calvinist church be called? A Calvinista Barista? Just checking. Smile folks. Tullian’s not the little devil yall make him out to be!!!! Have a good day! My advice, check your facts out before you spew lies on the internet. May God Bless you folks.

You must tune in on Thursday. Did you know that theWall Street Journal did a cover story on the problems with the new, hip pastors? It was not at all flattering. I intend to to review it.

I am not sure that you understand how insensitive change can cause great pain. let me give you a current example. The USA permits freedom of religion. So, a mosque is about to be built at Ground Zero. It is legal but is it good, kind, sensitive etc.? Of course not.

TWWs intent is to begin to delve into church conflict and try to offer suggestions that can make transition easier. The new authoritarian pastors, my way of the highway, cause far too much pain. There are better ways to do things and we would like to see people being more concerned about the process than the end result.

God is far more concerned about how we treat one another and how much we love one another than how cool the music is or how hip the pastor is. Do we sacrifice relationships for programs? I fear I see far too much of that.

So, Change, can you think of a way that this situation can have been averted or at least minimized? That is the key.

Finally, be very careful about proclaiming what God wants. I think He wants us to love one another, to treat each other with love and understanding, far more than He wants a new church coffee bar.

You said, “God wanted change. That’s why things changed there. Tullian didn’t create the change. God did.”

How do YOU know God wanted change? Did God tell you, personally? Just because it happened, God wanted it? Do you use that theology when someone leaves his wife? Well, it happened, so God must have wanted it. How about lying pastors who kick out of their church those who reveal their lies? Did God want that because it happened?

Have a just a little humility and at least say, “In my opinion, I think God wanted change.”

So basically you are saying that only Tullian knows what God wants. And you are saying that Tullian is only changing what God wants changed. So, only he knows. He is your high priest and not Jesus Christ.

The thing that bothers me is that Tullian’s response to all of this has been very UNChristlike and quite authoritarian. I know he is “cool” to many young minds full of mush but he has been quite the authoritarian. And that is not how the Body operates.

And that would be the point of this blog: Following men instead of Christ.